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Forgive me if I am incorrect in some trivial issue, but as a fan of both
Stargate SG-1 and the video game series Halo... I noticed/invented some
interesting similarities in terms of story/technology.

So, bypassing the obvious "omfg da stargat an halo r both raund" statement,
there is an interesting similarity between the Ancients and the Forerunners,
of SG1 and Halo respectively. Both are long-disappeared, technologically
advanced species, who left countless technological marvels that the enemy
(Goa'uld and Covenant of SG1 and Halo respectively) has adapted into using
with their own technology.

The Spartan warriors are genetically enhanced super-solders created by the
Humans to attempt to ensure victory. They are armed with above-average
strength and reflexes, and are given a powerful armor with an energy shield
to protect him. Anibus' super-solders are genetically engineered
super-solders to attempt to ensure victory. They are armed with
above-average strength and aim, and are given a powerful armor with
wrist-mounted weapons and energy shield.

Anibus Solider: http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s7/graphics/711_06.jpg
Spartan Warrior: http://nikon.bungie.org/screenshots/msxbox.031301/h5.jpg

Slight similarity in concept and tech, if not twins in armor shape?

In the episode Death Knell of SG1, a Tok'ra weapon, the Transphase
Eradication Rod (T.E.R.) is modified for use against the super-solider, to
break through the energy shield. See
http://www.lightspeedfineart.com/images/TER2.jpg for a side shot, and
http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s7/graphics/716_42.jpg for an in-use shot, or
http://www.cswu.cz/sg-1/technologie/images/terdr.jpg for a nice artist's
sketch.

In Halo, a chief Covenant weapon is the Plasma Rifle, seen
http://www.the-junkyard.net/images/halo/weapons/plasmarifle_large.jpg . It
is a plasma-based weapon, and fires like
http://www.the-junkyard.net/images/halo/prifle2.jpg . Compare second shot to
second shot of Plasma Rife to the second of the TER. Not only is the basic
shape, design, and way one holds it similar, but even the weapon fire in use
is very similar in consistency and color.

Is it possible that one sci-fi continuity was influenced by the other, or is
this merely coincidence?

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DeepThought wrote:

> Forgive me if I am incorrect in some trivial issue, but as a fan of both
> Stargate SG-1 and the video game series Halo... I noticed/invented some
> interesting similarities in terms of story/technology.

> So, bypassing the obvious "omfg da stargat an halo r both raund"
> statement, there is an interesting similarity between the Ancients and
> the Forerunners, of SG1 and Halo respectively. Both are long-disappeared,
> technologically advanced species, who left countless technological
> marvels that the enemy (Goa'uld and Covenant of SG1 and Halo
> respectively) has adapted into using with their own technology.

> The Spartan warriors are genetically enhanced super-solders created by
> the Humans to attempt to ensure victory. They are armed with
> above-average strength and reflexes, and are given a powerful armor with
> an energy shield to protect him. Anibus' super-solders are genetically
> engineered super-solders to attempt to ensure victory. They are armed
> with above-average strength and aim, and are given a powerful armor with
> wrist-mounted weapons and energy shield.

Your observations of the similarities is nothing new to Hollywood.
After all, just how many different ways are there to tell a story without
stepping on some ground some other movie or show hasn't already introduced?
As we saw with STNG, many of the episodes were rewritten from the original
star trek shows.
And if you looked hard enough, you could probably find a dozen movies that
stargate has ripped off stuff from.
Since stargate got involved with contacting other intelligent beings, it was
obvious that somewhere along the way the "Roswell" forms would wind up in it
somehow.
And in "Crystal skull"? A rip off from Indianna Jones.
 
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"DeepThought" <deep_42_thought@hotmailEARTH.com> wrote in message news:<EVDmc.23811$L8.4916@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>...
> Forgive me if I am incorrect in some trivial issue, but as a fan of both
> Stargate SG-1 and the video game series Halo... I noticed/invented some
> interesting similarities in terms of story/technology.
>
> So, bypassing the obvious "omfg da stargat an halo r both raund" statement,
> there is an interesting similarity between the Ancients and the Forerunners,
> of SG1 and Halo respectively. Both are long-disappeared, technologically
> advanced species, who left countless technological marvels that the enemy
> (Goa'uld and Covenant of SG1 and Halo respectively) has adapted into using
> with their own technology.
>
> The Spartan warriors are genetically enhanced super-solders created by the
> Humans to attempt to ensure victory. They are armed with above-average
> strength and reflexes, and are given a powerful armor with an energy shield
> to protect him. Anibus' super-solders are genetically engineered
> super-solders to attempt to ensure victory. They are armed with
> above-average strength and aim, and are given a powerful armor with
> wrist-mounted weapons and energy shield.
>
> Anibus Solider: http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s7/graphics/711_06.jpg
> Spartan Warrior: http://nikon.bungie.org/screenshots/msxbox.031301/h5.jpg
>
> Slight similarity in concept and tech, if not twins in armor shape?
>
> In the episode Death Knell of SG1, a Tok'ra weapon, the Transphase
> Eradication Rod (T.E.R.) is modified for use against the super-solider, to
> break through the energy shield. See
> http://www.lightspeedfineart.com/images/TER2.jpg for a side shot, and
> http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s7/graphics/716_42.jpg for an in-use shot, or
> http://www.cswu.cz/sg-1/technologie/images/terdr.jpg for a nice artist's
> sketch.
>
> In Halo, a chief Covenant weapon is the Plasma Rifle, seen
> http://www.the-junkyard.net/images/halo/weapons/plasmarifle_large.jpg . It
> is a plasma-based weapon, and fires like
> http://www.the-junkyard.net/images/halo/prifle2.jpg . Compare second shot to
> second shot of Plasma Rife to the second of the TER. Not only is the basic
> shape, design, and way one holds it similar, but even the weapon fire in use
> is very similar in consistency and color.
>
> Is it possible that one sci-fi continuity was influenced by the other, or is
> this merely coincidence?

