Steam Early Access allows gamers to be more involved in the development process.
Steam Early Access Allows You to Play Titles in Development : Read more
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Not terribly exciting to pay $32.99 to play Arma a game unfinished. As for players suggesting changes or improvements. That formula is a failure. Why are developers so clueless about making games they need other people to tell them how they should make them.
Long gone are the days when brilliant minds made brilliant games that come from their heads. Now we just have democratic mediocrity.
Long gone are the days when brilliant minds made brilliant games that come from their heads. Now we just have democratic mediocrity.
[citation][nom]ms767210[/nom]Not terribly exciting to pay $32.99 to play Arma a game unfinished. As for players suggesting changes or improvements. That formula is a failure. Why are developers so clueless about making games they need other people to tell them how they should make them.Long gone are the days when brilliant minds made brilliant games that come from their heads. Now we just have democratic mediocrity.[/citation]
I'm pretty sure that 32.99 buys you the alpha, the Beta and the finished game. Not bad for $32.99
I'm pretty sure that 32.99 buys you the alpha, the Beta and the finished game. Not bad for $32.99
[citation][nom]ms767210[/nom]Not terribly exciting to pay $32.99 to play Arma a game unfinished. As for players suggesting changes or improvements. That formula is a failure. Why are developers so clueless about making games they need other people to tell them how they should make them.Long gone are the days when brilliant minds made brilliant games that come from their heads. Now we just have democratic mediocrity.[/citation]
of course it is unfinished. It's Alpha ...
of course it is unfinished. It's Alpha ...
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[citation][nom]ms767210[/nom]Not terribly exciting to pay $32.99 to play Arma a game unfinished. As for players suggesting changes or improvements. That formula is a failure. Why are developers so clueless about making games they need other people to tell them how they should make them.Long gone are the days when brilliant minds made brilliant games that come from their heads. Now we just have democratic mediocrity.[/citation]
This isn't a replacement for actual game testers. Developers will continue to use testers to try the games and fix any issues. Even with Beta testers and inhouse beta testing, flaws and bugs still exist (with more and more complicated games these days its nearly impossible to have a bug-free game at all, especially at launch). Long ago we didn't have complicated game engines running our games.
This is an incentive to anyone who was already willing enough or planning to pre-order a game, early access to the game in hopes that further bugs (which could have possibly been missed) could be addressed by launch.
I personally rarely pre-order any games.
But having played Arma 2, trusting Bohemia Interactive, and seeing how paying $33 gets you access to Alpha, Beta and full versions of the game its actually a good value.
If enough people get early access and test out a game they were really anticipating and it turns out to be horrible, you can also expect that that will spread on forums and review sites so we won't get disasters like SimCity or the WarZ on steam being released as a final build when clearly it appeared to be an alpha game.
This isn't a replacement for actual game testers. Developers will continue to use testers to try the games and fix any issues. Even with Beta testers and inhouse beta testing, flaws and bugs still exist (with more and more complicated games these days its nearly impossible to have a bug-free game at all, especially at launch). Long ago we didn't have complicated game engines running our games.
This is an incentive to anyone who was already willing enough or planning to pre-order a game, early access to the game in hopes that further bugs (which could have possibly been missed) could be addressed by launch.
I personally rarely pre-order any games.
But having played Arma 2, trusting Bohemia Interactive, and seeing how paying $33 gets you access to Alpha, Beta and full versions of the game its actually a good value.
If enough people get early access and test out a game they were really anticipating and it turns out to be horrible, you can also expect that that will spread on forums and review sites so we won't get disasters like SimCity or the WarZ on steam being released as a final build when clearly it appeared to be an alpha game.
Alpha my be a bit early to buy games. Yeah, you support the devs by keeping them rolling in ramen noodles but there's a huge potential for unknowing customers to feel and be burned. Most of the titles have huge potential.
I'd be surprised if Valve wasn't giving the devs addition support OR using this as a new way to farm employees.
I'd be surprised if Valve wasn't giving the devs addition support OR using this as a new way to farm employees.
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This seems like a choice to counter what happened with The War Z which was clearly sold in early alpha stages as a finished retail product. Instead of ensuring only finished products make it on Steam now they are simply putting up a "swim at your own risk" sign up. I like Steam and Valve but this seems to be the lazy and irresponsible solution to the issue.
I'm in no way saying those games above are as terrible as War Z but the door is now certainly open for those who want to do quick cash ins.
I'm in no way saying those games above are as terrible as War Z but the door is now certainly open for those who want to do quick cash ins.
