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Tesla's $350 automotive-grade external 1TB SSD for games and Sentry Mode footage goes on sale Feb. 2023.

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I’m disappointed in Toms for posting this junk article. Even though Elon Musk deserves some trashing these days, Toms should not the place for that crap.
Is Tesla’s hard drive anything special judging by what was announced..no, but buy a drive from any retailer like HP, Apple etc and you’re going to get a hefty markup. Sad, but hardly surprising.
 
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So the writer couldn't be bothered to tell us how much a similarly specced automotive ssd costs? Because if they cost even slightly more than this, it means the entire article is a pointless clickbait opinion piece.
 
This article did not provide any data backing up why this drive isn't better, or why other SSD's can or cannot handle the extreme environments that cars go through. Here in Utah, we spend 4 months below freezing, with temps often hitting 0F or sometimes down to -30F. In the summer, we have temps that reach up to 110F. In a sealed vehicle in the summer, those internal temps can easily hit 170F+ on the hottest days. How do SSDs handle going from one extreme to another? What about vibration and impact resistance from potholes during both extremes of temperature? What about endurance during these extremes?
Exactly, the article seems to completely dismiss the fact that car temperatures often extend outside the operating range of standard consumer SSDs. In northern climates, outdoor temperatures can remain below freezing for months during the winter. If your car is parked outside or even in an unheated garage, your SSD will be that temperature as well, and will take a while to warm up, by which point you may already be at your destination. Plus, rapidly warming electronics has the potential to result in condensation forming within the device. I had a digital camera fail after operating it in sub-freezing temperatures, despite taking the precaution to warm it up slowly for that very reason, so this is a very real concern.

And of course, on the other end of the spectrum, the temperatures inside a car can get very hot when parked in the sun during the summer, particularly in warm climates. A portable SSD exceeding 60C at the time the car is started is within the realm of possibility, especially as the drive starts emitting its own heat before it has a chance to cool off. There are plenty of NVMe drives that can overheat even within a desktop PC if they are not fitted with a heat-sink or given adequate ventilation.

Didn't read the whole article huh?
"As for temperatures, the $89 Samsung T7 Shield(opens in new tab) has an operating temperature range of 0 C to 60 C, a non-operating temperature range of -40 C to 85 C, and an operating humidity range of 5% to 95%. "

So that's 32f to 140f operating, and -40 f to 185f resting. So they did quite clearly say you can already get a drive that both handles shocks and temperatures

I do think that Tesla is likely gouging on brand but also putting this up with no specs sucks as well. They are calling it something without saying what that means.
You do realize you're telling someone that they didn't read the article, while not bothering to read their post explaining that car temperatures can exceed those limits, right?

Also, Tesla specifically described it as an "automotive-grade external SSD designed for durability withstanding extreme cabin temperatures, vehicle shocks and vibrations" which heavily implies it is better suited for such environments than a standard consumer SSD. They may not have listed an entire spec sheet in the announcement, but they are a car company launching an accessory for their cars, so one would not expect them to. One would simply expect it to work in all conditions that they are likely to encounter.

I'd wait until someone pops one of these open and sees what actual drive is in there, before going all gaga over it.
No one is fawning over the drive, they are just pointing out that clickbait articles like this are claiming how bad a price it is without basing what they write on any actual evidence. If the drive were out and people opened it up to find a sub-$100 budget drive inside, then that could be an article worth writing. But ignoring Tesla's description of the drive, and simply assuming that it is no better than standard PC drives amounts to nothing more than complete tabloid speculation.

Oh and one more thing. If the Samsung drive lasts 5 years...then at that price you could buy 4 of them for the same as the Tesla drive, and probably outlast the Tesla drive. I get what you are saying but...it's a weird product that I don't think will make sense for what they are using it for. I mean buy a cheap one, from Samsung no less, then in 5 years buy one that is 4 times bigger.

