Build Advice System upgrade - my turn in the queue

Capt_Carl

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I came here this morning looking for upgrade guidance and clearly see that I am not alone. My current base system is a 2013 build and does not meet the requirements for Windows 11. Despite reasonable performance, given the age of its components, occasional stability issues, and the Windows restriction, I figure it is time to upgrade. I haven't kept up on the latest tech. I worked in IT security until 2020 when I retired (yup, gray haired dude here). Here is my present setup:
  • Antec Sonata Solo II ATX case (two case fans with a third fan bay available)
  • Corsair AX850 Gold PSU
  • MSI Z77A-G45 motherboard
  • Intel I7-2700K processor
  • 16 GB G.SKILL Ripjaws Series DDR 3 memory (4 x 4GB)
  • MSI Gaming GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB GDRR5 (Duke 8G) GPU
  • PNY CS1311 240 GB SSD SATA III (C: drive)
  • SanDisk SSD 1GB SATA III Drive (Games)
  • Western Digital WD Green WD7500AARX 750GB SATA 6.0Gb/s hard disk (document files)
  • HITACHI HDS721010CLA332 1TB SATA 300 hard disk (RAW image files and videos)
I'd like to keep the case, PSU, and GPU for now if reasonable. Keeping the PSU assumes the MB power connectors haven't changed or I can order a new connector cable. My objective is to create a similar machine that has similar longevity/future proofing regarding performance specs. Not top end, but good. I play World of Warships regularly and want to install one of the new flight sims, possibly Microsoft Flight Sim. I do a fair amount of amateur photography editing and am starting to play with video editing. Finally, I'm not stuck on Intel. I'd be willing to flip to AMD if it would better serve my needs, be more cost effective, or provide a significant improvement in power usage. Thanks.
 
I suggest that you fill out this form at the best of your ability and post the results here,
link: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/how-to-ask-for-new-build-or-upgrade-advice.528714/

Budget would be the main factor, on deciding which parts to suggest for you.
And yes, you can keep your current PC case, GPU and PSU. Albeit your PSU has some age on to it.

If you want a guideline on how to fill out the form i linked, you can look my topic, which i created a month ago, when i was in the very same situation as you currently are.
Link: https://forums.tomshardware.com/thr...d-ryzen-9000-vs-intel-core-ultra-200.3876180/
Take it as a formatting guideline. Though, my topic is now concluded.
 
I do a fair amount of amateur photography editing and am starting to play with video editing. Finally, I'm not stuck on Intel. I'd be willing to flip to AMD if it would better serve my needs, be more cost effective, or provide a significant improvement in power usage.
I'm running an AMD 7950X CPU on my photo editing rig because it consumes less power than the equivalent Intel CPU, which is important when you're paying the equivalent of US $0.34 per kWhr.

I have an NVidia GPU in preference to an AMD GPU, because video editing software tends to have better support for NVidia.

Running flat out on 4K video upscales, the rig consumed 400W with an RTX 3060 12GB. I've not measured power now that I've upgraded to an RTX 4070 12GB GPU.

Corsair AX850 Gold PSU
With a 2013 PSU, even a AX series, I'd consider buying a new PSU. I don't think Corsair warranties exceed 12 years and the electrolytics in your AX850 might be slowly drying out, with the increased likelihood of a mild explosion at some point.

My current base system is a 2013 build and does not meet the requirements for Windows 11.
If you feel like messing around first, buy a SATA SSD, disconnect all your existing drives and install Windows 11 using Rufus. You can get used to the new Windows 11 interface.
https://windowsforum.com/threads/ho...restrictions-and-create-local-account.348702/
 
Is the CPU overkill? Probably, but I think it's better value than the lower core count ones, at least for now. And considering the length of time you want to use it for...:)

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7900X 4.7 GHz 12-Core Processor ($342.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 140 77.8 CFM CPU Cooler ($47.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Acer Predator GM7000 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($125.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $865.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-04-07 08:50 EDT-0400
 
You will find that AMD and Intel processors are comparable on a price/performance basis.

My suggestion is to look into the new Intel Ultra series, perhaps the $300 Ultra 245K.
They are particularly power efficient.
As a gaming processor, they did not do so well compared to the AMD X3D processors.
Newegg reviews of actual users seem to be very happy with them.

Your PSU is a very good one with a 7 year warranty.
A PSU does age, but I would be inclined to reuse it so long as it seems to work.
The wattage is plenty.

