Symantec Software Update Rendered Many PCs Useless

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enforcer22: What unified OS is that? The current ACTIVE user base of Windows is: XP, Win7, Vista and Win8 (in that order). Not all software is compatible with all versions of windows... but mostly.

The software on a smart phone is just as REAL as the software on a quad-core i7 desktop. While these mobile devices are not desktops power houses... they are easily more powerful than the desktops from 8+ years ago.
 
What's the story here? Now might be a good time to ditch the decrepit operating system if the funds are available.
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Huh? What garbage is that? The computers were fine... before the patch. So what do you say IF it only effected Windows7? "darn new software - time to go back to something more mature"? What about the intel security bug that ONLY effects INTEL CPUs running on 64bit operating systems? Go AMD and/or install 32bit OS?!

[citation][nom]kristoffe[/nom]no. simply ditch XP. FTW. Why keep that dogshit OS? At least it's not vista, but really, it's not even supported anymore, ergo why use av software that is update-able on such a legacy piece of poop?[/citation] er... not all software or hardware is Win7 (or vista) compatible. At home, I have some older games that WILL NOT run on Win7. At one of my job-locations, almost all PCs are Win7... but we have specialized software and hardware that WILL NOT work on Windows7. Which is stupid... thankyou HP - you morons! How hard is it to make a driver for a $6000 printer?!
 
[citation][nom]coder543[/nom]@Camikaze: this is only one example: http://arstechnica.com/information [...] ng-ubuntu/[/citation]The French police? They still use computers? I heard that ever since they surrendered to Sharia law, they decided they didn't need to use computers to keep track of criminals. I guess they still need to check their email and play browser games, since they're not patrolling their own streets.
 
Vorador2 & ravewulf : Ditch XP? Are any of you guys going to write the network printer driver for our $6000 HP plotter to work under Windows7 (32 and 64bit)?!

Please let me know when you finish it.

And unless YOU are offering to BUY everyone a copy of Windows7... perhaps you shouldn't say stupid things? Then again Linux is free.
 
I've used just about every anti virus worth installing over the years and none of them are perfect. They are either system hogs or viruses in themselves. One will detect a piece of malware that the other misses or one will have claimed to have cleaned a virus that another claims is still a problem that needs to be addressed. I've been using Norton now and I have no complaints. Any of the good free ones would suffice though, along with a good fire wall. Just stay off the porn and public torrent sites and you'd be fine.
 
[citation][nom]Camikazi[/nom]Actually I believe those OSes mass used in a company will raise TCO. Reason being that those OSes usually don't come with built in software maker support like MS has which means IT will have to learn how to fix every little problem themselves instead of having specialists a call away to help fix it fast. That is one problem with free, since it is free there is no one but yourself and maybe scrounging through forums to fix problems. That is one of the reasons a lot of companies stay with MS, it is cheaper overall to use Windows.[/citation]

Of you could have ghosted images handy of your drives containing all installed progs and load it if you have a problem. I was a store manager for a large retailer and we had a server in the back room that had 3 drives. Two ran the store's programs and the POS system in RAID, and another to hold data. The RAID drives were also ghosted, then each workstation had it's own ghost image that dictated program and data access.

It's a good idea to clone your personal drives as a general practice anyway, saves a lot of time reinstalling games, progs settings and doing updates and in many cases, locating driver discs.
 
[citation][nom]JackNaylorPE[/nom]When every Windows "Upgrade" inevitably results in a reduction in PC performance, why should users upgrade ? Most of them still offer sacrifices to t e PC gods that they were wise enough to stick w/ XP over Vista. Aren't XP users getting the same experience on "Patch Tuesday" comes along as other Windows OS users ?When Symantec started spending more development time figuring out who to make PC's go haywire users life miserable the moment when their subscription expired, Symatntec stopped being a company whose products I support.[/citation]

Windows 7- more performance than Windows Vista. Windows 8- more performance than Windows 7. Your logic is fail. Windows 8 creeps up on Windows XP in terms of minute resource usage and i'd bet that the server version is even better, although I have only recently downloaded it from MS and have yet to try it.

[citation][nom]Bloob[/nom]Also the fact that companies often have software that is "windows only", so moving to other platforms might not be possible.[/citation]

Actually, most Windows software can be tricked into working on Linux and to an extent, also on OSX, although there aren't as many tools for doing it on OSX.

[citation][nom]guardianangel42[/nom]Alright, and what's the best 3D modeling, design, and CAD software available on Ubuntu? What's the best video game development software, infrastructure management tools, and medical record keeping software available? Face it, the police don't NEED more than Ubuntu to do what they do. Other people do.[/citation]

You can use most of the Windows software for that stuff if you must. Sure, maybe you'd rather use Windows. I usually do. However, I won't pretend that it can't be done on Linux just as well by anyone who knows how to do it.

[citation][nom]enforcer22[/nom]Yeah i cant wait till the whole world runs on code any hacker can download and watch the fireworks when all this free software blows up and there is no money behind it to stop it.. It would be total irony at that point that MS "saves" the day by being able to combat the issues as it does today with all the money it has backing it and experiance it has fighting all the crap thrown at it.And that artical on the french police.... i was reading it and i swear it said they would need training to use the new windows OS but not linux.. why would someone need training to use something they already know how to use but not something they have never seen before? makes no sense. Most people do thats why no one uses it.I would ditch both.. they are both crap.Yeah instead of a unified OS that runs everything.. Move to a bunch of obscure OS's that might not even work vary well together and no one makes software for. not to mention two 3rds of them cant even run real software.[/citation]

If Windows 8 is what is being referred to as the new Windows OS, then more training can be required if they choose to use Metro extensively.
 