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[citation][nom]NuclearShadow[/nom]This seems like a choice to counter what happened with The War Z which was clearly sold in early alpha stages as a finished retail product. Instead of ensuring only finished products make it on Steam now they are simply putting up a "swim at your own risk" sign up. I like Steam and Valve but this seems to be the lazy and irresponsible solution to the issue.I'm in no way saying those games above are as terrible as War Z but the door is now certainly open for those who want to do quick cash ins.[/citation]
. . . so then it's Valve's fault still that people read the "CAUTION : THESE GAMES ARE ALPHA STATE" sign, ignored it, them feel like they got burned? Brilliant deduction, Watson.
. . . so then it's Valve's fault still that people read the "CAUTION : THESE GAMES ARE ALPHA STATE" sign, ignored it, them feel like they got burned? Brilliant deduction, Watson.
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[citation][nom]ipwn3r456[/nom]Drunken Robot "Pornography"? The title seems to be a bit misleading...[/citation]
Its going to end like Conkers Bad Fur Day.
Its going to end like Conkers Bad Fur Day.
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Kinda my/our point. I don't mind playing an alpha. I'll even help test with what I know. But to have to PAY for that ability? I'll pass.
It would make more sense if Steam uses this as a reward system. If you have lots of friends, many hours put into games (or certain game genres), spent so much $$$ or some other qualifier, then they reward you with early access to a game of your choice. I shouldn't have to pay $30+ to play an alpha.
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[citation][nom]jkflipflop98[/nom]. . . so then it's Valve's fault still that people read the "CAUTION : THESE GAMES ARE ALPHA STATE" sign, ignored it, them feel like they got burned? Brilliant deduction, Watson.[/citation]
You're certainly misunderstanding me if that is what you are getting from my comment. I am not placing the fault itself on Valve, and while this is better than nothing on one hand it just creates more opportunity for history to repeat itself. On one hand it's great that this will require products to clearly state that they are not in a finished state unlike what existed previously while on the other hand this will make more attempts at cash grabs like War Z.
If it were up to me I would change one small bit. I would require well established and/or those in good terms with Valve to be the only ones that qualify for this selling alphas program. This way it greatly increases the chances of a cash in game isn't released through this. While Valve is not at fault for the actions of others it is however Valve's responsibility to do business and associate with respectable developers and publishers. I think we can all agree this is a fair expectation with any business.
As it stands now it appears someone could easily make a barely functional game. Litter the store page with undelivered features put a "discount" price. While claiming when it goes retail it will be quite a bit more to make more gamers jump on it and then simply abandon the game after sales slow down. Perhaps never once giving a single patch or update. If this happens especially if repeatedly occurs even if we were not to hold it against Valve for conducting business with those it should have tried to avoid the fact still remains that it would be a negative experience. Not just for those directly effected but by all that hear of it and it would sow seeds of distrust into the program hurting the sales of the legitimate games.
You're certainly misunderstanding me if that is what you are getting from my comment. I am not placing the fault itself on Valve, and while this is better than nothing on one hand it just creates more opportunity for history to repeat itself. On one hand it's great that this will require products to clearly state that they are not in a finished state unlike what existed previously while on the other hand this will make more attempts at cash grabs like War Z.
If it were up to me I would change one small bit. I would require well established and/or those in good terms with Valve to be the only ones that qualify for this selling alphas program. This way it greatly increases the chances of a cash in game isn't released through this. While Valve is not at fault for the actions of others it is however Valve's responsibility to do business and associate with respectable developers and publishers. I think we can all agree this is a fair expectation with any business.
As it stands now it appears someone could easily make a barely functional game. Litter the store page with undelivered features put a "discount" price. While claiming when it goes retail it will be quite a bit more to make more gamers jump on it and then simply abandon the game after sales slow down. Perhaps never once giving a single patch or update. If this happens especially if repeatedly occurs even if we were not to hold it against Valve for conducting business with those it should have tried to avoid the fact still remains that it would be a negative experience. Not just for those directly effected but by all that hear of it and it would sow seeds of distrust into the program hurting the sales of the legitimate games.
I have to say I don't see the problem. People have already stated the deal. You get to play Alpha, beta, and then full version all for 32.99$ The game as it is now is missing a lot of details, but it is playable. People need to realize that if you don't want to buy it now, DON'T BUY IT NOW. Let the people who want to spend 32.99$ to help the company and test for them. If it doesn't hurt you, don't get upset about it.
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