Not to denigrate the excellent execution of these ideas in either SG-1
or Halo, but none of these are particular novel concepts. Hell, the
notion of an ancient far superior race goes back at least to Plato,
and probably farther. Most all of the technologies in either venue are
pretty established sci-fi tropes, so my money is on coincidence.

- Steve
 
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On 5/7/2004 12:04 AM DeepThought cranked up the brainbox and said:
> Is it possible that one sci-fi continuity was influenced by the other, or is
> this merely coincidence?

While all scifi is influenced by what has come before it, just as all art is
influenced by it's predecessors, in this case, Stargate isn't influenced by
Halo, as Stargate was already on the air for a significant time before Halo was
released. Halo is much more influenced by works such as Larry Niven's Ringworld
and other Known Space books, and such.

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DeepThought wrote:
>
> Forgive me if I am incorrect in some trivial issue, but as a fan of both
> Stargate SG-1 and the video game series Halo... I noticed/invented some
> interesting similarities in terms of story/technology.
>
> So, bypassing the obvious "omfg da stargat an halo r both raund" statement,
> there is an interesting similarity between the Ancients and the Forerunners,


I want to know who came up with these names. Did the Ancients really
call themselves "the Ancients," I kinda doubt it. Maybe they called
themselves "the Moderns" because at the time they were the only ones
with Stargates? Were there races calling themselves "Tthe Not So
Ancients," "The Guys Who Came Later," or "The Doods Not So Long Ago"?
 
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On 5/9/2004 12:21 PM Steve Christianson cranked up the brainbox and said:
> I want to know who came up with these names. Did the Ancients really
> call themselves "the Ancients," I kinda doubt it. Maybe they called
> themselves "the Moderns" because at the time they were the only ones
> with Stargates? Were there races calling themselves "Tthe Not So
> Ancients," "The Guys Who Came Later," or "The Doods Not So Long Ago"?

The ancient Egyptians didn't call themselves "ancient Egyptians". We do. So we
call the Ancients "the Ancients" because that's what they are to us, ancient.
Much like Bob Dole.

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Like they said there are basic guidelines to doing anything and they just
used things people are familiar with in sci-fi it's that simple wanna write
sci-fi get a guy get a girl get a some sort of life in dager planet,galaxy,
universe, etc. some serious tech get an alien race going after it and after
awhile you might finally think of plot or some type of backbone to tie
everything together thats it sci-fi, this explains similarity in most ways I
can get more detailed if you want.

"jesus X" <jesus_x@mozillanews.org> wrote in message
news:8aBnc.55455$sK3.52984@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
> On 5/9/2004 12:21 PM Steve Christianson cranked up the brainbox and said:
> > I want to know who came up with these names. Did the Ancients really
> > call themselves "the Ancients," I kinda doubt it. Maybe they called
> > themselves "the Moderns" because at the time they were the only ones
> > with Stargates? Were there races calling themselves "Tthe Not So
> > Ancients," "The Guys Who Came Later," or "The Doods Not So Long Ago"?
>
> The ancient Egyptians didn't call themselves "ancient Egyptians". We do.
So we
> call the Ancients "the Ancients" because that's what they are to us,
ancient.
> Much like Bob Dole.
>
> --
> jesus X [ Booze-fueled paragon of pointless cruelty and wanton sadism. ]
> email [ jesus_x @ mozillanews.org ]
> web [ http://www.mozillanews.org ]
> insult [ As usual, you've been a real pantload. ]
> warning [ Don't touch that! You might mutate your fingers. ]
 
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ash wrote:
>
> Like they said there are basic guidelines to doing anything and they just
> used things people are familiar with in sci-fi it's that simple wanna write
> sci-fi get a guy get a girl get a some sort of life in dager planet,galaxy,
> universe, etc. some serious tech get an alien race going after it and after
> awhile you might finally think of plot or some type of backbone to tie
> everything together thats it sci-fi, this explains similarity in most ways I
> can get more detailed if you want.


