Streaming PC for WoW (World of Warcraft)

[Tyler LM]

MY PC SPECS CURRENTLY:

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500
GPU: Radeon AMD R9 380X 4GB
Ram: 16GB DDR4
CPU Cooler: H80i v2

QUESTION:

So I been wanting to stream WoW in 720P 60 FPS, but the thing is will a upgrade from i5-6500 to i7-7700K or Ryzen 5 1600 (Non X) be the better choice. I want to run 60+ FPS while doing Raids and what not while I am streaming. I can handle below 60 FPS, but I dont want any lower than 45 FPS. I want the game to run on setting 8-10 I prefer 8 over 10 though. I am thinking that the i7-7700K will be the better one due to me having a MOBO that supports it and also a Cooler that supports it, if I go Ryzen I will have to get the bracket for the Cooler and a MOBO for the CPU to work, so either way I will spend just as much money.

PROBLEM:

My current MOBO does not support Overclocking, but in the future I can get one that does, so for now if I go i7 I will run it stock.

 

[Mike3k24]

It'll be much cheaper to grab the i7 instead of the 1600 because you'd have to purchase a new motherboard and may even need a new windows key.

 

[Froge]

I run a i7 6700k stock, mainly because it was cheaper than the i7 6700. I can stream fine, I can stream GTA 5 on highest settings with 60-70 fps and I have an R9 390 so you should be good if you upgrade.

I don't really have experience in Ryzen but I have a bit of experience with Intel and I'd say it would be good for you to run an i7

 

[Chugalug_]

A Ryzen 1700 is the best choice here, everything can carry over, gets you far more threads and great performance, and will be much better than the i7 here.
Get the 1700, an AM4 bracket from Corsair and the AB350M Pro 4 from Asrock and enjoy.

 

[Tyler LM]

It'll be much cheaper to grab the i7 instead of the 1600 because you'd have to purchase a new motherboard and may even need a new windows key.

I can always unlink my key from this MOBO so I can then use it on another.

 

[Tyler LM]

A Ryzen 1700 is the best choice here, everything can carry over, gets you far more threads and great performance, and will be much better than the i7 here.
Get the 1700, an AM4 bracket from Corsair and the AB350M Pro 4 from Asrock and enjoy.

I cant afford anything more than 320-340, so I cant go that route.

 

[Tyler LM]

I run a i7 6700k stock, mainly because it was cheaper than the i7 6700. I can stream fine, I can stream GTA 5 on highest settings with 60-70 fps and I have an R9 390 so you should be good if you upgrade.

I don't really have experience in Ryzen but I have a bit of experience with Intel and I'd say it would be good for you to run an i7

Okay I will look into the i7-6700K and or the 7700K depending on the price difference.

 

[Mike3k24]

Well if you're okay with doing that, I would go for a R5 1600 or 1700 build plus a nice b350 board and you'll be good to go for streaming.

 

[Tyler LM]

Well if you're okay with doing that, I would go for a R5 1600 or 1700 build plus a nice b350 board and you'll be good to go for streaming.

I actually dont want 60 FPS in the stream I want 30 FPS, the 60 FPS mark is way to taxing on the CPU.

 

[Mike3k24]

That works perfectly fine too. Also the 1700 is under $300 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3kPzK8/amd-ryzen-7-1700-30ghz-8-core-processor-yd1700bbaebox

 

[Froge]

Well if you're okay with doing that, I would go for a R5 1600 or 1700 build plus a nice b350 board and you'll be good to go for streaming.

I actually dont want 60 FPS in the stream I want 30 FPS, the 60 FPS mark is way to taxing on the CPU.

I use to stream everyday, honestly I'd go for the i7. Works fine for me.

 

[Tyler LM]

That works perfectly fine too. Also the 1700 is under $300 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3kPzK8/amd-ryzen-7-1700-30ghz-8-core-processor-yd1700bbaebox

Yeah the CPU may be, but I dont got a MOBO for that CPU..

 

[Tyler LM]

Well if you're okay with doing that, I would go for a R5 1600 or 1700 build plus a nice b350 board and you'll be good to go for streaming.

I actually dont want 60 FPS in the stream I want 30 FPS, the 60 FPS mark is way to taxing on the CPU.

I use to stream everyday, honestly I'd go for the i7. Works fine for me.

Im thinkin i7 to because I got a MOBO for it plus its still a good streaming CPU.

 

[Chugalug_]

A Ryzen 1700 is the best choice here, everything can carry over, gets you far more threads and great performance, and will be much better than the i7 here.
Get the 1700, an AM4 bracket from Corsair and the AB350M Pro 4 from Asrock and enjoy.

I cant afford anything more than 320-340, so I cant go that route.

It only costs about 370 with mobo and CPU, and it'll perform way better. An i7 isn't quite optimal for it, the extra threads will help heaps.
Trust me here, it's a much better long term solution.
Note that you also need to buy a cooler with k skew CPUs, so that ups the price to the same as the 1700 setup.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($294.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $372.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-29 23:17 EDT-0400

 

[Tyler LM]

A Ryzen 1700 is the best choice here, everything can carry over, gets you far more threads and great performance, and will be much better than the i7 here.
Get the 1700, an AM4 bracket from Corsair and the AB350M Pro 4 from Asrock and enjoy.

I cant afford anything more than 320-340, so I cant go that route.

It only costs about 370 with mobo and CPU, and it'll perform way better. An i7 isn't quite optimal for it, the extra threads will help heaps.
Trust me here, it's a much better long term solution.
Note that you also need to buy a cooler with k skew CPUs, so that ups the price to the same as the 1700 setup.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($294.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $372.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-29 23:17 EDT-0400

I can do with either a Ryzen 5 1600X or a i7-7700K, I currently stream with a i5 and I dont mind it, I just want more power for streaming.