You can reuse the case, but it has limited airflow if you want to use a hot processor or graphics card.
Stronger front intake fans can compensate.
I would reuse it for starters.
If you need a dvd drive, most new cases do not come so equipped.

You can reuse your drives.
But, I would plan on a m.2 pcie SSD upgrade for the C drive
 
That asus tuf gaming b650 is a decent board. That’s what I’m running myself. I’ve got the ryzen 7 7700 non x.

I would personally plan on replacing the psu. While the current unit is good quality, 12 years is a while ago.

If you wanted to save you could look at CPUs like the ryzen 7 7700 or 9700x now and always swap later. Your current i7 is probably 4 cores 8 threads so an 8 core 16 threads would likely seem big. Plus the advances in ipc etc.

Definitely plan for an nvme ssd for your boot drive.
 
I suggest that you fill out this form at the best of your ability and post the results here,
link: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/how-to-ask-for-new-build-or-upgrade-advice.528714/
Thanks and thanks to all the responders thus far. Greatly appreciated. To provide that slightly more complete picture as you suggest, here is the form with my responses:

Approximate Purchase Date: by Apr 25

Budget Range: About $400 to 600 for the CPU/MB combination before adding memory and a new C drive.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Photo editing and gaming are about equal, followed by Web surfing activities

Are you buying a monitor: No, I currently have two 24” 1080p LG monitors, an MP59HT and a 24ML44B-B

Parts to Upgrade:

  • MSI Z77A-G45 motherboard
  • Intel I7-2700K processor
  • 16 GB G.SKILL Ripjaws Series DDR 3 memory (4 x 4GB)
  • PNY CS1311 240 GB SSD SATA III (C: drive)

Parts keeping for now:

  • Antec Sonata Solo II ATX case (two case fans with a third fan bay available)​
  • Corsair AX850 Gold PSU​
  • SanDisk SSD 1GB SATA III Drive (Games)​
  • Western Digital WD Green WD7500AARX 750GB SATA 6.0Gb/s hard disk (document files)​
  • HITACHI HDS721010CLA332 1TB SATA 300 hard disk (RAW image files and videos)​
  • LG WH12LS39 Blu-Ray player and disk writer​

Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg, Best Buy, and Amazon

Location: Hampden, MA, USA --- 35 minutes from nearest Best Buy and 90 minutes from downtown Boston

Parts Preferences: I’m not married to either CPU company and open to any reliable MB manufacturer. Went with MSI in current rig due to strong reliability ratings. Open to any reputable memory storage manufacturers. I will likely stick with nVidia for a GPU.

Overclocking: Probably not and if I do, it will be later in the machine’s life. I bought that capability with my current system, but never tried it. If overclocking is not available in a really good preforming MB and that saves me a bunch of money, I likely won't miss it.

Multiple GPUs: Possibly, but probably not. Regardless, two PCIe slots for video card is preferred.

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080 @ 75Hz

Additional Comments: I’m not into flashy computers. Prefer simple. Don’t need lots of lights. Prefer a quieter system which explains the Antec Solo case. I would also like to keep power requirements lower just to reduce my energy bill a little. Key software:
• MS Office
• Nikon NX Studio
• GIMP
• Corel Paint Shop
• Corel Video Studio
• World of Warships
• MS Flight Sim (future)

Why Are You Upgrading: Win 10 support ending and system is not meet Microsoft’s Windows 11 requirements

Hope that helps.
 
X3D CPUs are really good for games and will most likely continue to be 5-10 years from now. They are expensive because of demand, and also rarely go on sale because of that. The 7800X3D or a 9800X3D are the obvious options. The non X3D CPUs are also great for gaming, just not best in class, but you can get more cores than a similar X3D for less. The 7900x/9900x or the 7950x/9950x are the obvious choices in a perfect world, though I am not sure the budget for the latter two is possible. Here are my recommendations:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($409.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($35.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B850 EAGLE WIFI6E ATX AM5 Motherboard ($172.93 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Venom 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial T500 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $892.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-04-08 01:12 EDT-0400


or

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X 4.5 GHz 16-Core Processor ($480.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($35.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B850 EAGLE WIFI6E ATX AM5 Motherboard ($172.93 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Venom 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial T500 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $963.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-04-08 01:13 EDT-0400


Can substitute in a 9900x if you are uncomfortable going a bit over budget for the 16 core 7950x CPU.
 
To provide that slightly more complete picture as you suggest, here is the form with my responses:
👍

Now we know what we're dealing with and can give you accurate suggestions.

