SSD vs HDD in terms of lifespan

[ddaarreell123]

Hello guys! I know that SSD has a limit on their cells versus on HDD that has wearing platter. I just wanna know on SSD owners that should i buy a SSD over HDD? I just play games and using Adobe photoshop on my free time the save file will be save at the external HDD i just save games and application on SSD. I want a components that will last an almost a decade or less i research SSD they say that it will last a decade if i don't write a 40gb a day on it. By the way i will buy Samsung 850 evo as SSD i don't care about the speed i just care about the lifespan of what i buy

 

[J_E_D_70]

Have one in all three of my PCs and will never go back to platfers except for pics, docs, etc.

 

[junkeymonkey]

ya, that's how I'm looking at it maybe at best as like a platter raid -0- type use overall fast boot fast program loads ect.. but for long term storage and things like you state above platter and good back up's

 

[ddaarreell123]

bottom line is you can only use a flash memory so many times all they can do is even it out among all ic 's as evenly as possible to prevent premature ware of the individual banks

from the link above
''In reality, each flash chip can vary greatly in its native endurance capabilities. You cannot compile a bunch of flash chips, put them on a printed circuit board and begin the countdown to the theoretical end of life.

now its down to how well the firmware and controller optimizes this

I hope you don't mind brother. Today's technology of SSD has a security feature that secured the files even when the power is off like a HDD in terms of TBW i read somewhere they stressed test the samsung evo it can go on 700+ TB in terms of TBW. 75TB is just a standard value for its warranty.

Yes, probably read that here:
http://techreport.com/review/26058/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-data-retention-after-600tb

Do not stress over the TBW.
Buy it
Use it
Love it

that's about it .. read up check the facts not the hype then you buy , you try , and hope it don't make you cry

I just wanna try if something goes wrong with TBW i just disable the Pagefile some SSD owners have a hugh rise in TBW because of pagefile in just a matter of days

 

[ddaarreell123]

I have 16GB RAM. I just reduced the pagefile down to 1GB min/max, and left it on the SSD.
Just to save space on that 120GB.

Given sufficient RAM, the pagefile is rarely accessed. It will not impact the TBW in any real way.

Sad to know that i have a 4gb ram and no plan to upgrade it .. Do you think it is advisable to disable it ? or reduced its size given the low memory?

Leave it as default. It will NOT harm anything.
What size drive are you considering?

120gb samsung 850 evo bro. Are you sure i am using RAM intesive games and apps, can i have i link on what program you are using to determine the TBW and power on hours

CrystalDiskInfo
This is that 4 year old drive:

LOL! thats almost more than 3 years that your SSD is turned on? Seriously? and it's on just its 99% health? very impressive .. I think i'll just research much more on other issues on TBW then i will settle on buying a SSD. But i have more confidence with the info you provided me thanks by the way

 

[USAFRet]

I just wanna try if something goes wrong with TBW i just disable the Pagefile some SSD owners have a hugh rise in TBW because of pagefile in just a matter of days

I've never seen that. All of my systems here have an SSD as the boot drive, and all have the pagefile still living on the SSD.

You have a link to some of these reports?
I've seen people here panicking about "2TB writes in 3 days!! OH noes! My drive is gonna die next week!"

No, that 2TB is simply because you just set up a new system, and are still installing all your junk.

SSD's are not as fragile as all these 'reports' say.
Misuse, poor configuration, etc, etc.
Now...if you have a single 64GB drive, and use it as a repository for your 500,000 hits per day SQL server...then you may have an issue.
Or, if you fill it up to 98.5%, then you will have an issue.

Games and image processing? Not a problem.

 

[USAFRet]

LOL! thats almost more than 3 years that your SSD is turned on? Seriously? and it's on just its 99% health? very impressive .. I think i'll just research much more on other issues on TBW then i will settle on buying a SSD. But i have more confidence with the info you provided me thanks by the way

Seriously. That's what it is.
Now, up to 33,410 hours, in the couple of hours we've been discussing this...
Run of the mill Kingston HyperX 3k 120GB. 1 of 4 SSD's in this system.

