Stutter in games...caused by an SSD? or OC?

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olegpetrov1416

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Sup guys!
Good afternoon!

I have a question about very exotic thing (exotic to me)

I have a very strange problem - stuttering in open world games (all of them):
GTA V
Watch Dogs 2
AC: Origins
Fallout 4
which is ok, i know stutter can be caused by anything, but I tried to limit FPS to 30 or 40 and stutter was gone 😵 But all these games can be played above 60FPS on High-Ultra settings

But games like BF1, Overwatch and games without open worlds run silky smooth.

Can a SSD cause stutter? And how do I test it, if it`s the cause?

ok, the specs:
i7 4770k OC 4.4 Ghz (1.188 core votage) (MAX TEMP at AIDA stress is 72-75 C with Noctua air cooler)
16 GB RAM, 1600Hz HX318C9SRK2/16, XMP profile 2
GTX 1070 G1 GIGABYTE OC 2025 Mhz core clock (drops to 2010 sometimes), 2125 Mhz memory clock, volage 1081 mv - max temp is 65 C (air)
SSD Plextor 128 GB (2013 year) - System SSD, there used to be a 8 GB pagefile since 2013, but I checked It`s health and its fine 3 TB were written since the start if using
HDD TOSHIBA 2TB (2013 year) - works perfectly fine, not so many writes since 2013
SSD Samsung Evo 850 512 GB (2018) - gaming SSD
Win 7 x64
Monitor BENQ 144Hz (i`m playing at 120 Hz as it`s recommended)
PSU 800 Wt.

Can you pls advice me some soft for monitoring the cause? because I`m lost...I don`t know Check SSD (samsung) with AIDA linear and random reads - no spikes. I don`t understand. I don`t know maybe 60 FPS is not
 
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i7 4770k OC 4.4 Ghz (1.188 core votage) (MAX TEMP at AIDA stress is 72-75 C with Noctua air cooler)
16 GB RAM, 1600Hz HX318C9SRK2/16, XMP profile 2
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Save profile, Reset BIOS.
GTX 1070 G1 GIGABYTE OC
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Disable OC and increase power limit with MSI Afterburner or other software. You might wanna increase the voltage too. Another guy fixed it by doing that.
there used to be a 8 GB pagefile since 2013
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Manually set the min-max pagefile to 16384MB (16GB). putting it on Auto or lower than RAM can cause problems. For example, AOTS: Escalation needs 12GB+ of page or it will crash after some time.
I don`t know Check
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Task manager > performance tab > check for spikes on the graphs while stuttering. They should record about 1 minute.
 
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Manually set the min-max pagefile to 16384MB (16GB). putting it on Auto or lower than RAM can cause problems. For example, AOTS: Escalation needs 12GB+ of page or it will crash after some time.
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I heard that placing Pagefile on SSD hurts it badly? Isn`t it? Also do I really need page with 16 GB ram with gaming?

the rest already been done, didn`t help, I`ll try page file

 
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Don;'t just reset the BIOS for no reason. Definitely don't manually setup the Pagefile, and don't just jack up power limit and voltage. Basically don't listen to any of this.



Whoever told you that is a moron, having the pagefile on an SSD improves performance. Leave it at windows stock settings Windows will make it the size it needs.

Your SSD is NOT causing your issues.

Download MSI Afterburner and use the data logging feature and show us whats happening when these stutters happen in the data log. Take screenshots of the data logging and post them here.
 
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Whoever told you that is a moron, having the pagefile on an SSD improves performance. Leave it at windows stock settings Windows will make it the size it needs.

Your SSD is NOT causing your issues.

Download MSI Afterburner and use the data logging feature and show us whats happening when these stutters happen in the data log. Take screenshots of the data logging and post them here
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Ok, I post them, as for page file...windows tells me that he needs 24 gb 😵
 
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Just leave windows set to control the page file itself.
 
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Don;'t just reset the BIOS for no reason. Definitely don't manually setup the Pagefile, and don't just jack up power limit and voltage. Basically don't listen to any of this.
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BIOS on stock should work. No reason to not to when he's saved it already. Also, I have seen people get stutters because of CPU OC, Too much factory GPU OC, damaged SSD stack and .... One reason I recommended the task manager graphs for spikes. You can check the threads I have been on. I wouldn't give advice for no reason.
As for pagefile, I have researched and experimented enough to know. Windows adjusts the pagefile on the go from 0.5 GB to whatever is higher than RAM. It can overload the SSD and cause stutters when games are demanding. That's why I specified a manual size.

Whoever told you that is a moron, having the pagefile on an SSD improves performance.
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That's true.

Download MSI Afterburner and use the data logging feature and show us whats happening when these stutters happen in the data log.
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Good idea. Task manager doesn't show the exact numbers.
 
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Thats completely not true regarding the pagefile "overloading the SSD". Especially that he has 16gb of ram. Don't know where you did your research but its wrong. Leave the pagefile alone on automatic settings and it will not harm anything.

And yes people can get stuttering due to overheating due to OC . Except he posted that he has good temps, instead of just resetting the BIOS he can drop his OC settings OR we can actually diagnose the problem with MSI afterburner as I suggested which shows far more info than task manager before just assuming all sorts of things are going wrong and disabling all of them.
 
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Thats completely not true regarding the pagefile "overloading the SSD".
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I just reconfirmed while playing AOTS: Escalation under DX12. Windows reached it's maxed quota and started writing like mad to increase the pagefile. Used 13GB PAGE + 6.5GB RAM for the game. Most people Assume pagefile is useless when you have too much RAM. FFXV needed too much too.

