Thank god for the NRA

[riser]

Our Government's laws restricting firearms to the extent that most of them are locked up and under control is what stops criminals from shooting us on the streets here.

Not many people shot here ... just the cops mainly do the shooting ... which is ok with me.

You guys shouldn't complain ... I think it is still more dangerous in South Africa to live now.

It is probably too late to get rid of the guns there as removal of them would seriously impact on your already fragile economy.

Britain banned guns. Gun crimes/shootings went up 300%.

You are more likely to be stabbed than shot in countries like that.

Mexico and Russia have stricter gun laws than in the US.

The 'cops' in the US are mostly worthless because of red tape. They don't want to get involved and their departments have turned into more of a revenue based business than being helpful and detering crime. Take note of Washington DC. When the hand gun law was overturned, crime rates declined drastically. A direct link to criminals knowing there is an actual threat now.

 

[johnsonma]

Violent crime rates dropping could have been the result of other factors, calling that a direct link is an overstatement. Mexico may have stricter gun laws, but they just buy American guns anyways.

 

[johnsonma]

You mean these guns?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/26/us-guns-fmexico-atf-operation-fast-furious_n_909647.html

OMG, your so funnyyyyy.

 

[riser]

Violent crime rates dropping could have been the result of other factors, calling that a direct link is an overstatement. Mexico may have stricter gun laws, but they just buy American guns anyways.

Are you freaking kidding me?? Years and years of high crime rates in DC. The law passed. Within that week the crime rates dropped dramatically! If I recall it was over a 60% reduction in crime two months after the passing the of the law. You cannot believe the stupidity you wrote!

 

[johnsonma]

Are you freaking kidding me?? Years and years of high crime rates in DC. The law passed. Within that week the crime rates dropped dramatically! If I recall it was over a 60% reduction in crime two months after the passing the of the law. You cannot believe the stupidity you wrote!

Quit getting all your news from fox riser, its unhealthy.

http://www.naturalnews.com/035041_violent_crime_Washington_DC_2012.html

 

[johnsonma]

* Guns are used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year—or about 6,850 times a day.1 This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.2


1 Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, "Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense With a Gun," 86 The Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Northwestern University School of Law, 1 (Fall 1995):164.

2 According to the National Safety Council, the total number of gun deaths (by accidents, suicides and homicides) account for less than 30,000 deaths per year. See Injury Facts, published yearly by the National Safety Council, Itasca, Illinois.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms

Its like we are a third world country, its incredible. South Africa is freaking dangerous apparently. By the way, why are you quoting a study done almost 20 years ago?

 

[johnsonma]

Are you saying the stats are not relevant? If so, why?

If anything, the numbers are probably much higher today with the prevalence of more states with concealed carry permit laws.

They would be relevant if compared to numbers today, but I am guessing the numbers have changed.

 

[riser]

Quit getting all your news from fox riser, its unhealthy.

http://www.naturalnews.com/035041_violent_crime_Washington_DC_2012.html

You're hopeless at understanding anything different than your own opinion. You have years of decline in crime because the gun ban was removed. And yet the economy has continually declined and in a short span there was a spike in crime. That crime spike has not continued; I would suspect the unusually warm weather this winter had a major role.

 

[johnsonma]

You're hopeless at understanding anything different than your own opinion. You have years of decline in crime because the gun ban was removed. And yet the economy has continually declined and in a short span there was a spike in crime. That crime spike has not continued; I would suspect the unusually warm weather this winter had a major role.

Your being so hypocritical its amazing, I said that the crime drop could of been the result of other things as well, which you adamantly denied. Then when I show that crime rates have been rising steadily there in the recent years you say it was due to other factors! Do you not see your hypocritical nature in your comments? I agree that it might of had an impact but it was only short term and now the crime % is rebounding. Just to make things clear, I'm not against people owning guns, I just believe that they should be heavily regulated to make sure using one inappropriately, without being held accountable is impossible.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Maybe we should ban seat belt laws, as theres many, not just 1, that have died because of wearing them.
Several have drowned, unable to get out of them in a submerged vehicle-so, is this the thought process we are seeing here?

 

[Reynod]

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