Steve Jobs' Salary Was $1, But What About Tim Cook?

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"Well its nice to know that Jobs kept himself on the same salary level as his Chinese workers..what a great guy"

"don't worry, Mr Jobs has approximately 5.5 million Apple shares, he's not starving"

Capital gains tax is 15%, income tax at 5.5 mil is 35% + state/local... Hes not a great guy, is tax evading.

With that said, CEOS of major corps deserve large salaries due to responsibility and the fact that they are in charge of employing many people.
 
[citation][nom]aznshinobi[/nom]So... I hear we're in a recession again. Why are these CEO's being paid this much?[/citation]
Again? When were we ever effectively out of one?

But that aside, just because the overall economy, Apple is very successful. Are you saying that those who do well in a down economy shouldn't get paid?

Honestly, we all worry way to much what others are being paid. If we worried about ourselves more and improving our own value to the workforce, we would be in a lot better condition.
 
[citation][nom]spunkymunky[/nom]"Well its nice to know that Jobs kept himself on the same salary level as his Chinese workers..what a great guy""don't worry, Mr Jobs has approximately 5.5 million Apple shares, he's not starving"Capital gains tax is 15%, income tax at 5.5 mil is 35% + state/local... Hes not a great guy, is tax evading. With that said, CEOS of major corps deserve large salaries due to responsibility and the fact that they are in charge of employing many people.[/citation]
You made a serious charge. Please show where he is guilty of tax evasion. He is being taxed properly and under the right tax code. If you make it illegal to engage in capital activities, you'll see how much faster our economy goes downhill.
 
[citation][nom]Wish I Was Wealthy[/nom]Let's hope that this company will come to its senses,because it's gonna be costing them more every time some one new takes over this position when needed.[/citation]
What do you mean, "Come to its senses"? It doesn't sound like they are doing anything nonsensical.

Cook's base pay was $800K. The $50 million+ was on stock value. As long as the company does well, he gets that. If it doesn't, he doesn't. $800k is not a lot for base pay of a major company, especially one that just passed Exxon Mobile as the most valuable company around.
 
[citation][nom]forsty[/nom]At $1, he paid FICA of 8 cents (rounded). This is why ALL sources of income should be used in the FICA calculation, not just wages.[/citation]
Except capital gains is not income. And you can not put those other types of taxes onto capital gains.

The fact is a lot of economies that are doing well, like Canada, are getting rid of their capital gains taxes all together. We should be looking to do the same, as well as lowering corporate tax rates while getting rid of the loopholes.

By lowering the corporate tax rate we help small businesses and by getting rid of the loopholes, big companies like GE who currently pay effectively nothing on corporate taxes start paying. Not to mention lowering it will encourage more business to come into the country.
 
Steve Jobs received 5.5 million shares in 1997.

He has received no other compensation from Apple after 1997. No bonuses, no salary.

He effectively made $24 from 1997 to 2011 by working at Apple.

Accusing him of tax evasion just shows how ignorant these Apple haters are.
 
[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]Except capital gains is not income. And you can not put those other types of taxes onto capital gains.The fact is a lot of economies that are doing well, like Canada, are getting rid of their capital gains taxes all together. We should be looking to do the same, as well as lowering corporate tax rates while getting rid of the loopholes.By lowering the corporate tax rate we help small businesses and by getting rid of the loopholes, big companies like GE who currently pay effectively nothing on corporate taxes start paying. Not to mention lowering it will encourage more business to come into the country.[/citation]


I am all for it but except one small problem in good ole USA where they lobby against any changes in the tax system and we won't be seeing it happen anytime soon.
 
Apple has something like 45,000 employees, the vast bulk of whom are the in the US. The ones I've met in Silicon Valley come off as well-paid, well-benefited, and thrilled with their jobs.

Yes, Apple exports a lot (all?) of its manufacturing work overseas. Of course, they also sell a ton of product overseas: they are a global brand. Considering that the revenue and profits from all those sales are coming back here to the US, where it is providing a non-trivial portion of the above excellent jobs, as well as great returns for many US investors, I'm not sure the US should be begrudging other countries their share of the less-well-paying jobs.

