Question Suggestions for a graphics card upgrade ?

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if you want nvidia a 12gb 3060 is probably the best option tho that psu is a E tier you should probably upgrade it aswell
 

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whats your budget ?

stay away from 8gb rubbish or you will regret it later !! 12 or 16gb at the min..

think twice about the 4060ti 16gb the bus speed nerfs it !!

6700xt 12 gb Intel arc 770 16gb both great cards ..

or wait till the 7800xt launches 16gb and i think it going to be the 4060 ti 16gb beater, what we don't know yet is the price !!
 
You want to spend $400 on an RTX 3060? WHY??? OMG no, that would be terrible!

You'd be much better served by the RX 6700 because:
Sapphire Radeon RX 6700 Pulse 10GB - $280

Hell, for just $30 more than that $400 RTX 3060, you could get an RX 6800, a card that is 65% faster than the RTX 3060 and has an extra 4GB of VRAM! Now, sure, your PSU could never handle an RX 6800 but it sure just goes to show you how terrible a purchase it would be to buy an RTX 3060 for $400. Hell, the RTX 4060 Ti is considered a terrible buy at $400 and it's the newer card!

I don't know what on Earth attracted you to an RTX 3060 for $400 but that would be easily the worst GPU purchasing decision of your life if you were to buy that.

If you don't want to buy another PSU, just get the RX 6700 for $280 and be done with it; knowing that you got a superior product for $120 less.
 
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Well, he was looking at an RTX 3060 for $400. I was like, "WTF?!"
stay away from 8gb rubbish or you will regret it later !! 12 or 16gb at the min..
If he's looking at an RTX 3060, then he's only looking to game at 1080p and for that, 8GB would be enough for a few years yet and 10GB would be good for 5+ years.
think twice about the 4060ti 16gb the bus speed nerfs it !!
And it's an overpriced turkey too.
6700xt 12 gb Intel arc 770 16gb both great cards ..
His PSU probably can't handle the RX 6700 XT, which is why I recommended the RX 6700.
or wait till the 7800xt launches 16gb and i think it going to be the 4060 ti 16gb beater, what we don't know yet is the price !!
There already is an RTX 4060 Ti 16GB beater called the RX 6800 XT ;):
 

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hello, thank you for the responses, the reason i was thinking of getting the 3060 was it's price, it doesn't have to be nvidia, i am getting the card first as stepping stone into saving for future pc parts, as it will most likely cost the most out of all of it and as much as i need to upgrade my other parts, my graphics card seems to be showing it's age in games, can barely play some games on low setttings.
 
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Well, he was looking at an RTX 3060 for $400. I was like, "WTF?!"

If he's looking at an RTX 3060, then he's only looking to game at 1080p and for that, 8GB would be enough for a few years yet and 10GB would be good for 5+ years.

And it's an overpriced turkey too.

His PSU probably can't handle the RX 6700 XT, which is why I recommended the RX 6700.

There already is an RTX 4060 Ti 16GB beater called the RX 6800 XT ;):
6800xt is getting scarce as is last gen decent stuff not many if any 6900xt's or the 6950s 6700xt's all becoming rarities 8gb is still rubbish and i warn against buying anything 8gb ( im not the person buying low tier cards and i understand every one has different disposable income ) ..
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worse case you buy 8gb rubbish and you want to play a modern game by chance and the card cant handle it so for the extra money spent now you have a longer life span card without wasting money on junk !!

I liken this to Nvidia scamming there customers with rubbish 8gb cards to buy the 4060ti 16gb knowing full well people that have bought the junk spends more on the better( well so called better card ) or straight up buys the more expensive card !! look at the 3 3080s the 2 3090s 2 4070s 3 4060s

Dont get me wrong the RX 7600 is a pig to !!

Ive run my power color 6700xt spectral white hellhound with a 5600x off a 750w psu ( not presently in a build ) with no issues. 12gb card not amazing in 2023 but better than the 8gb junk !!
 