coold u dyagram that sentance ok bye


> "jesus X" <jesus_x@mozillanews.org> wrote in message
> news:8aBnc.55455$sK3.52984@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
> > On 5/9/2004 12:21 PM Steve Christianson cranked up the brainbox and said:
> > > I want to know who came up with these names. Did the Ancients really
> > > call themselves "the Ancients," I kinda doubt it. Maybe they called
> > > themselves "the Moderns" because at the time they were the only ones
> > > with Stargates? Were there races calling themselves "Tthe Not So
> > > Ancients," "The Guys Who Came Later," or "The Doods Not So Long Ago"?
> >
> > The ancient Egyptians didn't call themselves "ancient Egyptians". We do.
> So we
> > call the Ancients "the Ancients" because that's what they are to us,
> ancient.
> > Much like Bob Dole.


So the Stargate only opens for 18 minutes because that's as long as Bob
Dole can keep a stiffie?
 
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Characters
Things in Danger

usually a dou of a male and female this
has to be there for suspense and purpose
can also be group of people no more must
have a large populations and fredoms at risk
usually than 5

Tech

usually someway to travel between
points in space faster than light
weapons usually something made from
mostly randomly chosem particles and things such as
lasers and plasma most things taken from theoretical pys.

*note: the needler seems mostly original

Aliens

have a nice chat with a XenoBiologist or pick random demons from myths and
so on

Plot

Something that will eventually become neccessary with lists of motives and
and individual egos should at least be developed by the middle of the story
to keep people intrested in the story

Anything i missed??

Oh and this is basic space-journeying sci-fi there lesser for others
depending what type of sci-fi you working with.

"Steve Christianson" <stevechristians*n@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:409F669A.2D29@yahoo.com...
> X-No-Archive: yes
>
>
> ash wrote:
> >
> > Like they said there are basic guidelines to doing anything and they
just
> > used things people are familiar with in sci-fi it's that simple wanna
write
> > sci-fi get a guy get a girl get a some sort of life in dager
planet,galaxy,
> > universe, etc. some serious tech get an alien race going after it and
after
> > awhile you might finally think of plot or some type of backbone to tie
> > everything together thats it sci-fi, this explains similarity in most
ways I
> > can get more detailed if you want.
>
>
> coold u dyagram that sentance ok bye
>
>
> > "jesus X" <jesus_x@mozillanews.org> wrote in message
> > news:8aBnc.55455$sK3.52984@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
> > > On 5/9/2004 12:21 PM Steve Christianson cranked up the brainbox and
said:
> > > > I want to know who came up with these names. Did the Ancients really
> > > > call themselves "the Ancients," I kinda doubt it. Maybe they called
> > > > themselves "the Moderns" because at the time they were the only ones
> > > > with Stargates? Were there races calling themselves "Tthe Not So
> > > > Ancients," "The Guys Who Came Later," or "The Doods Not So Long
Ago"?
> > >
> > > The ancient Egyptians didn't call themselves "ancient Egyptians". We
do.
> > So we
> > > call the Ancients "the Ancients" because that's what they are to us,
> > ancient.
> > > Much like Bob Dole.
>
>
> So the Stargate only opens for 18 minutes because that's as long as Bob
> Dole can keep a stiffie?
 
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In article <c7fvvq01ff2@news4.newsguy.com>, "Richard" <Anonymous@127.001> wrote:
> DeepThought wrote:
>
> > Forgive me if I am incorrect in some trivial issue, but as a fan of both
> > Stargate SG-1 and the video game series Halo... I noticed/invented some
> > interesting similarities in terms of story/technology.
>
> > So, bypassing the obvious "omfg da stargat an halo r both raund"
> > statement, there is an interesting similarity between the Ancients and
> > the Forerunners, of SG1 and Halo respectively. Both are long-disappeared,
> > technologically advanced species, who left countless technological
> > marvels that the enemy (Goa'uld and Covenant of SG1 and Halo
> > respectively) has adapted into using with their own technology.
>
> > The Spartan warriors are genetically enhanced super-solders created by
> > the Humans to attempt to ensure victory. They are armed with
> > above-average strength and reflexes, and are given a powerful armor with
> > an energy shield to protect him. Anibus' super-solders are genetically
> > engineered super-solders to attempt to ensure victory. They are armed
> > with above-average strength and aim, and are given a powerful armor with
> > wrist-mounted weapons and energy shield.
>
>Your observations of the similarities is nothing new to Hollywood.
>After all, just how many different ways are there to tell a story without
>stepping on some ground some other movie or show hasn't already introduced?
>As we saw with STNG, many of the episodes were rewritten from the original
>star trek shows.
>And if you looked hard enough, you could probably find a dozen movies that
>stargate has ripped off stuff from.
>Since stargate got involved with contacting other intelligent beings, it was
>obvious that somewhere along the way the "Roswell" forms would wind up in it
>somehow.
>And in "Crystal skull"? A rip off from Indianna Jones.
>
>

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