Just an odd product with no reasoning behind the price.
And if the Samsung drive doesn't last a year or is unreliable, shutting down on its own or failing to start due to extreme temperature conditions? Sure, a standard consumer drive would probably work fine and be a better value for many, but they probably don't want to release a product that will be unreliable in certain usage scenarios. And of course, we're talking about an accessory for a premium vehicle line whose base models range in price from $45,000 to $130,000. The idea that someone buying a car in that price range is going to be all that concerned about cutting corners to save a couple hundred dollars on an SSD for it seems a bit nonsensical.
 
You do realize you're telling someone that they didn't read the article, while not bothering to read their post explaining that car temperatures can exceed those limits, right?
Was specifically saying that they did indeed, in the article, point to the fact that most drives can handle the temps needed just fine. Unless you are using the drive in sub zero conditions, which nobody in there right mind in those temps would do. They preheat their cars before getting in them remotely. Also, that is a fairly small subset of users, and none of these conditions go outside the resting specs of a standard drive.

So yeah, he gave temps, but he said they didn't give any reason to complain and he was wrong. The article specifically said look at these drives that could survive just fine.
 
And if the Samsung drive doesn't last a year or is unreliable, shutting down on its own or failing to start due to extreme temperature conditions? Sure, a standard consumer drive would probably work fine and be a better value for many, but they probably don't want to release a product that will be unreliable in certain usage scenarios. And of course, we're talking about an accessory for a premium vehicle line whose base models range in price from $45,000 to $130,000. The idea that someone buying a car in that price range is going to be all that concerned about cutting corners to save a couple hundred dollars on an SSD for it seems a bit nonsensical.

Uhm, that doesn't make it good. You also have no given any reason to assume their drive is more reliable, or more well anything, which is my whole point. The chances that this is simply a relabeled drive are very very high. If it really is an extreme temp drive with a tesla label on it then it is priced below average price for those drives right now, and they didn't give a single spec on what it does. That is nonsensical.

You are literally saying don't get the 1/4 cost drive with specs that will meet 95% of users needs because maybe, MAYBE, Tesla slapped their label on a "premium vehicle" accessory and made it cost less than normal. That's just wishful thinking. It is also the entire point of the article. That this is Tesla marketing talk. The evidence being the odd price, the fact that they gave no specs, and that this is what car manufacturers always do. Upsell common products after putting a logo on it.
 
So the writer couldn't be bothered to tell us how much a similarly specced automotive ssd costs? Because if they cost even slightly more than this, it means the entire article is a pointless clickbait opinion piece.
That would impossible, as Tesla didn't provide any specs. But the author did provide some examples and prices of 'rugged' SSDs currently on the market, which could plausibly be similar in specs to the Tesla SSD.
 
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Also, Tesla specifically described it as an "automotive-grade external SSD designed for durability withstanding extreme cabin temperatures, vehicle shocks and vibrations" which heavily implies it is better suited for such environments than a standard consumer SSD.
That's the thing, "automotive grade" doesn't necessarily mean anything on its own. Kind of like how computer parts used to be (maybe still are?) marketed as '"military grade", saying they were extra durable or whatever, but it's just marketing fluff.

Until Tesla releases the specs, we really don't know. So the article is indeed a bit presumptive, assuming that the specs won't be better than existing, much cheaper, 'rugged' drives. But I'm not ready to assume that opposite, either. Nevermind the question of whether people actually need something more than those cheaper rugged drives, as others have pointed out.
 
An SSD that can handle temperatures below freezing is a must. It is currently minus 17C here. If I were to jump into my car now, I can expect the air temperature in the cabin to rise fairly quickly, but it will take quite some time for the entire interior throught all materials to reach temperatures above zero.
 
An SSD that can handle temperatures below freezing is a must. It is currently minus 17C here. If I were to jump into my car now, I can expect the air temperature in the cabin to rise fairly quickly, but it will take quite some time for the entire interior throught all materials to reach temperatures above zero.
A garden variety Samsung 860 EVO has a non-operating temp range of -45C to 85C.
Operating from 0C to 70C.

If you were to power that on in your car, it would very quickly rise in temp, up through 0C.
 