6800xt is getting scarce as is last gen decent stuff not many if any 6900xt's or the 6950s 6700xt's all becoming rarities 8gb is still rubbish and i warn against buying anything 8gb ( im not the person buying low tier cards and i understand every one has different disposable income ) ..
There's still a good number of them out there for good prices:

RX 6700:
XFX Speedster SWFT 309 - Amazon: $270, Newegg: $278, B&H: $281
Sapphire Pulse - Newegg: $280, Amazon: $310

RX 6700 XT:
ASRock Challenger D - Newegg: $330, Amazon: $360
Powercolor Fighter - Newegg: $340, Amazon: $350
ASRock Phantom Gaming D - Newegg: $340

RX 6750 XT:
ASRock Challenger Pro OC - Newegg: $350
MSi Gaming X Trio - Newegg: $370, Amazon: $380
ASRock Phantom Gaming D - Newegg: $370
Gigabyte Gaming OC - Newegg: $380

RX 6800:
XFX Speedster SWFT 319 - Newegg: $430
Powercolor Fighter - Newegg: $450

RX 6800 XT:
XFX Speedster MERC 319 Core - Amazon: $504, Newegg: $530
ASRock Phantom Gaming D OC - Newegg: $510
XFX Speedster SWFT 319 - Amazon: $520, Newegg: $530
ASRock Taichi - Newegg: $540

RX 6900 XT:
None

RX 6950 XT:
XFX Speedster MERC 319 - B&H: $590, Amazon: $630, Best Buy: $640
ASRock Phantom Gaming OC - Newegg: $640

So, yeah, the 6900 XT is long gone but all of the others are more than numerous enough to be considered viable purchasing options.
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worse case you buy 8gb rubbish and you want to play a modern game by chance and the card cant handle it so for the extra money spent now you have a longer life span card without wasting money on junk !!
Well, it depends... for modern AAA titles, yeah, it can be a problem, especially above 1080p. For online games, hell, even 4GB is enough. :LOL:
I liken this to Nvidia scamming there customers with rubbish 8gb cards to buy the 4060ti 16gb knowing full well people that have bought the junk spends more on the better( well so called better card ) or straight up buys the more expensive card !! look at the 3 3080s the 2 3090s 2 4070s 3 4060s
You're preaching to the choir here. I used to have GeForce cards. I had an Albatron GeForce FX 5200, an XFX GeForce 6200, a PNY GeForce 8400 GS PCI (for diagnostic work only) and a Palit GeForce 8500 GT.

Here's the list of video cards that I've owned since then:

2 x XFX Radeon HD 4870
1 x XFX Radeon HD 5450
1 x Dell Radeon HD 5870
1 x XFX Radeon HD 6450
2 x Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970
2 x Sapphire Radeon R9 Fury
1 x XFX Radeon RX 5700 XT
1 x Powercolor Radeon RX 6500 XT
1 x ASRock Radeon RX 6600
1 x O.G. ATi Radeon RX 6800 XT
1 x ASRock RX 7900 XTX

When I saw that the Radeon HD 4870 offered the same performance as the GeForce GTX 260 for $200 less, I never looked back and never bought GeForce again. My craptop has a GeForce GTX 1050 Mobile discrete card in addition to the Vega 8 that came with my R5-3500U APU. However, since I paid the same price for my ASUS Vivobook with that GTX 1050 as other craptops with the same specs that didn't have it, as far as I'm concerned, I got it for free. ;)
Dont get me wrong the RX 7600 is a pig to !!
Yeah, but that price will fall to something civilised before too long.
Ive run my power color 6700xt spectral white hellhound with a 5600x off a 750w psu ( not presently in a build ) with no issues. 12gb card not amazing in 2023 but better than the 8gb junk !!
I couldn't agree more. I was using an RX 6800 XT but when I heard whispers of AMD, Intel and nVidia dedicating a huge chunk of their fab allocations to GPUs for AI. I heard whispers that this will cause a new GPU shortage. Coupled with the fact that ATi isn't going to produce a high-end card in their next generation, I was getting antsy. See, the first GPU-shortage from mining was in 2017 and I got extremely lucky because games weren't using Crossfire anymore and so I was kinda stuck with a single HD 7970. I got lucky because out of nowhere, Newegg had the Sapphire R9 Fury for less than half the going rate for an RX 580 at the time. I bought one and some months later, I bought a second one because it was some refurbished Sapphire Nitro (same as the first) for only $100. The second mining craze really got me bad as I ended up paying too much for my RX 6800 XT. I did far better than most but it was still too much. So, this time, I said "Screw this!" and bought an open-box ASRock Radeon RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming OC from Newegg for the equivalent of $845USD.

