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I like xxsk8er101xx's comments:
"SIS with athlon 4 would be very interesting to see... because it finally incorporates technology and stability that intel already has. oh well.. better late then never..."

"with out AMD's compitition you would be paying at most twice of what your paying now. gotta consider that also..."

The first statement makes it look like you are conceding, AMD is less stable, hence, AMD is more problematic, hence, Fugger is right.

The second statement, oh I love it. "AMD has the effect of lowering Intel prices, that is all they are good for." I know that is not what you meant, but it looked like it at first.

Intel, AMD, who cares. You wanna pay more, more stability, more compatibility, less heat go with Intel. You wanna pay less, have more overclocking/tweaking, little less stability (come on, you have to admit it), and a little more problems, just a little though, go with AMD.

I understand where all you AMD'ers are coming from, but you have to admit, AMD has their history of problems. That may be history, but there is an ever so slightly risk that it may happen.

Me, I am just learning how to play with computers, but I have been using them for over a decade (remember when the CPU's were called 80688 or something, before 286's came out?), since I was a kid.

My choice: Intel machine first (yes I am biased!), but I have one already. Now, the more I read, everyday I am even more tempted to get an AMD machine, just to try something new. You guys seem to be having a lot of fun over there!

deez-inyamouth-nuts
 
Tomshardware webmaster 3 AM. "click" And now motherbitches is banned. Cya!

Aklein

It's July. O the Joy of Summer!
 
12 days is not, um impressive. But then again, a AMD uptime exceeding 12 days is very impressive. Grats & Kudos to you.
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I could easily rack up more than that, except that it has three operating systems and I use all of them (some more than others). That, and I'm building/testing the next version of my distro.

I posted it because you'd prefer to have everyone believe AMD systems can't even last a day.

I noticed in that tripod directory you do not have a index.html and directory browsing is turned on. Might want to fix that.
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Perhaps someday when I care enough. It's just a spot to stick assorted junk atm.

IS that you on the right? http://kelledin.tripod.com/scobros.jpg
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Yes. Only difference between then and now is I have Norse braids.

You live in Alaska?
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No, I live in Texas. I just thought the Alaska Tours posters were mildly amusing.

seems like you do more than click buttons in KDE and Gimp, errr maybe not. maybe just lots of windows open and paroozing THG allot.
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Gee, that must be why "cc1" is up near the top of the list. Do you even know what "cc1" is?

Kelledin

"/join #hackerz. See the Web. DoS interesting people."
 
For grown men you sure do bicker lots.

-Spuddy

<font color=red>Being Evil Is Good. Cause I Can Be A Prick And Get Away With It.</font color=red> :lol:
 
"I understand where all you AMD'ers are coming from, but you have to admit, AMD has their history of problems. That may be history, but there is an ever so slightly risk that it may happen."

I have been a systems integrator for over 10 years now, and I have seen my share of processors come and go. My first AMD processor came in the form of a AM486 DX/2-66 that I ended up OCing to 120. Later on, I ended up buying a Cyrix 5x86 <I think it was called that> at 120mhz and had nothing but problems with it. Later I upgraded one system and baught another, one with Intel 233MMX the other with a AMD K6-233. Both systems are still working today with no problems, they are rock solid. When it came time for my next purchas I went for an Athlon 650 (slotA) because of the reliabilty that AMD had shown me and the savings over Intel. That Athlon is still kicking today, the _only_ problem I have ever had with it was a conflict between VIA's chipset my SBLive and my PCI TNT vid card (which was fixed by the purchase of a GeForce2 AGP).

AMD has proven to me time and time again that they can build rock solid processors at a discounted price, why then should I buy Intel? Intel has done enough things wrong in the recent past that I can't ever see buying one of there processors again. The P3 code, the P3 1ghz+ bs, the P4's shody performance... Maybe chipzilla will release a good product in the near future, the Northwood looks like it may have a chance. But when AMD is doing everything right at a price that can't be beat, why knock people for buying from them?

If I wasn't planning on living as a hermit next summer, you could bet that I would be purchasing a desktop Palimino when they come out.

Choose what's best for you, not what these jackasses on this board say.

- Sandain

ps: It was the 8086, and the 8088 (which was a downgrade from the 8086 similar to the 486sx). Later it was 80186 that no body ever saw because the 80286 was shortly after.
 
Lets put it this way. I went from a pentium 200 to a t-bird 850.
With the t-bird I can switch it on, glance at the window and when I look again its booted up.
But with the pentium, I can switch it on, go get a drink, take a leak and it still won't finish booting up.