Finally, the reduced manufacturing cost makes these high demand goods more affordable to everyone. There are probably millions of US (and other) citizens benefiting today from their laptops, tablets, and phones which they might not have been able to afford had the manufacturing costs increased substantially.

So a trade war here does not seem like it would ultimately benefit neither the US nor really any country (as is often the case.)
 
[citation][nom]ronindaosohei[/nom]There's this thing called "value", it's a measure of the contribution you make to the company's profits. They can afford to pay someone $5 million because his contribution results in an additional $500 million or $5 billion in revenues. On the other hand those workers in foreign countries do nothing to contribute to increased company revenues, they just maintain systems someone else created.[/citation]


There's also something called "perceived value" that is what we are talking about here. Did Mr. Cook actually create or design any of these hit products for Apple? heck no!

The only reason why people like you post such tripe about these over compensated CEOs is either because you are in some way related to or associated with his elite group. Or because you drink the Kool Aide served up by the Corporate Media like CNBC or Fux News who tell you how to think about such matters.

The bottom line is there is NO practical and or logical reason for these CEOs to get that kind of compensation, except that the BoD and other executive offices are in bed with each other greasing each others plams making sure that they each give the other fat salaries and compensation. These elite ALWAYS back each other up whether it is moral and ethical or not. GREED KILLS eventually.
 
[citation][nom]legacy7955[/nom]There's also something called "perceived value" that is what we are talking about here. Did Mr. Cook actually create or design any of these hit products for Apple? heck no!The only reason why people like you post such tripe about these over compensated CEOs is either because you are in some way related to or associated with his elite group. Or because you drink the Kool Aide served up by the Corporate Media like CNBC or Fux News who tell you how to think about such matters. The bottom line is there is NO practical and or logical reason for these CEOs to get that kind of compensation, except that the BoD and other executive offices are in bed with each other greasing each others plams making sure that they each give the other fat salaries and compensation. These elite ALWAYS back each other up whether it is moral and ethical or not. GREED KILLS eventually.[/citation]
You sound like every other moronic 'power to the people' parrot. When a company makes billions then it is completely fiscally responsible to let those on top have a percentage (even if that percentage is less than 1%) of the general profits. There is a real value for those who dream up a product or system, and have the perseverance to keep it running at the sacrifice of family and friendships. The ones on top are the ones who have an interest in the company. The ones on bottom are working for themselves, to get ahead.
In the US all systems, products, ideas, and IP is protected very well because it is the engine that keeps us going. It is the socialist mentality of taxing the hell out of everyone on top to squander on the people on the bottom that creates bad economies. Having a gap between the rich and the poor does not cause problems. Having a weak economy where the poor cannot provide their own basic needs causes problems. In a strong economy the rich are insanely rich compared to the poor, but the poor can live a good and decent life. No, they don't get all the frills in life, but they can feed/clothe/heat/cool/clean themselves in a decent living environment. And because of the charity in good economic times, hospitals can provide the free health care that they have ALWAYS provided, which is better than the crap being pushed right now.

That being said, I still don't like apple products. Too sterile, and locked down for my tastes. And the next time Apple makes a phone that cannot be used and held at the same time they will not have their smooth talker to gloss over the problem.
 
I wonder how much the engineers and product designers themselves earned last year. Those guys are the ones directly responsible for creating Apple's products while the top brass just give orders.
 
[citation][nom]stm1185[/nom]Yes they can give out $5,000,000 bonuses and not be able to move manufacturing operations to the US. Yes they can pay the man who overseas day to day operations of the most valuable company in the world $60,000,000 in compensation but not move out of China. Because this is not a fairy land, and the very idea that they can cut their COO's very well earned salary to shift manufacturing locations is retarded. You guys need to stop reading the socialist propaganda and pick up a math book so you can understand how corporate finances work and how you can give an executive 5 mil, and yet not be able to spend an extra billion on manufacturing.[/citation]

from my understanding, executives usually know jack about their products, but they know numbers, and they decide what apart of the company gets money and what doesn't based on numbers.

if the ipod didn't sell well, but was an outstanding piece of tech, they would have dumped it right away, while the workers or engineers see the potential.

i dont believe that executives deserve ANY money because all they realy do is gamble, the engineers deserve the bulk of it, from making the product, to software. and i believe that the lower assembly line workers, at lesast deserve a certain amount of the pie, because they put the crap together.

an executive just needs to be a face. and the only ones i ever respected were the ones that actually work/worked to get those seats, not just fell into them because they happened to have the money.
 
