Question Streaming HD from Youtube: Not All GPUs Can Handle vp8 or vp9 codecs

[Petros_K]

System arrived. It's clean, but it has a 250 watt power supply. The article above linked to the HP Elitedesk 800 G4 Workstation at Tom's Hardware should be changed to indicate this computer comes with a 500 watt OR 250 watt PSU.

Either this goes back or I need a new PSU that can fit in the case.

I found the HP 500W power supply that fits in this case DPS-500AB-32 on Ebay for $70 - $80, but is it a simple matter of swapping one PSU for the other?

Again, this is for a GeForce GTX 1050 ti video card, and my model requires a 6 pin connector so uses more than 75W. Better option to go with another video card with the same or better power (max cost about $150) and that only needs the 75W from the PCIe slot?

For what it's worth, the system came with a AMD Radeon R7 430 video card, which must not use more than 75W, and I also have an AMD Radeon HD 6450 in my old PC, but my guess is these two cards can't reliably do 1080p@60FPS and definitely cannot do 4K.

 

[Petros_K]

I decided, even if not quite as computer savvy, to just upgrade the PSU. Seller says it's the 500W PSU that is compatible with a HP EliteDesk 800 G4 Workstation. If not, he'll do a free return for me.

That way, if I want to later upgrade to a more powerful GPU, I've got the power there. I also need to run at times a USB powered audio interface for recording, and it likely draws enough power that running the video card along with it likely pushes a 250W PSU too hard.

So total cost of upgraded system (not just some new parts) is about $260, about $60 more than I wanted to spend. But I needed Windows 10 pro, got another 8 GB RAM (only had 8 in the existing PC), 3.1 USB ports (I only had 2.0), and then there's the Core i7 8700 replacing a Core 2 Duo 8400. Is that the best CPU upgrade I could do? No. But I look at computers as tools, not objects of status, and think if this system can do the job then that's all that matters. Kinda crazy to me all I want to do is stream 4K when available and get consistent 1080p60fps, and this is all I had to do!

 

[Darkbreeze]

I decided, even if not quite as computer savvy, to just upgrade the PSU. Seller says it's the 500W PSU that is compatible with a HP EliteDesk 800 G4 Workstation. If not, he'll do a free return for me.

That way, if I want to later upgrade to a more powerful GPU, I've got the power there. I also need to run at times a USB powered audio interface for recording, and it likely draws enough power that running the video card along with it likely pushes a 250W PSU too hard.

So total cost of upgraded system (not just some new parts) is about $260, about $60 more than I wanted to spend. But I needed Windows 10 pro, got another 8 GB RAM (only had 8 in the existing PC), 3.1 USB ports (I only had 2.0), and then there's the Core i7 8700 replacing a Core 2 Duo 8400. Is that the best CPU upgrade I could do? No. But I look at computers as tools, not objects of status, and think if this system can do the job then that's all that matters. Kinda crazy to me all I want to do is stream 4K when available and get consistent 1080p60fps, and this is all I had to do!

I have no concept of what it means to buy a computer OR specific hardware, because of some kind of status. That is reserved for little boys and rich dudes, who are also generally like little boys. I never recommend somebody should buy specific hardware because of any lame concept that it will gain status for that person and only make recommendations based on what I feel it the best recommendation to serve the purpose the user is seeking to resolve. Sometimes that means making recommendations that are not exactly what has been requested, IF it makes more sense for them in the grander scheme of things, even if they don't immediately see that. It's great that your used hardware lasted you a long time, but I assure you, that is not going to be the case in every case and with used hardware if something fails two months down the road OR like you discovered, the seller has LIED

(And don't blame Tom's for the fact that you read in an article from YEARS ago that the unit comes with a 500w power supply and yours only had a 250w power supply, because you have absolutely no reason to assume that the 250w unit is the one that came in that machine because the reality is that given it's age the user or the seller has swapped it out for another one when the original died. Which it surely has at some point in the last 6 years. These OEM machines aren't like the ones from the old days where Dell and HP sometimes put really well built PSUs in their workstations. These days, they put junk in them almost universally, so you can't expect them to last more than five years and they certainly don't expect it either.)

and has not included the same PSU that they indicated it would have, so you have to invest more money into the system anyhow. Now you are beginning to get past the point where this made any sense at all AND if you have to replace or upgrade ANYTHING else in this machine at ANY point in the next three years, you would have been much better off to simply buy all new, modern parts, and then pay some repair shop to assemble it all or do it yourself. I assure you, if my ten year old nephew and the 9 year old grandson of my good friend can assemble a PC, anybody short of somebody with a real physical or mental handicap should also be able to.

