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renz496 said:
wasn't that supposed to happen since vista?
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I've been on Linux since XP days. My 70+ year old parents have been on linux (Ubuntu) since Win 7 days. But they only use Facebook, Zoom and Browser. My 5 year old has never seen Windows and will find Windows for what it is when he eventually sees it at some point, it is bloated sh!t. He is a born and bread Linux boy and plays his favourite toy... Dolphin Wii/GameCube emulator on Ubuntu.
 
PCWarrior said:
Release-day microcode did improve performance by 4-7% and was enough to place the 11700K consistently above the 10700K and have it trade blows with the 5800X. Also such a comment is quite rich coming from AMD fanboys that would definitely cause an uproar there have been rogue pre-release reviews with pre-release microcode that put AMD cpus in a bad light. Let’s not forget that these are the same fanboys who over the years have complained about pretty much everything that did not put AMD in the best possible light like:
  1. not retesting AMD cpus with the latest and greatest BIOS (even 2-6 months AFTER release)
  2. not testing with high speed or low latency RAM
  3. not using certain type of RAM (Samsung B die)
  4. not OCing the infinity fabric
  5. not using the “right” mode of Windows (remember creator mode vs game mode in Threadripper?)
  6. not using the latest version of Adobe
  7. testing gaming with older titles and not only the latest titles that take advantage of more cores
  8. testing gaming only at 1080p and not also at 4K
  9. not testing streaming scenarios
  10. not tinkering with Matlab to set an environmental variable for the fast codepath
  11. not using a community-created scheduler for Threadripper
  12. hating certain software because of supposedly being poorly optimised and not leveraging more cores/threads while knowing nothing about Amdahl's law.
And now the same fanboys see a conspiracy theory of Intel and Microsoft instead of sheer incompetence on behalf of their beloved AMD to collaborate with Microsoft and iron out the bugs ahead of Windows 11 release. The fact of the matter is that the 12900K is faster than the 5950X in gaming while costing $210 less. It also beats it in single, light and mid-threaded productivity workloads and trades blows with it in heavily multithreaded ones. It is also available on a superior platform with the latest generation of PCIe express (PCIe gen 5), latest RAM generation (DDR5), has superior cpu-chipset bandwidth (with a DMI4 x8 link), superior chipset features, support for Thunderbolt 4, WiFi 6E and the list goes on.
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and the SAME can be said about the intel fanboys , that in reviews didnt put intel in the best possible light. whats your point ? if intel does it, its ok, if amd does it, its a crime.
" sheer incompetence on behalf of their beloved amd " just like the sheer incompetence of their beloved intel the last what, 5 years ? come on pc warrior, the fact is intel screwed up royally with 10nm, and lied about it. with all its money and staff, it took them HOW long to get it working ? but what ever. both sides have their good and bad.
 
DanglingPointerException said:
I've been on Linux since XP days. My 70+ year old parents have been on linux (Ubuntu) since Win 7 days. But they only use Facebook, Zoom and Browser. My 5 year old has never seen Windows and will find Windows for what it is when he eventually sees it at some point, it is bloated sh!t. He is a born and bread Linux boy and plays his favourite toy... Dolphin Wii/GameCube emulator on Ubuntu.
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Eh.... just use & play whatever works best for you. Windows, Xbox, Linux, PS5 - whatever works & gives you great game experiences, go with it. No need to restrict yourselves to any platform or OS.

Personally, I enjoy them all - I'm just happy when I have enough free time to actually play & enjoy a game!
 
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hotaru251 said:
this is why the dominant OS maker (MS) shouldnt of only worked with Intel to design WIN11.

Hope in future they work with both so they don't have preferential treatment to 1 or other.
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AMD is one of MS major partner. The console now even Surface are using Ryzen. Doubt that MS not reaching AMD and purposely want their own product like Surface to perform worse on their own operating system.
 
PCWarrior said:
The fact of the matter is that the 12900K is faster than the 5950X in gaming while costing $210 less.
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new gen cpu beating old gen cpu....really? would be bad if it didnt. Think in past decade only Intel has ever released a new gen cpu that was slower than last gen.
and the cost difference? should we look back to how intel had to lower its price by hundreds because it was not able to match amd?

price cutting to attract ppl to your product is nothign new. been done before and will happen many times more in future.

also we've already seen benchmark of upcoming 5000 series with stacked cache gaining up to 15% in gaming. (and can assume by that the ryzen 7000 series will gain a decent performance boost as each new gen of zen has been a hefty boost)
PCWarrior said:
It is also available on a superior platform with the latest generation of PCIe express (PCIe gen 5)
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which currently has zero practicle use (we can't even fulyl saturate pcie gen4 yet)
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latest RAM generation (DDR5)
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good luck paying the early adopter fee? (and fact you can buy ddr4 mb shich negate this)
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has superior cpu-chipset bandwidth (with a DMI4 x8 link)
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valid argument here.
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superior chipset features, support for Thunderbolt 4, WiFi 6E and the list goes on.
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again valid, but also versus an old gen cpu.
wifi6e can be done with add in cards. regardless of cpu/mb
TB4 is again another valid point but also niche (as not everyone want/even uses it)