That's the US (and other western capitalist) system. Corporates have been well treated in law - the US supreme decision that corporations have the same rights as citizens with respect to political donations being one such example. So, even during recessions, when millions are out of work and on subsistence (welfare), oil companies are making record profits, whilst paying historically minimal taxes.

Wealth is concentrated in the hands of a very few - the top 2% of US citizens control 50% of the wealth, while the bottom 50% have only 2.5% of it. Income disparity breeds social malcontent. The citizenry aren't able to afford what capitalism produces, and the whole system becomes unstable and capital controls labour.

But hey, no one has come up with a viable alternative that suits human nature, so whatcha gonna do?
 
[citation][nom]brucek2[/nom]Apple has something like 45,000 employees, the vast bulk of whom are the in the US. The ones I've met in Silicon Valley come off as well-paid, well-benefited, and thrilled with their jobs.Yes, Apple exports a lot (all?) of its manufacturing work overseas. Of course, they also sell a ton of product overseas: they are a global brand. Considering that the revenue and profits from all those sales are coming back here to the US, where it is providing a non-trivial portion of the above excellent jobs, as well as great returns for many US investors, I'm not sure the US should be begrudging other countries their share of the less-well-paying jobs.Finally, the reduced manufacturing cost makes these high demand goods more affordable to everyone. There are probably millions of US (and other) citizens benefiting today from their laptops, tablets, and phones which they might not have been able to afford had the manufacturing costs increased substantially.So a trade war here does not seem like it would ultimately benefit neither the US nor really any country (as is often the case.)[/citation]

The problem is, these large corporations don't return as much to the US as they probably should. The investors making the real money are the ones that had a large sum of money to invest. The rich get richer, alright fine. Americans making money should still filter down to everyone else, right?

Except the corporations making money are making enough money to hire the best lawyers and accountants. They find loopholes to cheat and legally pay less than smaller businesses. We don't live in a country where the poor are allowed to starve or die without treatment, so someone still has to pay the bill for social services through taxes. If the rich avoid the bill, it falls on the middle class to pay it. Since these people cut themselves such high bonuses, that money isn't sent down through the system to the people who designed, built, or sold that product. They deserve their cut just as much for the efforts they put in as the executive does, but they aren't going to get it. Again the middle class loses out most, since the lower class still has social services to turn to. As someone stated above, being an executive is basically just educated guessing. But even if they guess wrong and cost the company millions, the worst fate they can face is to leave with a severance package large enough to live on for life, not to mention what they've already been paid. Is someone going to be called a hero for pointing a dying man towards a hospital? All these CEOs do is point towards a direction, they don't contribute to the actual success.

So no, I don't think the profits returned directly improve the conditions of Americans. I think that having more middle to lower class jobs during a high unemployment period would help Americans. If the higher ups didn't get paid so much, they could afford a higher paid localized workforce. Perhaps if there were more factories in the US, there would have been an alternative when the auto industry failed. Some jobs don't translate well between auto and electronic manufacturing, but some could be trained and some are just basic assembly.

Let's just say though that having localized labor would still increase the retail costs of those items. They should cost more, as manufacturing them with cheaper outsourcing reduces the local market value, which in turn forces localized businesses to lower their prices to compete, which will force them to outsource themselves or cut costs by cutting quality/labor. If Wal Mart can mass produce beef using livestock factories, then the only way to compete at that price point is to get a livestock factory yourself or go out of the beef business. Outsourcing devalues everything for us.
 