😎 😱 :redface: :frown: :lol: 😡 😱 :smile: :tongue: :wink:
 
Everyone leave fugger alone, he is stressed out at his HARD job of selling high end ass dildoes to his family and friends, those ass dildoes are really "high end machines", and fugger PERSONALLY inspects and tests each one before the sale, sometimes TWO AT A TIME.

IGNORE FUGGER,AND AMDMELTDOWN, THEY ARE TROLLS.

~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
 
Hey wolverine, AMD dosent HAVE to beat intel to the 2.0ghz mark, it HAS ALREADY beat the P4 2.0 GHZ MARK with its 1.4ghz athlon, and when the 1.5 a4 is released BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, it will perform roughly the same as a 2.3 p4

mhz is NOT everything.

~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
 
"Dont believe me? pull the power on your HSF. chicken!
I can safely pull the power on my HSF and not worry about it destroying itself =)"

Man them pentium 90's are tough mofo's, im awed by your l337 compxor skillz FUGGER



~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
 
Tell that to the consumers. And the stockholders. The majority of consumers, plus the larger stock holders care very much about numbers and less about performance. "The P4 is 2.0 Ghz and performs better than the Athlon? Ok, good enough for me". Stock price goes up, company sells more units, it's a happy world. And your claim that an Athlon 1.4 is better than a 2.0 is rediculous and you know it. The 1.4 doesn't currently beat a 1.8 so....*lets you figure out the rest*. And with the new chipset coming and XP coming (you know M$ is going to add SOMETHING to make P4's run faster than anything else), no one can predict who's going to be where in a few months. AMD better start doing SOMETHING though, cuz little .1 Ghz jumps every couple of months or so isn't going to cut it.

Althons and Pentiums are just melted rock. Who’s rock is better? Who cares, let’s play some games
 
You said ALL YOU CARED ABOUT WAS THAT THE P4 WOULD WIN TO 2.0GHZ, does that mean you are a moron like those stock holders, or consumers who dont know [-peep-] about computers?

AND I believe that one of the forum members extrapolated sisoft sandra benchmarks to determine that 1.4ghz was roughly equal to 2.0 p4, He will post here to clear up that difficulty, however the fact remains, that on average the 1.4 is = to the 1.8. (and on some bench's it whomps, likewise for p4) however, there is still 4 months to go in the year, and the a4 1.5 and perhaps 1.63 ghz chips will be out by the end of the year, add the 10% performance boost of the a4 clock for clock over the tbird AND the higher mhz, and I GUARENTEE YOU, that the a4 will have the most powerful processor come dec 31.

So if you like mhz myths and are stupid enough to think that a 1.5ghz p4 is faster than a 1.4ghz athlon, then by all means WASTE YOUR MONEY.

~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
 
Eh, i just don't like biases (either way). You know, i like AMD AND Intel and i love the competition. Without either company, the other would get extremely greedy, charging more money for slower chips and there wouldn't be as much of a push for them to constantly improve. We certainly saw the price war from Intel's side recently (go AMD) and for AMD to survive, they had to produce good technology very rapidly (go Intel). But when you take money from AMD sponsorships and denounce Intel no matter what they do (if they created a device to make food from sand, thus eliminating world hunger, Tom would hate it because it is from Intel), it's kind of...rediculous. That's what i have against Tom. Give credit where credit is due. AMD is a survivor still making good chips (they have since K6-2 -- before that, don't get me started). Don't get me wrong, i don't like their chips for some reasons, but they do have strong points. Look, a balance, not so hard to achieve. And since i go for stability over performance and since my video cards already overheat because i'm pushing them too hard (which means i don't need extra heat from the chip), i go with Intel. It's all in what you want. And for price, i don't care, money is no object. I'll be able to buy a 2000+ square foot house right after college and will pay it off in 5 years. I'll own two cars by then; i think i'll pay an extra couple hundred to make sure my chip runs when i want it to.

Althons and Pentiums are just melted rock. Who’s rock is better? Who cares, let’s play some games
 
little 100mhz jumps???

wtf do you think intel has been doing, thats what all chip manufacturers do, 1.3p4, 1.4pr, 1.5p4, 1.7p4, 1.8p4(and 1.6p4) are you so blinded by loyalty you will accuse amd of the same things intel does as if they are sin????

~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
 
I am not anti intel, I am anti p4, it is a [-peep-] chip, overpriced and underperformed. Maybe northwood will do better, as for me, I have x amount of dollars.(altho my wife would disagree since I have a 1.33@1.55 135 gig raid array (3x45gig 75gxp's) a geforce 3@230/530, a 19 inch monitor and 200dollar compy speakers heh) but I have x amount of dollars, I can buy a p4 and 256 megs of rambus, and maybe have a faster chip half the time, OR I can buy 1.4ghz tbird 512 ddr ram, geforce 3 AND STILL HAVE CHANGE, and overclock it to 1.6(even if i didnt it would be at LEAST equal to the 1.8) and have it chew the hell out of the p4.