 

[Chugalug_]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, it offers 33% more cores over the 1600 for a little more after cooler.
I'm saying after you buy a CPU cooler for the 7700k or 1600X it's the same cost as a 1700 and B350.

 

[Tyler LM]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, it offers 33% more cores over the 1600 for a little more after cooler.
I'm saying after you buy a CPU cooler for the 7700k or 1600X it's the same cost as a 1700 and B350.

Your not getting it... I said I have the H80i v2 and with that I can cool just fine, it would cost 5 dollars for the bracket with AM4, but nothing for the LGA 1151 because my socket is the LGA 1151.. It will not cost the same it will be 30-50 dollars cheaper, but if I get extra money I will go with the 1700.

 

[Tyler LM]

Plus the only benefit for the 1700 is 20 percent faster multi core. The Ryzen 5 1600X is the sweet spot for price and power. (With more Single and same Quad, but 20-25 percent less Multi)

 

[Tyler LM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPkJgyD7X3I because thats a BIG FPS difference I would have to say that the i7-7700K is probably the better streamer to.. (If you go 720P 30-45 FPS) Yeah the 7700K is better than the R7 1700 all around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXeenX0FZAY

 

[Chugalug_]

Oh right my bad. :/
Get the 7700k then if choosing between the two.
The 7700k isn't better for streaming, absolutely 0 chance, but it's the best value investment here.

 

[Mike3k24]

The 7700k is barely better at gaming than the 1600 or 1700 nowadays with more games becoming optimized for Ryzen. And by the way you can get a 1600 + good b350 board for less than the price of an i7 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B3pZd6 this'll perform better in streaming than the i7 by far.

 

[Tyler LM]

Oh right my bad. :/
Get the 7700k then if choosing between the two.
The 7700k isn't better for streaming, absolutely 0 chance, but it's the best value investment here.

Actually it depends on the games you play. The ones I play I would say the 7700K is probably the better bet even over the 1700 or 1700X because you see a 10-40 FPS difference and while streaming the 7700K wont see a 40 FPS drop maybe 20 at ABSOLUTE most, but thats it. You have to remember WoW is my main game and its a SINGLE Core game, so with the 7700K being Superior to the 1700 or 1700X and 1600 or 1600X (by 20-40 percent with the 1600X having better single core than the Ryzen 7's the Ryzen 5 1600X single core is 29 percent worse and Ryzen 7 1700 is mid-high 30s worse) in single core situations the 7700K will be best bet. I hardly ever stream anything other than WoW and even if I did I wont loose much if any at all in Fallout 4 (Because my i5 does not) and the only other game besides WoW and Fallout 4 I stream is Diablo III and its not taxing on my hardware currently (Unless its in a Nephalem rift with a LOT of people).

WoW is a game that uses my 4'th core to 80-100 percent and all others at 10-30 percent. I would say the hyper threading and 30 percent boost in single core performance from i5 6500 --> i7 7700K is going to make streaming butter smooth and FPS in WoW go from 40 (On setting 7) in raids to 40-60+ (On setting 10 AKA Max) in raids on the i7.

The Ryzen 7 1800X or weaker will actually see performance drops in WoW while not streaming over the i5 6500 due to the i5 I got having better single core (But kinda bad single core for a i5 due to the i5 6600K having 28-32 percent better single core over my i5).

I have taken Bitwitt's (YouTuber) benchmarks from the Ryzen 7 1700 (Non X) and did the math and for games that are quad core based you see around a 8 percent difference (While Gaming not Streaming). While in streaming with quad core based games you see around 5 percent better performance with around 13 percent better frametimes (Sometimes worse average FPS but better frametimes)

REASON I MADE THREAD:

The only reason I made this thread is because I sometimes actually do Video Editing/Rendering of my streams in 1080-1440P in 30-60 FPS, but not often. I also game on my spare time and I wanted a CPU that combines Stream and Gaming performance in the good --> excellent category while having a good --> excellent CPU for video editing and rendering aswell, so I want my PC to be a good video editing/rendering and Gaming/Streaming PC (All in One).

 

[Tyler LM]

The 7700k is barely better at gaming than the 1600 or 1700 nowadays with more games becoming optimized for Ryzen. And by the way you can get a 1600 + good b350 board for less than the price of an i7 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B3pZd6 this'll perform better in streaming than the i7 by far.

Its not by far its by minimal, the only time the i7 is worse than the Ryzen 5 or 7's in streaming is if the game is VERY I mean VERY CPU intensive or if the game takes advantage of more than 4 threads as in 6-8 (The R5 is around the same in streaming and the R7 is around 5 percent better in streaming with also a 13 percent better frametime). The thing the Ryzen is way better in is in Video Editing/Rendering with around a minute faster 4K rendering depending on the length of the video.

 

[Tyler LM]

Also note that the R5 is actually better in quad core/single core performance over the R7's due to the R5's (If its 1600-1600X) having around 5-10 percent better single core and like 3-5 percent better quad core performance.

 

[Tyler LM]

The 7700k is barely better at gaming than the 1600 or 1700 nowadays with more games becoming optimized for Ryzen. And by the way you can get a 1600 + good b350 board for less than the price of an i7 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B3pZd6 this'll perform better in streaming than the i7 by far.

I also dont want the 1600 (Non X) I want the 1600X if I go 1600 so I can get that slight better single core performance.