Question SSD

[anjris]

Hi,

I am planning to Buy a SSD and my motherboard have M.2 slot.

I have MSI Z390 A PRO motherboard.

Please suggest which one i can go for as per below points

1. M.2 SSD or M.2 Nvme (i searched Nvme is lot faster than M.2 SSD)

2. SSD with heatsink or without heatsink

I need SSD for high end gaming

Thank you

 

[PC Tailor]

M.2 SSD or M.2 Nvme (i searched Nvme is lot faster than M.2 SSD)

Just remember NMVe is an SSD. It's just it's NVMe interface. It's SATA vs PCIe bus.

Depends in what way and what you want. In benchmarks and in theory, yes NVMe is significantly faster because it uses the PCIe bus rather than a SATA bus however in real world application there is little difference when it comes to load up times etc.

If your referring to faster boot up, faster load times of games etc. Then you'll notice less than 1 second difference between an NVMe and SATA SSD. Data transfer is different, but that tends to only become significant if you are constantly moving large data.

2. SSD with heatsink or without heatsink

Depends on if you need one with your current temperatures really! If you need more effective heat dissapation, a heat sink is useful.

I need SSD for high end gaming

What exactly are you hoping to gain from it exactly?
I still run plenty of games on a HDD. (and an SSD too).

 

[anjris]

What exactly are you hoping to gain from it exactly?
I still run plenty of games on a HDD. (and an SSD too).

Currently, I am having WD green SSD 120 GB for my AAA games.

Is that work fine or do i need to upgrade it?

 

[PC Tailor]

Again depends what you want.
If you're hoping an SSD will improve you in game performance, it likely won't make much difference.

SSDs excel at improving load times, this can be useful in games loading large areas, but from one SSD to the next, it'll be pretty negligible difference in most application.

Do you currently have any problems with your current one?

 

[anjris]

Do you currently have any problems with your current one?

yes, when i am downloading the game from internet and it will get around 5MB/s speed.

In the task manager i see that my SSD Disk is 100% utilised. is that normal?

 

[PC Tailor]

yes, when i am downloading the game from internet and it will get around 5MB/s speed.

In the task manager i see that my SSD Disk is 100% utilised. is that normal?

Yes that's normal, an NVMe may help with that, but only during the download and the load of the game itself, not necessarily in game.

Also it will be capped by your internet speeds regardless as to what drive you use and also how full the drive is (fuller drives are typically slower)

The SSD you have is SATA based so technically capped at 6 Gb p/sec. The Green can sometimes be a bit lower. Don't get me wrong, a good quality NVMe can definitely help with those kind of elements, I just wanted to clarify why you wanted it, as you will find that in most situations outside of data transfer, it won't make a noticeable difference.

 

[anjris]

Yes that's normal, an NVMe may help with that, but only during the download and the load of the game itself, not necessarily in game.

Also it will be capped by your internet speeds regardless as to what drive you use and also how full the drive is (fuller drives are typically slower)

The SSD you have is SATA based so technically capped at 6 Gb p/sec. The Green can sometimes be a bit lower. Don't get me wrong, a good quality NVMe can definitely help with those kind of elements, I just wanted to clarify why you wanted it, as you will find that in most situations outside of data transfer, it won't make a noticeable difference.

I see that during the downloading of games my pc will get slow sometimes not always.

I suspect it's a SSD issue 100% disk utilisation.

Do you think the same?

 

[anjris]

i won't be able to even do right click for refresh. and it get resumed by after 3 -4 secs.

 

[anjris]

My Pc specs are i5 8600K
16Gb ram
Z390 A PRO motherboard
RTX 2080 Gaming trio

 

[PC Tailor]

I see that during the downloading of games my pc will get slow sometimes not always.

I suspect it's a SSD issue 100% disk utilisation.

Do you think the same?

Yes that will easily cause slow downs.
How full is the drive?
Have you checked its health using HD Sentinel?

You could consider something like:

PCPartPicker Part List

Motherboard: MSI Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($0.00)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $94.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-28 07:52 EDT-0400

 

[anjris]

Yes that will easily cause slow downs.
How full is the drive?
Have you checked its health using HD Sentinel?

yes, my drive is 86GB full out of 111 GB and 25 GB is free

I am using 120GB ssd WD green m.2.

 

[anjris]

You could consider something like:

PCPartPicker Part List

Motherboard: MSI Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($0.00)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $94.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-28 07:52 EDT-0400

Are you suggesting me to buy Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ Amazon)

is that Good? will it resolve the problem what i am facing?

And i guess Nvme is not worth just for 1 sec noticable difference. right?

i guess its better to buy M.2 Sata SSD.

Because i am looking for some other brand than intel.

 

[anjris]

i guess its better to buy M.2 Sata SSD.

its cheaper as well from Nvme SSD and mostly has same performance. Right?

 

[PC Tailor]

Are you suggesting me to buy Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ Amazon)

is that Good? will it resolve the problem what i am facing?

And i guess Nvme is not worth just for 1 sec noticable difference. right?

i guess its better to buy M.2 Sata SSD.

Because i am looking for some other brand than intel.

Why not intel?

Can I guarantee it will fix your problem? No.
Well an M.2 SATA SSD is no different to a normal 2.5 SATA SSD, just no cables.

As i said, it just depends on what you want, if you want faster load times, then the difference between NVMe and SATA is negligible. That's why many would just recommend you get whichever is cheaper.

How full is your current SSD? Do you also have latest drivers installed?

 

[anjris]

Why not intel?

Can I guarantee it will fix your problem? No.
Well an M.2 SATA SSD is no different to a normal 2.5 SATA SSD, just no cables.