Was specifically saying that they did indeed, in the article, point to the fact that most drives can handle the temps needed just fine. Unless you are using the drive in sub zero conditions, which nobody in there right mind in those temps would do. They preheat their cars before getting in them remotely. Also, that is a fairly small subset of users, and none of these conditions go outside the resting specs of a standard drive.

So yeah, he gave temps, but he said they didn't give any reason to complain and he was wrong. The article specifically said look at these drives that could survive just fine.
No, most drives are in fact NOT rated to handle those conditions. The article specifically states that consumer drives can generally handle operating temperatures between 0-60C, but the whole point of their post was to point out that car interior temperatures can exceed both ends of that temperature range. Operating temperatures well below 0C would be very common in northern US states during the winter, and if you actually lived in such a climate, you would realize that most people are not going to wait an extended period of time to "preheat their car" before driving somewhere, and it could take quite a while to raise the temperature of a drive stowed away in a glove box. And of course, the drive likely starts up with the car, since it is used for things like dashcam video, so there is likely zero time for the car to warm up before the drive is already attempting to run outside of its official operating range.

You also have no given any reason to assume their drive is more reliable, or more well anything, which is my whole point.
Again, Tesla specifically states that the SSD is "designed for durability withstanding extreme cabin temperatures, vehicle shocks and vibrations". Maybe it's not, but their statement is the only thing we have to go on for now, and gives plenty of reason to believe that whatever drive they used is likely tested to withstand those conditions. An article claiming that consumer drives that are clearly not certified for operation in "extreme cabin temperatures" are just as good at a fraction of the cost amounts to little more than clickbait journalism, just trying to get those ad-views and affiliate link clicks with no regard for journalistic integrity, and I don't see why you feel the need to defend it. There is no evidence at this point that this is just marketing talk, and until there is, such an article is not justified. Why didn't the writer contact Tesla and ask for more details before publishing the article? Probably because they wanted to push out an article alongside all the other tech sites doing the same so that they could profit off of it without care for whether the premise is true or not.
 
Unless and until we see some actual specs on this drive, from some entity other than Tesla....all we have is speculation.

It may well be rated for continued sub zero ops.
Or it might be some random SSD in a semi rugged Tesla branded case.

Point being....we out here currently have no idea.
 
The comment about "dashcam footage" makes me wonder if it's running in pseudo-MLC mode, which could explain some of the price-differential. Dashcams are infamous for burning out cheap SD cards, after a little while, but storing fewer bits per cell should provide more longevity (it's what enterprise write-oriented drives do). As Tesla cars have lots of high-framerate, high-resolution cameras to record, that would increase the bitrate well beyond what you'd get from a typical dashcam.
 
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A garden variety Samsung 860 EVO has a non-operating temp range of -45C to 85C.
Operating from 0C to 70C.

If you were to power that on in your car, it would very quickly rise in temp, up through 0C.

The SSD is used for sentry mode as well, which occurs the entire time the car is not driven. If the car is outside in sub-freezing temperatures, it will be operating below 0C the standard SSD's limits. Same for extreme heat.

It's operating at all times, due to either dashcam or sentry mode, and therefore needs to be able to handle extreme temperatures, as Tesla has stated it can. No one would call above freezing an extreme temperature. There is nothing wrong with the description given.

I agree. This is a poor article.
 
The SSD is used for sentry mode as well, which occurs the entire time the car is not driven. If the car is outside in sub-freezing temperatures, it will be operating below 0C the standard SSD's limits. Same for extreme heat.

It's operating at all times, due to either dashcam or sentry mode, and therefore needs to be able to handle extreme temperatures, as Tesla has stated it can. No one would call above freezing an extreme temperature. There is nothing wrong with the description given.

I agree. This is a poor article.
If it is doing Sentry as well, great. It NEEDS to operate at below 0.
(but why wouldn't the sentry video be recorded on internal storage, like if you did not have one of these)

All I'm saying is, we have zero actual specs so far.
It may be the most uberest drive, able to run at -50C to 90C.
Or it may be a garden variety SATA III SSD, in a fancy Tesla branded case.

I reserve judgement until I see some actual numbers.
 
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