Even if money is no object, you can say, I will by this and this and this and it will be x amount of dollars, then I will take x amound of dollars and get an amd setup and buy something else with the extra $$$.

I have yet to see a valid reason for buying a p4 over a tbird performance wise, the extra money is ALWAYS going to be able to purchase things which override whatever performance benefit you recieve from the p4.....bar none.

~Matisaro~
"Friends don't let friends buy Pentiums"
~Tbird1.3@1.55~
 
Ah yes, but the time frame was different, at that was the point.

Althons and Pentiums are just melted rock. Who’s rock is better? Who cares, let’s play some games
 
Ah yes, but the time frame was different, at that was the point. You didn't read the post.

Althons and Pentiums are just melted rock. Who’s rock is better? Who cares, let’s play some games
 
Man, no one reads posts before responding anymore. This is getting to be a very interesting world. Flame first, ask q's later. *Summarizes his posts, thereby explaining AGAIN what he ALREADY said*. The p4 1.8 beats the 1.4 Athlon in most everything speedwise (deny this by pointing me to a THG, and i'll shoot you for being ignorant) and the Pentium line is more stable than the Athlon line (and produces less heat and uses less energy). I did not say Mhz is everything (if that was true, a 600 mhz celeron would be equal to a 600 mhz p3). I said the P4 will win the 2Ghz crown and it will. I said stock holders and MOST consumers only care about numbers (i'm not one of them, i've obviously pointed out other reasons why i'd buy an intel chip - the main reason being STABILITY). Sisoft sandra benchmarks are very inaccurate. Most people don't list version numbers of the software (suprise, there's more than one version of sandra 2000, and each version comes up with very different test results). There are 4 months to go in the year. The p4 2.0 will be here, Brookdale will be here (so less cost and a very small reduction in overall performance, relative to the speed of the chip). Don't guarantee anything. If AMD has shown one thing, it's been surprise, either good or bad. All things considered, btw, if i needed a new chip when the 2.0 comes out (which i probably won't), i would buy a 1.7, because of price (i may have money, but i'm not dumb -- u don't buy a 2002 car until end of 2002 at the earliest). Anyone buying a 1.4 Athlon right now is not very smart. Top speed chips from both companies are always overpriced and always a little more unreliable.

Althons and Pentiums are just melted rock. Who’s rock is better? Who cares, let’s play some games
 
P4 2.0 basically is here. There's a pic of one in the HardOCP forums, and The Register has a story about them being released. A mere $565 each ;(

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Quarter pounder inside
 
Wolverine you're an idiot. I have not seen one review that claims the P4 1.8 beats AMD 1.4 in </i> MOST </i> tests. The reviews I've have seen show the 400 Mhz(or more) faster P4's are only better in the memory bandwith tests or apps like Quake that utilize Intel's SSE instructions (which are very few) because t-birds do not support SSE yet. The Athlon 4 will. You're worse than FUGGER or AMDMeltdown. Check things out before you open your mouth.
 
hahaha!!! biggest crock I've heard all year! If the Athlon at 1.4 is = to a P4 @2.0Ghz then why can it beat a 2.0Ghz P4?
<A HREF="http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/pentium41800/page3a.asp" target="_new">http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/pentium41800/page3a.asp</A>

Matisaro, do the rest of the forum members a favor, and stop trying to mislead them.

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
 
>I have not seen one review that claims the P4 1.8 beats AMD 1.4 in MOST tests.

hehehe, are you for real? after you've pulled your head out of your a$$ dont forget to take off that blindfold!

"<b>AMD/VIA!</b>...you are <i>still</i> the weakest link, good bye!"
 
Not very civil, are we? Comparing me to FUGGER? Wow, u really don't like what i said. Well, in the style of AMD vs Intel *sits back, gets flamed, smiles at the thought of his Intel chip. Let's AMD user accuse all he wants*. Even AMD biased sites conceed the superiority (not directly, but their benchmarks come up with the p4 USUALLY ahead, there are a few tests that don't). Even Tom's site shows that almost all tests have the 1.7 equal or greater than 1.4. One of the most AMD biased "testers" has shown the 1.7 as better than the 1.4. His only saving comment says that the Athlon is cheaper, so better. Please don't insult me further...as Mark Twain once said "Better to be thought of as a fool and keep ur mouth shut than to open ur mouth and remove all doubt". BTW where is the A4? :smile:

Althons and Pentiums are just melted rock. Who’s rock is better? Who cares, let’s play some games
 
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