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Took them four days to notice?...

[citation][nom]coder543[/nom]Yes.. time to ditch the decrepit operating system called Windows. Buy Mac, install Linux, use Chromebooks or Tablets. Whatever it takes... it'll most likely end up lowering your IT costs.[/citation]

Any programmer can write a set of code that can crash any OS.

I've seen a business try to upgrade to Linux. They had a hell of a time and were forced to 'downgrade' to Windows 2000 because none of the proprietary business software for specific tasks run Linux.
 
If google exploiting a Safari flaw is Apple's fault, then by the same logic this is Microsoft's fault. How dare they not build an OS to stand the test of time? For businesses, the cost of the system is moot. The cost of the OS is moot. Cost of support is king. Microsoft business support is comparable to Linux (pick a flavor) or Mac. CHANGING is expensive though. For most people, Ubuntu, Mac, or Windows will work. The trouble is convincing People that knowing how to write a hello world program in VB doesn't make them a hardcore geek. Be honest about what you are using your computer for and shop accordingly.
 
[citation][nom]tinmann[/nom]I've used just about every anti virus worth installing over the years and none of them are perfect. They are either system hogs or viruses in themselves. One will detect a piece of malware that the other misses or one will have claimed to have cleaned a virus that another claims is still a problem that needs to be addressed. I've been using Norton now and I have no complaints. Any of the good free ones would suffice though, along with a good fire wall. Just stay off the porn and public torrent sites and you'd be fine.[/citation]

The good free ones are better than Norton, at least in my experience with recent Norton AV versions. The free version of Avast seems to be the best out there right now. Avira and MS's free AV are also pretty good.
 
I see people are living in the xp days. Not a single crash on windows 7. Symantec is the culprit here. I for one use Comodo AV & Firewall and its FREE.
 
[citation][nom]mariojp[/nom]I see people are living in the xp days. Not a single crash on windows 7. Symantec is the culprit here. I for one use Comodo AV & Firewall and its FREE.[/citation]

Comodo's free AV has poor detection rates compared to the free versions of Avast, Avira, and also MS's AV. However, their free firewall is excellent and might even be the best free Windows firewall.
 
Oh really. Why is it that when i plug in a flash drive it automatically display that it found what could be a virus. I am not sure what version you were using at that time. All i know they seem to be on top of their updates. I had to turn it off at times because there are utilities it was being flagged due to their nature. And that is a pretty good detection to me.
 
[citation][nom]mariojp[/nom]Oh really. Why is it that when i plug in a flash drive it automatically display that it found what could be a virus. I am not sure what version you were using at that time. All i know they seem to be on top of their updates. I had to turn it off at times because there are utilities it was being flagged due to their nature. And that is a pretty good detection to me.[/citation]

I said that Comodo's free AV is not even close to being the best AV, not that it is junk. It isn't junk; it is simply not nearly as good as a few others. I've used recent versions as well as older versions.
 
That fat man looks very disappointed. Tears of butter seem to be coming out of his eyes.

Right back to symantec: I don't use them so ehh. They've become a huge resource hog, and haven't fixed that yet. Nod32, Webroot SecureAnyWare, and Kaspersky are my top 3.
 
[citation][nom]coder543[/nom]Yes.. time to ditch the decrepit operating system called Windows. Buy Mac, install Linux, use Chromebooks or Tablets. Whatever it takes... it'll most likely end up lowering your IT costs.[/citation]

Best not to delve into fields in which you are obviously not qualified.


[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]Actually, most Windows software can be tricked into working on Linux and to an extent, also on OSX...[/citation]

In some cases this will work, but this is not an option for industries that will get shut down for non-compliance with standards, usually safety monitoring. Some software is certified for XP. The developer may still be writing a version for 7 or it's in the process of being certified. Until that time XP is the only option if the doors are to remain open.

[citation][nom]belardo[/nom]Vorador2 & ravewulf : Ditch XP? Are any of you guys going to write the network printer driver for our $6000 HP plotter to work under Windows7 (32 and 64bit)?![/citation]

... or any of our $1.5 million/each production lines? Well, that's not exactly just a driver....
 
[citation][nom]coder543[/nom]Yes.. time to ditch the decrepit operating system called Windows. Buy Mac, install Linux, use Chromebooks or Tablets. Whatever it takes... it'll most likely end up lowering your IT costs.[/citation]
buy mac? have you ever work in your whole life? are you insane or what?
 
[citation][nom]tinmann[/nom]I've used just about every anti virus worth installing over the years and none of them are perfect. They are either system hogs or viruses in themselves. One will detect a piece of malware that the other misses or one will have claimed to have cleaned a virus that another claims is still a problem that needs to be addressed. I've been using Norton now and I have no complaints. Any of the good free ones would suffice though, along with a good fire wall. Just stay off the porn and public torrent sites and you'd be fine.[/citation]
porn sites are safer than average religion sites, go and google that fact, also torrents dont have virus if you have a brain see the files before downloading
 
More specifically, affected customers saw blue screens after applying Proactive Threat Protection definition version July 11, 2012 rev 11.
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Well, it really is a proactive feature. Can't get infected if the computer doesn't work, right?
 
My company uses SEP 11 MRU 7, no issues here. Its apparently only an update for SEP 12... interesting, so maybe it wasn't just an AV signature update as much as a SEP 12 software one? I wonder what the update actually does to the client machines? Contrary to popular belief, the upgrade from SEP 10 - 11 ( though not an easy one) actually sped up the client machines, all of which are STILL running XP (still crazy slow, but we have celerons w/ 256 MB RAM lol) . On that note, we are currently working on upgrading all workstation to Win 7 as XP and SEP 11 are only supported until 2014.
 
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