As i said, it just depends on what you want, if you want faster load times, then the difference between NVMe and SATA is negligible. That's why many would just recommend you get whichever is cheaper.

How full is your current SSD? Do you also have latest drivers installed?

yes, my drive is 86GB full out of 111 GB and 25 GB is free

I am using 120GB ssd WD green m.2.

 

[anjris]

Why not intel?

Can I guarantee it will fix your problem? No.
Well an M.2 SATA SSD is no different to a normal 2.5 SATA SSD, just no cables.

As i said, it just depends on what you want, if you want faster load times, then the difference between NVMe and SATA is negligible. That's why many would just recommend you get whichever is cheaper.

How full is your current SSD? Do you also have latest drivers installed?

what do you suggest to over come my problem as i stated above?

 

[PC Tailor]

Well this goes back to my earlier points. What is your internet speed?
I am giving you the best idea, there is no one answer here i could give you because ultimately i am not at your machine, ultimately just saying upgrading to an NVMe could help solve your bandwidth problem.

 

[anjris]

Well this goes back to my earlier points. What is your internet speed?
I am giving you the best idea, there is no one answer here i could give you because ultimately i am not at your machine, ultimately just saying upgrading to an NVMe could help solve your bandwidth problem.

My internet connection is 100Mbps. but usually i will get around 60Mbps during downloading of the game.

 

[anjris]

Yes that's normal, an NVMe may help with that, but only during the download and the load of the game itself, not necessarily in game.

Also it will be capped by your internet speeds regardless as to what drive you use and also how full the drive is (fuller drives are typically slower)

The SSD you have is SATA based so technically capped at 6 Gb p/sec. The Green can sometimes be a bit lower. Don't get me wrong, a good quality NVMe can definitely help with those kind of elements, I just wanted to clarify why you wanted it, as you will find that in most situations outside of data transfer, it won't make a noticeable difference.

As you said that it will be capped by your internet speeds regardless as to what drive you use

how come it is possible. i will get around 5MBps speed during downloading the game and my SSD can write upto 500MBps .

can you please explain how internet connection can be a capped for this issue.

Thank you

 

[PC Tailor]

Well I needed to get an understanding, because obviously if your internet is limited to 5MB then the download rate will obviously never be higher than that.

An SSD with greater bandwidth may well help as NVMe will excel at reducing download times as it is large data transfer.

 

[anjris]

Well I needed to get an understanding, because obviously if your internet is limited to 5MB then the download rate will obviously never be higher than that.

An SSD with greater bandwidth may well help as NVMe will excel at reducing download times as it is large data transfer.

How it can be

My ssd has already large data transfer rate than internet connection.

Which is 520MBPS

And internet connection is 5MBPS

Not sure how you are telling that greater bandwidth ssd will help here

My ssd is already has greater bandwidth than internet connection

 

[PC Tailor]

How it can be

My ssd has already large data transfer rate than internet connection.

Which is 520MBPS

And internet connection is 5MBPS

Not sure how you are telling that greater bandwidth ssd will help here

My ssd is already has greater bandwidth than internet connection

I'm not saying your internet is throttling the SSD I'm saying the internet can throttle the download rate.
The SSD will speed up the installation, not the download.

This is why my original point was saying be wary before you jump into buying a new SSD. Thus why my initial recommendation wasn't to jump straight in to buying a new SSD. But if your SSD usage is at 100% when data is transferring, then higher bandwidth can help.

When I was speaking of internet, i was referring to the "My internet connection is 100Mbps." element.

 

[anjris]

I'm not saying your internet is throttling the SSD I'm saying the internet can throttle the download rate.
The SSD will speed up the installation, not the download.

This is why my original point was saying be wary before you jump into buying a new SSD. Thus why my initial recommendation wasn't to jump straight in to buying a new SSD. But if your SSD usage is at 100% when data is transferring, then higher bandwidth can help.

When I was speaking of internet, i was referring to the "My internet connection is 100Mbps." element.

Again my ssd usage is 100% during the downloading time from internet. It means i have higher write rate on ssd than the internet speed

Not when i am transferring data.

So how could higher bandwidth will help here

 

[PC Tailor]

I think I've not been clear in my points, to which I apologise my friend. And I fear that it made us sidetrack.

Ultimately, you have a lower quality SSD currently in your system, that also does not have any DRAM, which rapidly slows down any transfer of data. This would also explain your 100% utilisation, because your OS is waiting for the data to be found and then transferred without onboard DRAM. Tie that in with a drive being pretty full, and you have lots of data that needs to be located and transferred, without onboard DRAM.

https://imgur.com/a/qVGP35I

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Upgrading to a good quality SSD like the one I suggested would help. Because actual data location and transfer will improve. Ultimately your 120GB will also fill up rapidly, which may not be the most appropriate for AAA gaming.

Overall, downloading IS transferring data, it's transferring internet files into your storage, so the speed of data transfer matters in that respect.

But my point remains that an NVMe doesn't improve load up times or FPS for example, but does improve data transfer (in many cases), if that isn't your priority, just get a SATA bus SSD, 2.5 or M2, makes no difference, but a good quality one.

 

[dudeman509]

Steam often flogs drives when downloading games. I see it with SSDs on my laptops, I see it with my RAIDed platter drives.

It's sounding like your SSD is the bottleneck in this situation, but I'm not sure how much of an improvement moving to another SSD might be. I suspect there would be a significant improvement, as you're running low on free space and 120GB SSDs often have quite slow random write performance.

Avoid ANY SSD that doesn't have a RAM or SLC buffer.