I won't make that mistake again.
 
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if i need a new psu first, thats going to be tricky, i wasn't expecting to get one right away, last time i looked psu prices were not that high, geez.
 

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There's still a good number of them out there for good prices:

RX 6700:
XFX Speedster SWFT 309 - Amazon: $270, Newegg: $278, B&H: $281
Sapphire Pulse - Newegg: $280, Amazon: $310

RX 6700 XT:
ASRock Challenger D - Newegg: $330, Amazon: $360
Powercolor Fighter - Newegg: $340, Amazon: $350
ASRock Phantom Gaming D - Newegg: $340

RX 6750 XT:
ASRock Challenger Pro OC - Newegg: $350
MSi Gaming X Trio - Newegg: $370, Amazon: $380
ASRock Phantom Gaming D - Newegg: $370
Gigabyte Gaming OC - Newegg: $380

RX 6800:
XFX Speedster SWFT 319 - Newegg: $430
Powercolor Fighter - Newegg: $450

RX 6800 XT:
XFX Speedster MERC 319 Core - Amazon: $504, Newegg: $530
ASRock Phantom Gaming D OC - Newegg: $510
XFX Speedster SWFT 319 - Amazon: $520, Newegg: $530
ASRock Taichi - Newegg: $540

RX 6900 XT:
None

RX 6950 XT:
XFX Speedster MERC 319 - B&H: $590, Amazon: $630, Best Buy: $640
ASRock Phantom Gaming OC - Newegg: $640

So, yeah, the 6900 XT is long gone but all of the others are more than numerous enough to be considered viable purchasing options.

Well, it depends... for modern AAA titles, yeah, it can be a problem, especially above 1080p. For online games, hell, even 4GB is enough. :LOL:

You're preaching to the choir here. I used to have GeForce cards. I had an Albatron GeForce FX 5200, an XFX GeForce 6200, a PNY GeForce 8400 GS PCI (for diagnostic work only) and a Palit GeForce 8500 GT.

Here's the list of video cards that I've owned since then:

2 x XFX Radeon HD 4870
1 x XFX Radeon HD 5450
1 x Dell Radeon HD 5870
1 x XFX Radeon HD 6450
2 x Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970
2 x Sapphire Radeon R9 Fury
1 x XFX Radeon RX 5700 XT
1 x Powercolor Radeon RX 6500 XT
1 x ASRock Radeon RX 6600
1 x O.G. ATi Radeon RX 6800 XT
1 x ASRock RX 7900 XTX

When I saw that the Radeon HD 4870 offered the same performance as the GeForce GTX 260 for $200 less, I never looked back and never bought GeForce again. My craptop has a GeForce GTX 1050 Mobile discrete card in addition to the Vega 8 that came with my R5-3500U APU. However, since I paid the same price for my ASUS Vivobook with that GTX 1050 as other craptops with the same specs that didn't have it, as far as I'm concerned, I got it for free. ;)

Yeah, but that price will fall to something civilised before too long.