But, what's done is done, and hopefully this turns out ok for you. I think you ARE going to be returning that PSU because all indications are that both the motherboard AND the power supply are proprietary. What that means is that ONLY power supplies and motherboards that were specifically designed for use with THAT specific machine, are going to work with it. That means, they will NEED to be HP products and they will NEED to be for that model or a similar model with the same proprietary design. That also means, either you are going to be buying used, or paying through the nose for new old stock most likely. Either way, you won't likely be using any standard aftermarket parts with it when it comes to cases, power supplies or motherboards.

Replace PSU (Power Supply) for HP EliteDesk 800 G4 TWR

Greetings! I'm unable to find a part number for the replacement of my current 250 Watts PSU for my HP EliteDesk 800 G4 (Europe). I'm looking for the 500 W replacement part. Is anyone able to point me to the right direction? Thanks in advance!

h30434.www3.hp.com

 

[Petros_K]

I think you ARE going to be returning that PSU because all indications are that both the motherboard AND the power supply are proprietary. What that means is that ONLY power supplies and motherboards that were specifically designed for use with THAT specific machine, are going to work with it. That means, they will NEED to be HP products and they will NEED to be for that model or a similar model with the same proprietary design. That also means, either you are going to be buying used, or paying through the nose for new old stock most likely. Either way, you won't likely be using any standard aftermarket parts with it when it comes to cases, power supplies or motherboards.

It is an HP PSU. Seller is confident it's compatible. If not it goes back. Why would HP make two different motherboards for the EliteDesk 800 G4 Workstation and only one can accept 500W PSU?

 

[Darkbreeze]

They don't make only one that can take a 500w PSU. You can use ANY capacity PSU with ANY system, so long as it at least meets the minimum requirements for the system. The only factor when it comes to different boards is that it must have the same connectors as what is needed, but the form factor of the PSU can be a factor as there are many different ones. There are small form factor PSUs of several different types, there are micro ATX models, ATX models AND there are some proprietary form factor models out there that only work with the case and board they were designed to be used with. Often companies that make prebuilt systems will do this so that you HAVE to buy a replacement through them. That's why it's always better to use standard aftermarket cases and boards and PSUs, so you don't have to deal with that.

If what you ordered is an HP unit and the seller says it is compatible with your machine, then it probably is.

 

[Petros_K]

They don't make only one that can take a 500w PSU. You can use ANY capacity PSU with ANY system, so long as it at least meets the minimum requirements for the system. The only factor when it comes to different boards is that it must have the same connectors as what is needed, but the form factor of the PSU can be a factor as there are many different ones. There are small form factor PSUs of several different types, there are micro ATX models, ATX models AND there are some proprietary form factor models out there that only work with the case and board they were designed to be used with. Often companies that make prebuilt systems will do this so that you HAVE to buy a replacement through them. That's why it's always better to use standard aftermarket cases and boards and PSUs, so you don't have to deal with that.

If what you ordered is an HP unit and the seller says it is compatible with your machine, then it probably is.

Actually no.

I just found from HP tech support that with the Elitedesk 800 G4 series if your computer came with a 250W PSU you cannot just switch to the 500W 80PlusGold PSU made by HP that does come in some Elitedesk 800 4G machines. The PCs that come with the 250W PSU only work with that PSU. This is from HP tech support.

EDIT: But note, later in the day when I was on chat with a different HP agent, this person said if it's in the manual that these PCs can have a 250W or 500W PSU, then it should be possible to upgrade as long as you have the right HP part. She gave me two part numbers and said either are compatible and the HP 500W 80 Plus Gold PSU : 932461-850 or L32168-001


But in the absence of finding the correct PSU, only option I have if I keep this PC with the Core i7 8700 CPU is to find a low power video card that can still do 4K instead of using the GeFore GTX 1050 ti which has the 6 pin connector?

 

[Petros_K]

Now see, here's someone selling an HP ProDesk 600 G4 with a Core i7-8700, 16GB Ram, 512GB SSD and the system has a AMD RX 550 4GB video card.

I asked the seller how many watts is the PSU, and he says 250W.

But I also asked do you know if the CPU/video card of this system will alow for streaming 4K?

His reply: "No doubt about it, you can stream 4K on way less than what this has."

What? With THAT video card?

The HP Elitedesk 800 G4 Workstation with the 250W PSU I'm ready to send back (also has a Core i7 8700 CPU) comes with a AMD Radeon R7 430 video card. How do I know if this is adequate to stream 4K? I can't just try it because the video card has displayport connectors, and I only have HDMI cables.

Maybe another way to ask this question is like this: For a PC with a Core i7 8700 CPU, what low power/lowest cost graphics card can you use that will allow you to stream 4K?


*Mods: I am leaving this thread to pursue finding an answer by asking a different question.