 

[junkeymonkey]

that data fade may be the most concerning thing in the end sounds to me like you got to keep the drives under power at all times or else

that sucks . so you right back to good old platter once again

I don't see ssd much better then a platter raid 0 overall

 

[USAFRet]

that data fade may be the most concerning thing in the end sounds to me like you got to keep the drives under power at all times or else

that sucks . so you right back to good old platter once again

I don't see ssd much better then a platter raid 0 overall

After multiple power off vacations, I've never lost any data.
Debunked: Your SSD won't lose data if left unplugged after all
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2925173/debunked-your-ssd-wont-lose-data-if-left-unplugged-after-all.html

As far as speed, an SSD will kick platter RAID 0 to the curb.

 

[ddaarreell123]

I just wanna try if something goes wrong with TBW i just disable the Pagefile some SSD owners have a hugh rise in TBW because of pagefile in just a matter of days

I've never seen that. All of my systems here have an SSD as the boot drive, and all have the pagefile still living on the SSD.

You have a link to some of these reports?
I've seen people here panicking about "2TB writes in 3 days!! OH noes! My drive is gonna die next week!"

No, that 2TB is simply because you just set up a new system, and are still installing all your junk.

SSD's are not as fragile as all these 'reports' say.
Misuse, poor configuration, etc, etc.
Now...if you have a single 64GB drive, and use it as a repository for your 500,000 hits per day SQL server...then you may have an issue.
Or, if you fill it up to 98.5%, then you will have an issue.

Games and image processing? Not a problem.

OH?! I see you have other SSD that had pagefile on with full size right? no tweaking? just the default "Automatically manage paging file size"? And no other HDD with it right? .. Ok it's set now i will buy a SSD now! I think you're right no need to panick with high TBW at the first week of it, well i read some of it here too they panicked a lot and i rely in their experience so i have a little doubt on it. But i analyze it there is some reasons behind it. And your idea is legit no need to panic on just a 1 week with just 1TB if it got 2TB in just a week again which i highly doubt then there is surely a problem. Thanks bro you help me with that idea, I'll just keep in touch with this thread to inform all about my progress I just want this thread to be a guide on paranoid or have a OCD like me in terms of practicality and worry about lifespan to give their money a worth. Thanks to you it helps me a lot! Godbless

 

[junkeymonkey]

see your back to hype speed ?? more to storage then just speed

''After multiple power off vacations, I've never lost any data.
Debunked: Your SSD won't lose data if left unplugged after all
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2925173/debunked-your-ss...''

well seems 2 sides to that story thing is with a ;platter drive its not any concern at all unless the drive just fails you article don't cover long term and a lot on temperatures. not long term no power and really don't say anything conclusive the ic' may well take just days or may take months or unpowered a year from now ? where that all at ?? [why a mother board has a battery for the bios chip, right ??

well likes anything you buy it you use it as best it can as said just keep regular backups in case one of them is wrong on your drive

all there is to it is store the drive with data on it and a year latter hook it up and see whrer it stands ?/ maybe all good maybe blank ?? who knows until the time comes ?

 

[ddaarreell123]

see your back to hype speed ?? more to storage then just speed

''After multiple power off vacations, I've never lost any data.
Debunked: Your SSD won't lose data if left unplugged after all
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2925173/debunked-your-ss...''

well seems 2 sides to that story thing is with a ;platter drive its not any concern at all unless the drive just fails you article don't cover long term and a lot on temperatures. not long term no power and really don't say anything conclusive the ic' may well take just days or may take months or unpowered a year from now ? where that all at ?? [why a mother board has a battery for the bios chip, right ??

well likes anything you buy it you use it as best it can as said just keep regular backups in case one of them is wrong on your drive

all there is to it is store the drive with data on it and a year latter hook it up and see whrer it stands ?/ maybe all good maybe blank ?? who knows until the time comes ?