I couldn't agree more. I was using an RX 6800 XT but when I heard whispers of AMD, Intel and nVidia dedicating a huge chunk of their fab allocations to GPUs for AI. I heard whispers that this will cause a new GPU shortage. Coupled with the fact that ATi isn't going to produce a high-end card in their next generation, I was getting antsy. See, the first GPU-shortage from mining was in 2017 and I got extremely lucky because games weren't using Crossfire anymore and so I was kinda stuck with a single HD 7970. I got lucky because out of nowhere, Newegg had the Sapphire R9 Fury for less than half the going rate for an RX 580 at the time. I bought one and some months later, I bought a second one because it was some refurbished Sapphire Nitro (same as the first) for only $100. The second mining craze really got me bad as I ended up paying too much for my RX 6800 XT. I did far better than most but it was still too much. So, this time, I said "Screw this!" and bought an open-box ASRock Radeon RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming OC from Newegg for the equivalent of $845USD.

I won't make that mistake again.
I only started building computers 4 years ago since then ive used a 3700x 5600x 5800x3d 10850k 7600x 7800x3d .. few days back i built a 5600g b550i in a In win b1 for mum to use word and just surf the net ..

Just built a 7700 6800xt using a rog strix b650E-I gaming wifi , 280mm arctic freezer ii ARGB corsair 850w psu for a friend like today so far everything has worked out nicely just need to finish setting up windows..

( these lower boards need to be connected via ethernet to download the network adapter drivers )

Add the picture to the LCD on the Jonsbo d31 mesh lcd case and set up the rgb lighting job done !!

ohh i need a GPU support for the MSI gaming z trio 6800xt !

Im actually really impressed with how it turned out !!

GPU's ive used and have 5700xt red devil sadly sold it ( all be it at the height of the gpu shortage for more than i paid for it ) i currently have a powercolor 6650xt sakura hell hound , 6900xt red devil , 7900xtx red devil , 6700xt spectral white hellound and the ARC770 16gb ( the arc 770 is a build in process blue black with a b760i and a 13600k have the mobo just need the ram and 13600k )

I really wouldnt buy used or open box would rather spend the $$$ and get a warranty etc etc ( just me i guess )

That said i would buy a 5700xt red devil card again ( obviously used ) for a old school build ..

Still think the 5700xt red devil is the best looking of the air cooled devils !!
 
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if i need a new psu first, thats going to be tricky, i wasn't expecting to get one right away, last time i looked psu prices were not that high, geez.
The reason that S12-3 was kicked to E tier is its massive lack of protection inside of it. I would absolutely replace your PSU later, especially if your grid isn't particularly stable.

Good shout on 6700XT and 6800 non XT, that would be what I pair with LGA 1151 system before id consider CPU upgrade too.
 
I only started building computers 4 years ago since then ive used a 3700x 5600x 5800x3d 10850k 7600x 7800x3d .. few days back i built a 5600g b550i in a In win b1 for mum to use word and just surf the net ..

Just built a 7700 6800xt using a rog strix b650E-I gaming wifi , 280mm arctic freezer ii ARGB corsair 850w psu for a friend like today so far everything has worked out nicely just need to finish setting up windows..

( these lower boards need to be connected via ethernet to download the network adapter drivers )

Add the picture to the LCD on the Jonsbo d31 mesh lcd case and set up the rgb lighting job done !!

ohh i need a GPU support for the MSI gaming z trio 6800xt !

Im actually really impressed with how it turned out !!
It sounds really nice. You should post pics. ;)(y)
GPU's ive used and have 5700xt red devil sadly sold it ( all be it at the height of the gpu shortage for more than i paid for it ) i currently have a powercolor 6650xt sakura hell hound , 6900xt red devil , 7900xtx red devil , 6700xt spectral white hellound and the ARC770 16gb ( the arc 770 is a build in process blue black with a b760i and a 13600k have the mobo just need the ram and 13600k )
Yeah, the RX 5700 XT was one of the premier cards for mining during the craze.
I really wouldnt buy used or open box would rather spend the $$$ and get a warranty etc etc ( just me i guess )
You may not realise this but an open-box item from Newegg has full warranty. I read their terms and open-box items still get the 30 day return window and they aslo get the full warranty from the manufacturer (in this case, ASRock). Open-box are so-called because they don't come with any extra bits that a new one might have. In this case, it wasn't a big deal to me because the ASRock Radeon RX 7900 XTX doesn't come with any extra bits anyway. What I didn't get was the premium Starfield bundle but I don't care about that because I already claimed a standard bundle with an RX 6600 that I bought specifically for that purpose. I'll sell it to a coworker for $50CAD off the price. That way, I get the game for half-price and he gets a brand-new card for $50 off.