My objective is to create a similar machine that has similar longevity/future proofing regarding performance specs. Not top end, but good.
Core i7 back then was top-end. So.... 🤔

Budget Range: About $400 to 600 for the CPU/MB combination before adding memory and a new C drive.
Besides the two builds by helper800, here's 3rd option as well;
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 4.7 GHz 8-Core Processor ($479.00 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($35.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B850 EAGLE WIFI6E ATX AM5 Motherboard ($172.93 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($168.90 @ Amazon)
Total: $931.72
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-04-08 01:40 EDT-0400


Few words;
CPU - The best gaming CPU currently out there.
Review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/

R7 7800X3D is 2nd best gaming CPU out there, while R7 9800X3D is current king. And it would hold up for the future very well.
R7 7800X3D is still solid gaming CPU, but depending on a game you play on 1080p, FPS diff could be up to 30 FPS in favor of R7 9800X3D.
Testing results: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/18.html

CPU cooler - King of air coolers. None are better, especially at that price point. So, it is essentially the only option (unless you want to pay far more money for negligible difference if you go with e.g Noctua or any AIO water cooler).

MoBo - Currently solid value option. Though, most AM5 socket MoBos are easily 200+ bucks, so, it is hard to find sub-200 MoBo. It is B850 chipset, so, almost the best you could currently pick for AMD (AM5) MoBo. The best would be X870/X870E chipset, but those cost far more money. As of what you'd be giving up; some PCI-E lanes, few USB ports and a bit slower wi-fi (6E vs 7).
AM5 chipset comparison: https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/chipsets/am5.html#specs

RAM - For AM5 platform, current sweet spot in terms of frequency is 6000 MT/s. 6400 MT/s tops. So, put in 2x 16GB (32GB) 6400 MT/s RAM, with CL32 (1st word latency 10ns). It is double the amount of RAM what you currently have, so, i think it would suffice. But if you do need more RAM at future date, buying new RAM and replacing it is far easier than e.g replacing CPU. So, to keep current costs down, i didn't include 2x 32GB (64GB) RAM.

SSD - Samsung 990 Pro 2TB. IMO, the most reliable and durable SSD out there. (All Samsung SSDs are actually known for their reliability and durability). Sure, the Crucial T500 does outperform 990 Pro a tiny bit,
review: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crucial-2tb-t500-ssd-review/2

But i, personally, am not that confident in Crucial reliability. I'm using Samsung drives myself (both 2.5" SATA SSD and M.2 PCI-E 3.0 SSDs) and they all have hold up for many years thus far. The oldest M.2 Samsung drive i have (960 Evo) is now 7 years old. While the oldest Samsung 2.5" SATA SSD i have (850 Evo) is 8 years old now. And they still work fine.
Overall, your call on which M.2 SSD to go for.
990 Pro review: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-990-pro-ssd-review


Since i'm in the same boat as you currently are (need to upgrade my systems as well), i'm planning to go with the very same CPU, CPU cooler and M.2 SSD as well. Though, i'm looking towards more feature rich (and expensive) MoBo myself, while going with cheaper 2x 8GB (16GB) RAM, which i plan to upgrade at later date.

Do you need to buy OS: No
Do note that with new build (new MoBo), you need to make a new, clean Win installation. And depending on which version of OS you currently have (retail or OEM), you may or may not buy a new license.

Since my builds are using OEM licenses, i have to buy new Win licenses as well.

Here's a guide on how to activate Win11 license,
link: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...e-b399-2820fda32227#windowsversion=windows_11

Now, if your current Win10 license is retail, then you can link it to your Micro$oft account and use the same license key again, by 1st deactivating license on your current build. But if you have OEM version of Win, then new license is only option. Unless you want to use Win11 without activation (which you can, but you then can't use any personalization options and Win will annoy you on daily basis to activate it.)

Corsair AX850 Gold PSU
I suggest that you look into new PSU as well. Preferably during this upgrade but ideally when you go with new GPU.

AX850 was one of the best PSUs money could buy, back in 2010, when it launched. It uses Seasonic X-series platform (the 1st ATX PSU in the world to achieve 80+ Gold efficiency). And it has 7 years of warranty. As of today, your PSU is 15 years old. Twice the warranty period (that's the Seasonic reliability for you). Still, no PSU lasts for forever and i suggest that you look towards new PSU sooner than later.

(My 3x PCs are also powered by Seasonic. I have 2x PRIME TX-650 units and one Focus PX-550 unit. Full specs with pics in my sig.)