I just care about lifespan bro not the data on it. I will eventually will buy another drive which is a HDD for my backups

 

[USAFRet]

see your back to hype speed ?? more to storage then just speed

''After multiple power off vacations, I've never lost any data.
Debunked: Your SSD won't lose data if left unplugged after all
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2925173/debunked-your-ss...''

well seems 2 sides to that story thing is with a ;platter drive its not any concern at all unless the drive just fails you article don't cover long term and a lot on temperatures. not long term no power and really don't say anything conclusive the ic' may well take just days or may take months or unpowered a year from now ? where that all at ?? [why a mother board has a battery for the bios chip, right ??

well likes anything you buy it you use it as best it can as said just keep regular backups in case on of them is wrong on your drive

Yes, backups are 100% important. SSD or HDD.
A mix of drives is quite beneficial.

My main PC is almost all SSD.
My HTPC is almost all HDD.

Both have their benefits and drawbacks.
HDD in the HTPC, because a 2+TB movie collection doesn't work well with an SSD...$$$. And a movie doesn't play any faster if it lives on an SSD.
SSD in my main PC, for a lot of graphics work.
OS on the SSD in both systems.

Neither type of drive is a 100% solution for everything.

 

[Rogue Leader]

see your back to hype speed ?? more to storage then just speed

''After multiple power off vacations, I've never lost any data.
Debunked: Your SSD won't lose data if left unplugged after all
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2925173/debunked-your-ss...''

well seems 2 sides to that story thing is with a ;platter drive its not any concern at all unless the drive just fails you article don't cover long term and a lot on temperatures. not long term no power and really don't say anything conclusive the ic' may well take just days or may take months or unpowered a year from now ? where that all at ?? [why a mother board has a battery for the bios chip, right ??

well likes anything you buy it you use it as best it can as said just keep regular backups in case one of them is wrong on your drive

all there is to it is store the drive with data on it and a year latter hook it up and see whrer it stands ?/ maybe all good maybe blank ?? who knows until the time comes ?

It won't go blank, I can 100% guarantee you.

Source: I actually own a 6 year old 64GB PNY SSD that hasn't been hooked up to a PC for about 4 years. Its been sitting at the bottom of a file cabinet drawer.

I plugged it in last week, every last bit of data that was on it is still there.

 

[ddaarreell123]

see your back to hype speed ?? more to storage then just speed

''After multiple power off vacations, I've never lost any data.
Debunked: Your SSD won't lose data if left unplugged after all
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2925173/debunked-your-ss...''

well seems 2 sides to that story thing is with a ;platter drive its not any concern at all unless the drive just fails you article don't cover long term and a lot on temperatures. not long term no power and really don't say anything conclusive the ic' may well take just days or may take months or unpowered a year from now ? where that all at ?? [why a mother board has a battery for the bios chip, right ??

well likes anything you buy it you use it as best it can as said just keep regular backups in case one of them is wrong on your drive

all there is to it is store the drive with data on it and a year latter hook it up and see whrer it stands ?/ maybe all good maybe blank ?? who knows until the time comes ?

It won't go blank, I can 100% guarantee you.

Source: I actually own a 6 year old 64GB PNY SSD that hasn't been hooked up to a PC for about 4 years. Its been sitting at the bottom of a file cabinet drawer.

I plugged it in last week, every last bit of data that was on it is still there.

Woah! That's good to know bro! Very informative Thanks

 

[junkeymonkey]

''I can 100% guarantee you.'' no you cant the manufactures cant lol......

I'm going to get one to use regardless , cause all I go by in the end is what I see and experience for my self here at home anyway . the rest I take with a grain of salt

everything has its good and bad and its a live and learn thing and what you know better next time .. maybe great then may just stink ?

like I say you buy you try then draw your own conclusions in the end

good luck

 

[Rogue Leader]

''I can 100% guarantee you.'' no you cant the manufactures cant lol......

I'm going to get one to use regardless , cause all I go by in the end is what I see and experience for my self here at home anyway . the rest I take with a grain of salt

everything has its good and bad and its a live and learn thing and what you know better next time .. maybe great then may just stink ?

like I say you buy you try then draw your own conclusions in the end

good luck

If you want to nitpick I will go with 99%. SSDs are not volatile in any way and have never proven to be volatile.