An incredible coincidence has just occurred. Newegg now has the new RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming for only $56CAD more than I paid for the open-box ($1,199 instead of $1,143) and it comes with the Premium Starfield bundle! I ordered one and have already printed out a shipping label to return the one I ordered last week. Now I'll have two Starfield codes
That said i would buy a 5700xt red devil card again ( obviously used ) for a old school build ..

Still think the 5700xt red devil is the best looking of the air cooled devils !!
I actually still have my RX 5700 XT. It's an XFX THICC-III model. It is absolutely GIGANTIC, about the same size as my ASRock RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming OC (I compared them):
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Holy hell, those are incredible! You my friend have a real talent for this!

I'm going to guess that your sister's card is a Powercolor RX 6700 XT Fighter but it could be a card from the RX 6600 family as well.

The RX 6800 XT is unfortunately an MSi, unfortunate because I absolutely HATE that brand. I had a terrible experience back in the day with a flagship motherboard (K9A2 Platinum), I told them that I'd never buy another MSi product again and I have kept my word.

As for the last one, well, you could call it "Sympathy for the Devil!" and it's definitely my favourite! :giggle:

You've been building for four years and I've been building for thiry-five but we've followed similar paths in the time that you've been at it. We both have RX 5700 XTs, we both have RX 6800 XTs and now we both have RX 7900 XTXs. You show great wisdom in your rejection of Intel and nVidia because they've done nothing to deserve being able to fleece consumers as they have.

It's kinda funny when you compare our current cards (our XTXs) because....

You have a Devil...
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and I have a Phantom...
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You know, friendships have been forged by less. I've also never seen a situation where an Aussie and a Canuck didn't get along. It must be a Commonwealth thing. Maybe it's because we both know how to spell the word "favourite". Speaking of which, it might entertain you to know that Radeons are technically a Commonwealth product because all Radeons are born in Canada. ;)

Your builds are just amazing, even that one "infected" with the Gaming-X Trio! :ROFLMAO:

Mine doesn't look nearly as impressive but that's because I use an old-school Server SuperTower that doesn't have a glass side. It's about 15kg of heavy-gauge steel and it's enormous. I was never able to bring myself to use anything else. I do have newer glass-side cases to use but I just can't bring myself to give up on having so much room to work with!

Just look at this old video from Tiger Direct and you might understand. This is what my build looks like from the outside (Kinda like Darth Vader's PC...LOL) but when you see just how BIG and spacious it is.... Well, to give you an idea, even with the 5¼" bays up front, the case still has ~360mm of space for video card length. The distance from the back panel to the front panel, including the drive bays is almost exactly 495mm. I never even bother to check if something will fit and here's why:

I think that I'll rename my PC. I used to call it "The Monster in the Black Tower" but maybe now I'll start calling it:
"The Phantom in the Black Tower".

Kinda catchy, eh? ;)
 
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I'm going to guess that your sister's card is a Powercolor RX 6700 XT Fighter but it could be a card from the RX 6600 family as well.
actually that is a rare powercolor 6650xt sakura hellhound
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just a generic pic of the back of it ..

Thank you very much for the complement !!
when i build i like to think of them as a piece of art something to look at as well !!