PCWarrior said:
  1. not retesting AMD cpus with the latest and greatest BIOS (even 2-6 months AFTER release)
  2. not testing with high speed or low latency RAM
  3. not using certain type of RAM (Samsung B die)
  4. not OCing the infinity fabric
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side note: these are actually valid when testing ryzen as they have been known for ages to be effected decently by the ram and how much you tune it and Ifabric. (car analogy would be like someone complaining you didnt test car properly as you didnt tune its engine at all when its known to perform better afterwards by doing so)

I currently run intel (in fact i never owned an amd pc) so im nto a fanboy, but i also know intel isnt unmatched (especially there are specific apps/programs/workloads/games/etc that DO in fact favor 1 or other just due to how the program is made to run)

intel with good cpu's is a good thing. Competition is best thing for consumers. (also cant hate amd as they are only reason intel was forced to stop stagnating improvement by not making more than a quad core)
 
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As to why there is such a serious bug in Windows 11 affecting on AMD processors, I think it is a typical issue with MS. With every bug fix or version upgrade, they've never seem to deliver without teething issues. So I guess this is just unfortunate for AMD which fell into this "crack".

With regards to Alder Lake performance, I won't hold my breath over it. I think it is reasonable to say that Alder Lake will be a very strong competitor for the 1 year old Zen 3 architecture. If anything, Tiger Lake is already a strong indication that Intel has somewhat caught up, even though they are behind when it comes to power consumption and # of cores. Alder Lake seeks to address these 2 issues to some extend by introducing efficient cores which also help to somewhat bump up the core count. The approach is very interesting in a sense that it will likely make the Alder Lake i5 12600 and i7 12700 very attractive over the current Ryzen 5 5600X and Ryzen 7 5800X. Looking forward to see official review results. Anyone knows when the NDA for reviews will be lifted?
 
Or adds more, because I's recent positioning was all gamer market oriented where FPS differences were still noticeable and favorable with pre-Zen 3 CPUs and overall user technical level is low enough to take 5-10 FPS differences at 150+ FPS lowres seriously.
Hitting gaming workloads specifically certainly does look 'interesting' in this aspect.
 
targetdrone said:
Once Valve makes Linux mainstream for gaming in the next few years, Linux will go mainstream as a whole. The Steam Deck is a game changer, but Linux is not quite there yet.
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One nitpick: Linux (read this as major distros) have "been there" for a long while now. It's just big Publishers and most of the AAA games are not released with Linux in mind. If it's developed with Vulkan/OGL, you can easily port it over to Linux.

Most of this has never been an issue with Linux itself, but a chicken and egg situation with adoption vs potential sales.

I do agree with you about the Steam Deck, or at least hope it is a game changer so Devs do consider developing with Linux in mind first and then port to Windows instead.

Regards.
 
Steam deck will do diddly squad for linux, users will only see the steam interface and devs will see that the middleware that valve uses/optimized is good enough already so why spend any money or time on making linux specific changes.

Games are designed for consoles and only consoles and don't consoles run variants of linux anyway?! What did 20 years or so of consoles do for linux until now?
 
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Just another reason to keep using W 10 since W 11 offers nothing new.

But I still enjoy all the fanboys AMD VS Intel.

In my opinion the major mistake AMD made that took all the pressure off Intel was the FX series. AMD should of called everybody into a meting that was working on it ask each person what they thought and fired anybody that said it was going to be good.

Since then AMD has closed the gap, for what is better does it really matter when your looking at just a few % that can go either way doing different tasks?
 
Zerk2012 said:
Just another reason to keep using W 10 since W 11 offers nothing new.

But I still enjoy all the fanboys AMD VS Intel.

In my opinion the major mistake AMD made that took all the pressure off Intel was the FX series. AMD should of called everybody into a meting that was working on it ask each person what they thought and fired anybody that said it was going to be good.

Since then AMD has closed the gap, for what is better does it really matter when your looking at just a few % that can go either way doing different tasks?
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FX was a completely valid design, it just suffered from AMD not having enough money to fully realize it.
They bought Ati for a ridiculous price just before the global financial crisis hit which forced them to sell off their fabs (illegally) leaving them with very little to work with.

If AMD had enough money to put a few more instructions into each integer core and increase the caches enough for both i.cores to run a solid amount of them then it would be much more of a success.

But at the time, with the money they didn't have, it was as good as possible.
 
TerryLaze said:
FX was a completely valid design, it just suffered from AMD not having enough money to fully realize it.
They bought Ati for a ridiculous price just before the global financial crisis hit which forced them to sell off their fabs (illegally) leaving them with very little to work with.

If AMD had enough money to put a few more instructions into each integer core and increase the caches enough for both i.cores to run a solid amount of them then it would be much more of a success.

But at the time, with the money they didn't have, it was as good as possible.
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The fx 4100 came out 5 years after that.
 
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