There is no reason to ever be concerned about losing data when storing an SSD as there is no evidence in any way that the data disappears off it.

 

[junkeymonkey]

and none saying it don't my article says it may his says not may not like here it says it can ?

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/205382-ssds-can-lose-data-in-as-little-as-7-days-without-power

thing is just be prepared if any of it holds true or not like any storage ''keep a regular back up'' or if you pull the drive do a dang for sure back up

data loss on flash memory is why you got a battery on the motherboard to keep the bios flash memory fresh and clean , right ???

 

[ddaarreell123]

''I can 100% guarantee you.'' no you cant the manufactures cant lol......

I'm going to get one to use regardless , cause all I go by in the end is what I see and experience for my self here at home anyway . the rest I take with a grain of salt

everything has its good and bad and its a live and learn thing and what you know better next time .. maybe great then may just stink ?

like I say you buy you try then draw your own conclusions in the end

good luck

''I can 100% guarantee you.'' no you cant the manufactures cant lol......

I'm going to get one to use regardless , cause all I go by in the end is what I see and experience for my self here at home anyway . the rest I take with a grain of salt

everything has its good and bad and its a live and learn thing and what you know better next time .. maybe great then may just stink ?

like I say you buy you try then draw your own conclusions in the end

good luck

If you want to nitpick I will go with 99%. SSDs are not volatile in any way and have never proven to be volatile.

There is no reason to ever be concerned about losing data when storing an SSD as there is no evidence in any way that the data disappears off it.

Bro samsung is not a douchebag to give a 10 year warranty if their product sucks i mean that it can lose data, premature wear and tear etc. I am basing my logic with the warranty per se, not some random conspiracy theories, i also read somewhere about the rumored volatility of the SSD many rely on 2012-2014 info so they prove it wrong by experimenting it they put all data in the SSD and hide it safely after many years the data is still intact with the SSD . SSD tech is greatly improved my concern is the lifespan of it versus HDD no more no less.

 

[junkeymonkey]

never said they sucked but they do have there shortcommings and a bit over hyped that's all if I caught on at a good price I would tend to add to cart .

thing is there not the only option as said theres good and bad between them all you got to find the overall balance in a complete useful for your needs unit

''This way 'fading' data can be caught early, refreshed during low IO periods and thus PS3110 controller based drives will almost never suffer the same fate as Samsung 840 Evo drives''

so theres a Samsung short coming for example , right if you were to choose that drive ?? more to it then just speed i'll take a bit slower drive for maybe better firmware or controller features


oh that's right fading is a myth lol.....

 

[Rogue Leader]

So you completely ignore the already posted article debunking the completely incorrect article you posted

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2925173/debunked-your-ssd-wont-lose-data-if-left-unplugged-after-all.html

BIOS flash memory and the flash memory used on an SSD are two completely different things.

Like I said I have a 6 year old, cheap SSD that has been fine after sitting around for 4 years.

Believe what you would like but please stop spreading misinformation on this forum.

 

[ddaarreell123]

So you completely ignore the already posted article debunking the completely incorrect article you posted

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2925173/debunked-your-ssd-wont-lose-data-if-left-unplugged-after-all.html

BIOS flash memory and the flash memory used on an SSD are two completely different things.

Like I said I have a 6 year old, cheap SSD that has been fine after sitting around for 4 years.

Believe what you would like but please stop spreading misinformation on this forum.

I believe too he is basing his opinions about SSD on old technology. Samsung 850 evo is way beyond advance compared to 840 evo, That's why he is always saying negative about it because he base on old technology. He don't realized that the technology on SSD advanced so much

 

[Rogue Leader]

The SSD I mentioned is very old tech (older than the 840 evo) and as I said, works fine.