But its cost ALOT of money ive got like 5 or 6 cases empty looking for that perfect case .. lian li air minis a few scattered nr 200p , nr200p max , thermaltake ceres 500 ive got cpu coolers coming out of every where Noctua NH u12s a NH U12A ( the smaller D15 ) deepcool ak500 digital coolermaster 280mm aio a arctic freezer ii 420mm aio ..

ive got stuff everywhere ..

love the nr200p upside down mod i do im thinking i might do one with the 6700xt spectral white hellhound ive got in all white


As for MSI that msi board in the 5800x3d 6900xt build you see is like my favorite board the MSI Mag x570 tomahawk wifi that was my first board i bought 4 years ago its done the 3700x 5600x 5800x3d it just keeps kicking and kicking

So the MSI 6800xt gaming z trio was kinda second option as the power color red dragon 6800xt was my first but was discontinued after in stock out of stock so i figured MSI has been good to me so i bought it ..

I get the hate if you get a bad product !!

gigabyte has upset me the z590i vision d itx best looking board ever in my opinion ( cant really see it in the pink and white build) the front m.2 doesnt work with the 10850k thats in it only works with 11th gen so im a bit annoyed at that .
My gigabyte b550i aorus pro ax that now lives with a 5600g in a inwin b1 for my mum the network adaptor kept turning off its settled now but it annoyed the sh.t out of me as a result i steer away from gigabyte stuff now ..

apart from what you have seen built ive still got my all intel build on its way in fractal define 7 mini using the ARC770 16gb b760 and waiting to buy a 13600k ( money isnt flowing for me but i love building computers so when i can afford i build ) thats going to go a blue black theme got everything except cpu and ram !!
will post when im finished .

see i love sff builds 100% hard to cool hard to buy parts for with everything getting hotter and getting bigger

Yes the ( black phantom ) case is huge that said i get it sff or alteast smaller form factor is hard to keep things cool and no room for HDD HDD and more HDD drives so if its suits your needs :)
 
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God I want a Jonsbo D41, but I've committed to my themed build. Looks hella good.
the jonsbo d31 and d41 with it lcd screen is super cool but added cost of aida 64 for the pc monitor software !!

but both the 7700 6800xt and my 7800x3d 7900xtx builds both use the d31 but i would go the mesh front lcd over sold ..
 

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You've been building for four years and I've been building for thiry-five but we've followed similar paths in the time that you've been at it. We both have RX 5700 XTs, we both have RX 6800 XTs and now we both have RX 7900 XTXs. You show great wisdom in your rejection of Intel and nVidia because they've done nothing to deserve being able to fleece consumers as they have.
I like Intels cpus that 10850k in the z590i pink and white build i think is a great cpu ..

my sister is disabled and in a wheelchair with limited motor function so we have a dell touch screen monitor so she can use it but its still very limited ..so the computer in general is just something she can mess around with now and then so im not fussed with socket life etc etc !!

what i refuse to like with intel in general is the socket life so im sure you seen me hate on Intel in my posts and its because ( while its there money and there choice ) why buy something thats not going to last 2 years is terrible socket life if intel changed that i would seriously look harder at them ..

Nvidia annoys me because there Vram is flat out terrible in some cases .. 8gb 2023 is a joke
I actually was going to buy the 3080 10gb over the 6900xt red devil last gen 3080 was out of stock so i bought the 6900xt ..
but my hate is the Nvidia's intent on scamming their blindly somewhat idiotic customers with sell the rubbish first super seed it to buy the better card ( ohh wait that is also sh.t ) buy the next better card 3 3080s proved that !!

4090 though thats a monster no doubt .. $2000aud for my 7900xtx red devil VS near on $4000aud for a 4090 i just couldnt afford or warrant that amount !!
but a monster none the less !!
 

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won't lie, always been an amd fan, this build was my first intel cpu, next time it's back to amd, but the 6700 or the if my psu can keep up the 6700xt looks good so far, the XT costs a little more then i want to spend, but if it will last a few more years, then not bad.
 

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No, a very cheaply made, group-regulated, old model. It's a downgrade from your current unimpressive one. You're not going to find anything reputable at this price unless you luck into the exact right, impressive sale, at the right time. It will be very hard to find many recommendable PSUs under $80, and if that's off the table, then the GPU upgrade shouldn't happen until a future time when you can do both.
 

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