Temporarily fulfilled prereqs?

[Guest]

Archived from groups: rec.games.frp.dnd (More info?)

Some Guy <someguy@thedoor.gov> wrote:
> Not only does it allow you to do take care of background training, it
> also allows those with item creation feats to make the best use of
> them.

I must be too tired. I just wacky-parsed that as "those with ice cream
feats." Hmm.
--
Bradd W. Szonye
http://www.szonye.com/bradd

 

[Guest]

Archived from groups: rec.games.frp.dnd (More info?)

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 01:20:33 GMT, "Bradd W. Szonye" <bradd+news@szonye.com>
scribed into the ether:

>Some Guy <someguy@thedoor.gov> wrote:
>> Not only does it allow you to do take care of background training, it
>> also allows those with item creation feats to make the best use of
>> them.
>
>I must be too tired. I just wacky-parsed that as "those with ice cream
>feats." Hmm.

Vorpal Banana Split +5?

 

[Guest]

Archived from groups: rec.games.frp.dnd (More info?)

Replying to Bill's post, but meant as a general reply, since everyone
(including me) seems to agree on the basic principle...

weis3w3@earthlink.net wrote:

> >Can a druid take Improved Natural Attack (or any other feat for which he
> >fulfills the prerequisites only in animal form)?
> >
> >Can a wizard with polymorph?
>
> Sure, IMO. He only gets use of the feat when he has the preq fulfilled, tho.

What about a bard with master's touch (a 1st level spell that grants you
proficiency with a weapon or shield touched)? Can he take Weapon Focus
(greatsword) and only use it when he fulfills the prerequisite (i.e. has
the spell active)?

What about a 9th-level cleric and Improved Critical? He has the
prerequisite when he has divine power on.

What about a 9th-level rogue and Improved Critical? He too has the
prerequisite when he has divine power on... even if it's only through
scrolls and UMD.

Then there are item creation feats and effects that boost your caster
level...

IMC, I'd rule that you need to be able to fulfill the prerequisite for a
significant amount of time in order to perfect whatever technique calls
for it (feat, PrC, whatever), and then just use subjective judgement on
what "significant amount of time" means on a case by case basis.

But given 3E's rules heavy approach, I find it strange that this is so
lightly covered in the rules. The SRD says "Your character must have the
[...] quality designated in order to select or use that feat.", but what
with the plethora of buffs available, and their widely varying
durations, it's not all that clear what "have" means.


--
Jasin Zujovic
jzujovic@inet.hr

 

[Guest]

Archived from groups: rec.games.frp.dnd (More info?)

On 18 Apr 2005 13:56:01 -0700, "Quiggy" <quiggy@gmail.com> wrote:

>Jasin Zujovic wrote:
>> Can a druid take Improved Natural Attack (or any other feat for which
>he
>> fulfills the prerequisites only in animal form)?
>>
>> Can a wizard with polymorph?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jasin Zujovic
>> jzujovic@inet.hr
>
>I doubt it. From the SRD: "A character can't use a feat if he or she
>has lost a prerequisite." Because druids and wizards revert back to
>normal form when the level up (I think), they would be unable to take
>the feat.

"Use" and "have" are separate things.

 

[Guest]

Archived from groups: rec.games.frp.dnd (More info?)

On 18 Apr 2005 17:57:23 -0700, "Quiggy" <quiggy@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Mark Blunden wrote:
>
>> Where do you get that figure? It's the first I've heard of such a
>thing.
>>
>> --
>> Mark.
>
>You win. I was mistaken. Granted, if I were the DM, I'd house rule
>it, but I'm not.

Even if it took a week to "level up", the druid would be able to turn
into an animal into that week and practice his new skill.

 

[Guest]

Archived from groups: rec.games.frp.dnd (More info?)

Jasin Zujovic wrote:
> Replying to Bill's post, but meant as a general reply, since everyone
> (including me) seems to agree on the basic principle...
>
> weis3w3@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>>>Can a druid take Improved Natural Attack (or any other feat for which he
>>>fulfills the prerequisites only in animal form)?
>>>
>>>Can a wizard with polymorph?
>>
>>Sure, IMO. He only gets use of the feat when he has the preq fulfilled, tho.
>
> What about [...]

Remember you have to pick feats before you get new spells and class
features from levelling up, so watch the level requirements.
Hey, you get class bonus feats /after/ regular feats /and/ spells.
That's handy for Wizards. I wonder if i've done many NPCs wrong. 8|

> even if it's only through scrolls and UMD.

Hmm. I'd have to say no way if you're getting prerequisistes
through charged magic items. The idea is to have practiced and be able
to make use of the feat.
I'd even consider permanent magic items to be verboten if it came
up; perhaps. They are for Int boosts and skills, though that's mostly to
make the calculation a little easier. Never considered it in relation to
the Dex/Wis 19+ feats, +6 enhancements would make them way easier.

> Then there are item creation feats and effects that boost your caster
> level...

Hmm, same as above.

> But given 3E's rules heavy approach, I find it strange that
> [...] it's not all that clear what "have" means.

Heh. "Could I have been training with it in effect all this last
level" would seem about right.

--
tussock

Aspie at work, sorry in advance.