 

[junkeymonkey]

''I believe too he is basing his opinions about SSD on old technology.'' ??? whats new ??? tlc over mlc, slc ?? controller firmware [you expect that from any of them anyway ] ?? not much ..

thing there was that issue with a Samsung but now find how it was corrected in there say 850 ??

http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/downloads/document/Samsung_SSD_850_EVO_Data_Sheet_Rev_3_1.pdf

nothing on it there ?

or like here
. What exact changes there are between the MEX and MGX controllers isn’t being shared but it’s likely the same triple-core ARM design as the MEX controller with subtle differences. We do know that the MGX controller still offers the same great features such as TurboWrite, TRIM and garbage collection support, as well as AES 256-bit encryption as well as TCG/Opal V2.0.
Read more at http://www.legitreviews.com/samsung-850-evo-series-ssd-review_154548/2#AiBUI3vwQ3RMvuT2.99

notice all you lok at for a Samsung nothing is stated on that fade issue [sweeped under the rug ?? ]

and to what you said above its still all flash memory and requires power that's all there is to that

''Interestingly, Samsung is not making claims as to how many terabytes of data can be written before the drives will expire and instead has simply backed them with a five-year warranty'

don't forget that don't warrant your data just there hardware

like I say you got to read between the lines and past the hype

''This way 'fading' data can be caught early, refreshed during low IO periods and thus PS3110 controller based drives will almost never suffer the same fate as Samsung 840 Evo drives. ''

ya as you said that's a older drive but then don't you think if that was fully corrected Samsung would promote that in there newer drives but not a word on it ?? seems like a good selling point to be made if so ?? hmmmmm...... and then why '' isn’t being shared but it’s likely the same triple-core ARM design '' ??? hmmmm....

anyway buy what you want for you cause that's the best policy in the end

[not trying to say any one is the best but just to point out there maybe more then speed and warrantee that can be a consideration to look over ]
if samsune is what your hung up on then go for it its all about personal preferences and user experiences or what YOU feel is best for YOU seems your mind is all ready made up no matter whats said or pointed out

good luck

 

[ddaarreell123]

see your back to hype speed ?? more to storage then just speed

''After multiple power off vacations, I've never lost any data.
Debunked: Your SSD won't lose data if left unplugged after all
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2925173/debunked-your-ss...''

well seems 2 sides to that story thing is with a ;platter drive its not any concern at all unless the drive just fails you article don't cover long term and a lot on temperatures. not long term no power and really don't say anything conclusive the ic' may well take just days or may take months or unpowered a year from now ? where that all at ?? [why a mother board has a battery for the bios chip, right ??

well likes anything you buy it you use it as best it can as said just keep regular backups in case one of them is wrong on your drive

all there is to it is store the drive with data on it and a year latter hook it up and see whrer it stands ?/ maybe all good maybe blank ?? who knows until the time comes ?

It won't go blank, I can 100% guarantee you.

Source: I actually own a 6 year old 64GB PNY SSD that hasn't been hooked up to a PC for about 4 years. Its been sitting at the bottom of a file cabinet drawer.

I plugged it in last week, every last bit of data that was on it is still there.

Sadly my G41 LGA775 board doesn't support TRIM and AHCI.. So i will go for a HDD

 

[junkeymonkey]

hmm.. I thought that was os/ firmware not hardware like your chipset ??

http://lifehacker.com/5640971/check-if-trim-is-enabled-for-your-solid-state-drive-in-windows-7

if you got win 7 or above you should be fine unless that chipset don't support ahci

I assume like said here ?

ASUS P5G41C-M LGA 775 Intel G41 HDMI Micro ATX Intel Motherboard with fast shipping and ... If you want to use an SSD with this board DO NOT BUY. “The bios is not able to support AHCI which you need to turn on for TRIM support.

or like from here ??

''TRIM is non-specific to either SATA controller mode, and will work equally well in both IDE and AHCI-mode. Benchmark Reviews will soon publish a detailed report that illustrates the recovery levels for each SSD controller tested here.''

http://www.overclock.net/t/747658/trim-works-in-ide-mode

can you link some info on your board on that issue ??

see what I mean how things are blurred and you got to red between the lines on anything not just go by hype

I would like to know what you found on your board