[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]You made a serious charge. Please show where he is guilty of tax evasion. He is being taxed properly and under the right tax code. If you make it illegal to engage in capital activities, you'll see how much faster our economy goes downhill.[/citation]
If you read between the lines, rather than artificially literally to prove a [dumb] point then you'd acknowledge he technically meant avoiding rather than "evading" in the criminal sense. I'm not socialist, or even left-wing in any sense, but it's so tiresome to see people being brainlessly pro-big business. If you're a decent human being you'd realise a very wealthy person paying 15% taxes while middle class people are paying 35%+ is ethically wrong. The fact we can't charge higher taxes to businesses and the megarich because they'll just go abroad is an unfortunate fact of life, not a moral justification.
 
Holy sh1t Tim is rich. However I am glad to see Steve cares more about his company than he does about his money. Thats a very good thing.
 
this is rather disgusting when you consider that people in china were literally killing themselves because of the working conditions in the factories so that apple could save money.
 
All earned while the workers at the Foxconn factories jump to death because they don't get any salery worth mentioning. Even that "extra" bonus would have made a day and night change for those poor workers that work in slave like conditions - but its better to just send it all to a single guy so he get a 10% more - Awesome world isnt it!?
 
[citation][nom]anony2004[/nom]$59 million last year? Isn't that a hell lot of money to earn?[/citation]

technically $52M are in stock options. so the actual money in his bank was more like over $7M
 
There are obviously a lot of dumb people here, and poor ones too.

Companies aren't giving money away for no reason. A normal worker is infinitely replaceable, and if he or she leaves, who really cares? You can hire someone else.

If Apple believes Tim Cook is irreplaceable, and his decisions really make a difference, a tiny sum of $60,000,000 means nothing. In the bigger scheme of things, it's a very, very insignificant amount of money from Apple's perspective, if he's making a difference. Being in his position, his decision can have a huge impact on financial results. If they paid him less, or he wasn't offered proper incentives, he might go some place else, and assuming he's as good as they think, they could lose massive amounts of money from his departure. Way more than a 60M.

It's as simple as that. They REALLY don't want him to leave. Also, when you pay a guy for performance, you motivate others below him because they see the opportunity as well. If you pay them crap, and they see their superior getting paid crap, you lose the best and brightest to other companies who recognize the importance of having the best people in positions that make decisions. You need the best, and most talented there, whatever the cost.
 
It occurs to me that this concept of giving a top executive shares instead of a salary at the end of the month is actually a good one. It kind of puts things in perspective... If you do well, shares are bound to value and you get paid, if you don't they'll decrease in value and you won't get anything. Kinda like in the animal kingdom, if the Lion fails to capture the prey it'll starve and eventually die. Let's just hope their "preys" don't die too quickly, I wonder what will happen when there are none left to feed upon.

I don't care if it's fair or unfair, but I can clearly say in the world we live in, even for you in the U.S.A. what they earn is not in balance with reality, but that's not for me to say, ask about fairness to my little brother that thinks milk comes from the supermarket, and not from a cow. That's how society is these days, where you're so out of touch with reality that you completely forget that there wouldn't even be a Steve Jobs to create an iSomething if he could not feed, breathe, and live in a free country.

Blessed the mind too small for doubt that lets the consequences go unnoticed by the joyful birth of new mistakes at the cost of a mere $1.
 
Well, I don't know about you but when I see that suit makes almost 56 million in ONE year, it makes me want to break out the torches and pitchforks! And yet we STILL have morons that defend the shameless greed our system promotes. Im not saying they dont work hard and dont deserve to be wealthy but this MONUMENTAL greed is what is killing the entire world economy. Well when it breaks, I know whose house to storm!
 
[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]Except capital gains is not income. And you can not put those other types of taxes onto capital gains.The fact is a lot of economies that are doing well, like Canada, are getting rid of their capital gains taxes all together. We should be looking to do the same, as well as lowering corporate tax rates while getting rid of the loopholes.By lowering the corporate tax rate we help small businesses and by getting rid of the loopholes, big companies like GE who currently pay effectively nothing on corporate taxes start paying. Not to mention lowering it will encourage more business to come into the country.[/citation]

Sorry Wildkitten - Everyone should be paid $50K and live in Soviet Russia... Where regardless of how well you do, people will tear you down and say you deserve nothing because they are making less...

And it's Apple's fault we're in a recession, and finally Dell, Acer, ASUS, WallMart, Target, HP, Lenovo - none of these companies employ under paid Chinese workers.

 
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