As of which PSU to go for, that depends on which GPU you go for.
On Nvidia side;

E.g RTX 5090/4090 needs 1200W PSU, preferably one with ATX 3.0 standard. 1500/1600W PSU would be preferred.
RTX 5080/ 4080/4080 Super/3090/3090 Ti needs 1000W PSU.
RTX 5070 Ti/3070/3080/3080 Ti needs 850W PSU.
RTX 4070 Ti/4070 Ti Super needs 750W PSU.
RTX 4070/4070 Super/4060 Ti/3060/3060 Ti needs 650W PSU.
RTX 4060 needs 550W PSU.

RTX 5060 is still upcoming and we don't know it's actual power draw.

So, when you have new GPU in mind and know it's power consumption, then you can buy yourself a proper wattage PSU as well.
I suggest getting the ATX 3.x version PSU.
Further reading: https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

But ATX 2.2 and ATX 2.5 PSUs also work. But with those, you need to over-provision wattage wise, to create enough buffer for GPU transient power spikes.

Overclocking: Probably not and if I do, it will be later in the machine’s life. I bought that capability with my current system, but never tried it. If overclocking is not available in a really good preforming MB and that saves me a bunch of money, I likely won't miss it.
Almost all AM5 socket MoBos support CPU OC (except A620 and B840 chipsets).

With Intel CPUs, you need to have CPU that supports OC. Namely the K-suffix. But with AMD and the latest AM5 socket CPUs, as long as MoBo supports CPU OC - you can OC your CPU. Regardless the chip you use. In that sense, AMD is more flexible with CPU OC.


Usually when CPU OC is done, it is all core OC, negating the effects of different Turbo Boost ratios on different core amounts.
But on the flip side, the latest CPUs are so fine tuned that they have little, if any OC headroom (frequencies over max turbo ratio).

Back in the day, with older CPUs, CPU OC was worthwhile.
E.g i have i5-6600K with 3.5 GHz base and 3.9 Ghz boost. With CPU OC, i could get it 4.5 Ghz all core (increase of 600 Mhz over boost), or with delid, ~4.7 Ghz all core (800 Mhz over boost). And there have been some delidded i5-6600K CPUs, that can hold 5 Ghz all core.

Essentially from Intel 12th gen and onwards, most chips out there can only hold all core stable 100-300 Mhz over max boost. That gain is so little, that CPU OC with current, highly efficient chips, isn't worthwhile. There won't be any meaningful performance increase.
If the headroom would be bigger, like it is with my 6th gen CPU, where on minimum, i look towards 600 Mhz increase over boost clocks (or up to 1.1 Ghz over boost, if very lucky with delidded chip), then CPU OC makes sense.

All-in-all, CPU OC is dying niche and outside of record breaking, isn't worth the effort anymore. Better to run stock clocks and let CPU to decide when to turbo up. Less energy waste and less heat production this way also. Not to mention CPU lifespan, since when running stock clocks, CPU lifespan is easy 10+ years. Running all core OC 24/7 will reduce CPU lifespan considerably. E.g if i were to run 4.5 Ghz on my i5-6600K, i could cut the CPU lifespan in half. And when running CPU at high OC levels, the absolute maximum CPU is able to run at (e.g ~4.7 Ghz on my i5-6600K), you can burn out the chip in 1-2 years.

Multiple GPUs: Possibly, but probably not. Regardless, two PCIe slots for video card is preferred.
Nvidia SLI and AMD Crossfire is dead.

When it did work, there wasn't double the performance with two GPUs. At most, you could get 50% performance boost, but double the power consumption and double the heat production.

In current era, having one single powerful GPU is the way. Though, there are multiple GPU setups, but those exist only in workstation builds (e.g several Quadro GPUs for increasing GPU compute power for number crunching).

I would also like to keep power requirements lower just to reduce my energy bill a little.
For that, you can look towards more efficient PSU.

Back in 2010, 80+ Gold was the most efficient PSU out there. Today, we also have 80+ Platinum and 80+ Titanium PSUs (latter being the most efficient).

Here are 80+ standards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus#Efficiency_level_certifications
And also the new, Cybenetics standards: https://www.cybenetics.com/index.php?option=eta_9-51-40

E.g the Seasonic PRIME TX-650 PSUs i have in use, have the highest efficiency there is;
80+ Titanium (in 80+ standard)
ETA Titanium (in Cybenetics standard), certification: https://www.cybenetics.com/evaluations/psus/44/


That should be it for now. If you have more questions, ask. :)
 
Awesome input from both of you, thanks! When I built my current system, all told it cost me about $2,000. I was working then. Now I'm retired, so I think a little harder before spending money 🤔 😀