And yes people can get stuttering due to overheating due to OC .
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Never said he's overheating. Unstable OC (low voltage or voltage drop) can cause.

just assuming all sorts of things are going wrong and disabling all of them
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Disabling everything is usually far faster than speculating about what could be wrong. Also, faster too check task manager too. It has most of the usual suspects.

I will stop arguing now (more like debating:)), wait for the OP to post results.
 
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I never said pagefile was useless, I said Windows can manage it fine. And it does not "overload the SSD".

And again assuming his OC is unstable on a system that with a 5 year old processor has likely been in service for a while. Like I said diagnose the problem, don't just throw out solutions.

Using Afterburner to diagnose is not speculating, you can literally see in the telemetry whats doing what and when. So yes lets wait for the OP.
 
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ok...OC is stable, temp is not the issue, no throttling or BSODs with CPU OC, also I tried it without any OC and it`s still the same...about 5 y.o. hardware as I said above: games like BF1, overwatch, resident evil 7 all run with FPS higher than 90 and smooth, only the open world games cause stutter when loading cells I guess. Pls check AB log file

https://drive.google.com/open?id=14RPaq1hueviHlXxxwtVTrai3ighCm9Jq

game was locked to 60 fps with RIVA so no 100% GPU usage, I locked it so you can see the drops.

The game was GTA V
 
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Can you provide screenshots of this? The file I can't pull up (not on my PC)
 
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Ok so yeah I clearly see those frametime jumps its not super bad but I can see how it can be annoying. Definitely not a temp problem. How old is your PSU and what brand and model is it?

Do you have anything running in the background while playing?

 
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in the background gigabyte app with OC, MSI and Riva to lock frame rate and monitor load, logitech mouse app to manage mouse (i`m playing on controller most of the time, sometimes on m+kb and I heed ap to switch between sensetivity for sniper or fast mode)

as for PSU
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Power-Supply-Units/GS-Series%E2%84%A2-GS800-%E2%80%94-80-PLUS%C2%AE-Bronze-Certified-Power-Supply-%E2%80%9C2013-Edition%E2%80%9D/p/CP-9020065-NA

But if the PSU causing this shouldn`t I get system failures and other games stutter, the stutter only appears when I move around the world and new testurs should be loaded, best example is Batman Arkham Knight....this piece of upotimized code can run 120 FPS with all Nvidia stuff in frame, but As I start moving thrugh the world it drops to 40 and stutter as hell


 
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nope...F3 version for Z87x-D3h-cf Gigabyte motherboard. Some BIOS` can be unstable, also why BIOS or PSU cause stutter on OW games and don`t in usual gaems like FPS like DOOM 2016?
 
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That PSu is fine, a little old but a good one.

I agree on updating the BIOS it can cause strange issues such as this. I would also try taking off the overclock and see what happens, if it still has the issue then take off the overclock on the GPU as well (if it is overclocked). And see what happens. Then OC the CPU again.
 
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OC is not the cause, already turned OFF OC, tried only CPU OC, only GPU OC. I just don`t understand why on a SSD the open world games stuggle to load new cells in games like Fallout 4 or GTA V, when i`m in the limit of loaded cells it`s solid 60 FPS 16.6 framepacing - it`s perfect! But as soon the game start to load a big chunks of the world I get this microstutter. Older games like saint`s row 4 doesn`t have this issue and funny thing that if I limit FPS in GTA below low 40s it perfectly smooth, but you can see that my system is good enough for 1080p gaming. I just don`t understand the PC gaming and it`s master race...I guess it will remain as mystery why open world games that run at high frame rates stutter

As for Samsung EVO 850 SSD I start to get suspicions it`s cables or ATA port on MB that can cause it, can it? I didn`t asume that because of the SSD speet tests - 500 mB Write/ 500 mb Read, also tested with AIDA with linear read test - no spikes, dips or anything...you see the problem when you move, right, so maybe it`s the SSD?
 
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One thing about "stutter" I don't think what you are calling stutter and what I was diagnosing is the same. Are you talking about screen tearing? because in an open world game over 60 fps that makes a lot more sense. And the only way to prevent that is v-sync or If you have the monitor G-sync. Even a 120hz monitor will not prevent that. The fact you are saying if you limit the fps its fine is telling me thats the issue you are seeing, that the view cuts a bit across the screen and "stutters", its actually normal.
 
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Nan man, with vsync or off it`s still occurs when i`m on 60 FPS or above and when moving around the world to load textures and models from a SSD (how do I dignose SSD?) and as for locked FPS - ALL THE ISSUES are gone when FPS is locked to 30 or 36 (3 FPS per frame gives better framepacing) but I want to play with unlocked FPS and yes 144Hz monitor was such a waste, because screen tearing is there, not like hafl the screen is teared, but some mini tears across the screen. I`m so lost with this, spent half a sallary on SSD upgrade and RAM and all I got was high fps and pain in the ass with those microstutter (you saw the FPS graph with FPS and pacing those micropaused for nearly half a second killing me)

PS: man, thank you for helping me, never tried the tom`s hardware site, it`s nice here, not like on other sites where only advice I get is re-install windows or buy new hardware.
 
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Hey so first off do not bump threads ok?

Secondly can you maybe record this for me somehow so we can see it happening?

To confirm you're playing your games off the Samsung SSD right? I'm assuming its not full theres a decent amount of free space.
 
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I guess no need for that the cause was very old windows, yesterday I`ve installed win 10 on second ssd (logic partition GPT) and the stutter reduced I was not completly gone, but far better now in fallout 4 and batman arkham knight, theres very little stutter
 
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