News Taiwan accuses China of 'cheating' and 'stealing' semiconductor process technologies

[bit_user]

"Theft" of knowledge is a far cry from war.

If you compare it to the most extreme example I listed, sure.

However, the concept of Intellectual Property was created out of a recognition that certain knowledge needs to be treated like property, in order for market incentives to apply to its creation. Disregarding that means disrupting the fair market system.

"theft" of knowledge are very different and one kills a bunch of people and the other allows others to prosper better.

So does theft of physical property, but at whose expense?

Let's also not forget ...

Go deep enough in the past and you'll find no nation or tribe is totally innocent. We can't fix the past, but we can try to uphold fairness and justice in the present.

I would also like to point out that every nation and major corporation all participate in corporate espionage. This is caused by competition. Competition does not lead to people acting fairly.

Competition is reality. It's intrinsic to life, even if we'd rather pretend otherwise.

Competition breeds strength. The beauty of a fair market system is that competition can be harnessed for the benefit of society, but that requires rules and enforcement. A well-functioning, fair market system breeds innovation and efficiency.

You may aspire to have a market system that's fair, but the capitalists do not,

It's the essence of capitalism. People who don't understand that have failed to understand how capitalism works (as well as why, when, and how it can break).

Competition does not lead to fair play.

It's not supposed to. It's the job of governments and other regulatory bodies (e.g. WTO) to keep competitive forces in check. Weak governments will get trampled upon and their consumers will not be well-served by capitalism.

you can drop the crap about me underestimating the Chinese people. I don't.

Then why do you claim they need to steal IP? Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan developed in the market system. Why can't China?

Considering USA has been doing everything it can to stop China from being able to buy the newest lithography tools while also banning the shipment of the most advanced GPU's to China, how can you claim USA is doing all it can to keep China from technologically developing?

That's due to military applications of the technology. If it can be guaranteed that it won't be used for military purposes, then the sanctions can be exempted.

USA does this because they do not want a fair market system.

If that were true, you should be able to point to many other developed countries under similar sanctions, but you cannot.

Lastly, China is not 10x the size of USA. It's about 4.5 times larger than USA population

I was talking about it being about 10x as large as Japan.

 

[xterx1234]

Operation Paperclip comes to mind.

Well, that is one but I think I would call it a price, since the allies compose of the US, Soviet Union and the UK have won the war, they can claim their price which is german technology and if the germans won the war, well the germans would have american technologies as well.

But focusing on this topic, I think countries around the world are stealing or acquiring techs from different countries and another is that the US gave technology to China when many US companies shift their production to China due to cheap labor


Finally, I think the only reason why the US is keen on trying to stop China's technological advancement is because the Chinese can innovate and it is proven by Huawei who overthrows Apple from the first place and the bans have started. No offense but Apple deserves to be in the trash as they are the most uninnovative tech company that I have heard and the US weaponizing trade can slow tech innovation world wide and maybe instead of banning someone they couls have just encouraged their scientist to innovate. So engaging bans on China just proves that the US are the ones that cannot innovate products. After all the Chinese have the brains but the materials are scarce because of the ban.

 

[bit_user]

Chinese can innovate and it is proven by Huawei who overthrows Apple from the first place and the bans have started.

I don't see why that would be the issue, since many can innovate. More to the point, I believe Huawei never out-innovated Apple. Rather, they managed to surpass Apple by other means (pricing, a rise in economic nationalism among Chinese consumers, etc.).

Apple deserves to be in the trash as they are the most uninnovative tech company that I have heard

Apple's M-series SoCs are very innovative. Apple was first on the market with tech like face-unlock. Apple is also innovating in AR, with a solution that's generations beyond what anyone else has.

I'm not saying Apple is primarily an innovative company, but they're certainly not the "most uninnovative", by any fair reading of events.

I'm not going to address the rest of your claims, because the reasons for the sanctions have been well-documented and we're not allowed to get political.

 

[xterx1234]

I don't see why that would be the issue, since many can innovate. More to the point, I believe Huawei never out-innovated Apple. Rather, they managed to surpass Apple by other means (pricing, a rise in economic nationalism among Chinese consumers, etc.).


Apple's M-series SoCs are very innovative. Apple was first on the market with tech like face-unlock. Apple is also innovating in AR, with a solution that's generations beyond what anyone else has.

I'm not saying Apple is primarily an innovative company, but they're certainly not the "most uninnovative", by any fair reading of events.

I'm not going to address the rest of your claims, because the reasons for the sanctions have been well-documented and we're not allowed to get political.

Thankyou for the correction you gave me. It is nice to have a good comment like this, probably the hate that I gathered over apple of being a greedy and thankyou for not being political even in the slightest way possible. Moreover I will stand by my argument that Huawei out - innovate apple due to the fact that Apple is just copying android features and labelling them new, the only thing that I see Apple innovated is their software, the IOS but I agree I may express an exagerration when I say that Apple was the most un - innovative company, I apologize on that part