The Apple Mac Cost Misconception

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{quote}How's the stability with unsupported hardware? Are you able to get Quartz (the DirectX of the Mac world) engine to run on NVidia, or are you just in standard OSX mode?{/quote}

Did not to realize anybody would like more info, but quartz runs fine with the 7900 card on laptop. everything else appears to work as well including wifi (identified by leopard as airport

Display:
Resolution: 1440 x 900
Depth: 32-bit Color
Core Image: Hardware Accelerated
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Quartz Extreme: Supported
Rotation: Supported
Display Connector:
Status: No display connected

I like Vista Ultimate, but I like also like the Apple OS. There are advantages to both systems.....as well as disadvantages.

There is also the learning curve to use either. If you like your O.S. Stick with it, or if you wish to experiment, and have some knowledge then look up EFI V8. The writers of that utility deserve many cudo's.

BTW I tried to log on with my previous email address and was blocked. Its hard to stay anonymous here.


 
Gateway P-7811FX
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8892825&type=product&id=1211587727985&ref=39&loc=01&srccode=cii_11138&cpncode=12-63897818-2

Try to beat that.. for $1449.99 I know it is 17" and the processor is only 2.26 but please check the rest of the features. Even if it is 2.4 ghz, it is way cheaper than Macbook Pro.

Also for Dell, you can simply type Dell coupon on search engine, and you will get between 20%-30%(at least 20% off at all time some people forgot or don't know about). If you sign up for Dell preferred credit account, you will get an extra discount. If you get lucky (or become the first 1000 buyers), you will get roughly ~44%. I got that deal through http://www.slickdeals.net/ tips.

* Dell EPP Members: Save $300 on select Inspiron Desktop purchases $999 or more (before tax and shipping)! - $300.00

* Dell EPP Members receive 10% off Select Inspiron Desktop systems priced $649 and above! - $74.90

ADDITIONAL DISCOUNTS AND COUPONS
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* Dell Members receive 2% off systems priced less than $800 with 1/2yr At-Home service.

Haha, got a very good computer and still have extra money to add in some cool stuffs that blow Mac away. Hey guys, check www.slickdeals.net. Also, remember to check Days of Deal from Dell which Mac wouldn't even bother to offer.
 
Again, its not about the hardware! Just tried VMFusion with my Mac mini. It is amazing that lower spec. hardware on the Mac just works better under OSX than Windows. VMFusion's Beta2 definately delivers, even though the Mac Mini doesn't have a 3D acceleration card, but instead a crappy Intel GMA. It can still run Microsoft's trueSpace 7.6 in model mode using DirectX emulation. You need to turn on tablet mode for the mouse but its definately usable. DirectX 9/10 shaders DO NOT work however. I wonder if they would under a Mac with a 3D chip? Supposedly it does according to VMFusion.

The biggest break through would definately be the HD video abilities. I can run Windows Media Player 11 decoding the super proprietary dvr-ms video files being generated from my crappy Microsoft Media Center while searching through 10,000 songs natively in iTunes without so much as a skip. Finding a song by title takes about 3 seconds.

Windows takes about 30 to 40 minutes. It just goes to show you that all the latest bells and whistles with the latest PC hardware doesn't really mean its going to better if the software is utter crap.

Next I'll be trying Poser Pro 64bit. Supposedly it runs circles on Mac G5/Intel 64 bit capable boxes running OSX then it does on PCs with Windows XP. We'll see about that!
 
Is $1449.99 (+ shipping and tax depending on location) is cheaper than $1999 and $1799? Help me out here.

Partial Code( ...........

int P7811FX_cost=1499.99;
String brain_state;

if (P7811FX_cost >= 1799 && P7811FX_cost < 1999)
brain_state = new String ("Nut job");
else if (P7811FX_cost >= 1999)
brain_state = new String ("Dumbass");
else
brain_state = new String ("You are normal being. You are good to frag");

...................)


PLEASE CHECK THIS BELOW

P-71811FX

* Processor Centrino Core 2 Duo, 2.26 ghz
* 4 GB of RAM, PC-6400 DDR3 (WOW!!!!)
* NVIDIA GeForce 9800M GTS, 512MB GDDR3 (can you beat this baby?)
* 200GB HDD, 7200RPM
* 17-inch LCD
* 1920x1200 WUXGA widescreen
* Double-layer DVD±RW/CD-RW
* Built-in Intel® Wireless Wi-Fi Link (802.11a/b/g/n)
* (no bluetooth but you can get one for less than $10.00)
* Built in Webcam
* No Backlit KB with Ambient Sensor (not important anyway)

*Additional Audio/Video Connectors HDMI, Audio High-definition (2-channel),
Speakers Built-in stereo speakers, PCMCIA Slots, 1 ExpressCard/54, USB 2.0 Ports 3,
IEEE 1394 FireWire Ports 1

* Why am I using remote for a notebook? Is that a lazy fat ass feature?

* Operating System Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit with SP1

* System Bus 1066MHz,,, hoooowweeee.... hooah!
* Cache Memory 3MB on die level 2, make it double hooah!
* Laptop Weight Standard (more than 5.5 lbs.), give it 7 lbs.. maybe..
good for building extra muslce if you like to lift it often.
 
Is $1449.99 (+ shipping and tax depending on location) is cheaper than $1999 and $1799? Help me out here.

Partial Code( ...........

int P7811FX_cost=1499.99;
String brain_state;

if (P7811FX_cost >= 1799 && P7811FX_cost < 1999)
brain_state = new String ("Nut job");
else if (P7811FX_cost >= 1999)
brain_state = new String ("Dumbass");
else
brain_state = new String ("You are normal being. You are good to frag");

...................)


PLEASE CHECK THIS BELOW

P-71811FX

* Processor Centrino Core 2 Duo, 2.26 ghz
* 4 GB of RAM, PC-6400 DDR3 (WOW!!!!)
* NVIDIA GeForce 9800M GTS, 512MB GDDR3 (can you beat this baby?)
* 200GB HDD, 7200RPM
* 17-inch LCD
* 1920x1200 WUXGA widescreen
* Double-layer DVD±RW/CD-RW
* Built-in Intel® Wireless Wi-Fi Link (802.11a/b/g/n)
* (no bluetooth but you can get one for less than $10.00)
* Built in Webcam
* No Backlit KB with Ambient Sensor (not important anyway)

*Additional Audio/Video Connectors HDMI, Audio High-definition (2-channel),
Speakers Built-in stereo speakers, PCMCIA Slots, 1 ExpressCard/54, USB 2.0 Ports 3,
IEEE 1394 FireWire Ports 1

* Why am I using remote for a notebook? Is that a lazy fat ass feature?

* Operating System Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit with SP1

* System Bus 1066MHz,,, hoooowweeee.... hooah!
* Cache Memory 3MB on die level 2, make it double hooah!
* Laptop Weight Standard (more than 5.5 lbs.), give it 7 lbs.. maybe..
good for building extra muslce if you like to lift it often.
 
This article is a crap. If he wanted to compare the macbook pro or whatever with PC laptop, he supposed to list out multiple laptop brands, not pickup just two of the highest end/or premium brand name. He needs to list out price/performance ratio, what category of laptop each one belong to like gaming, entertainment, movie editing, Internet surfing, business laptop etc.. Instead, he simply said crappy stuffs like we PC/Windows users don't know sh!@. Hey, we also using Linux on PC-IBM compatible too!
 
I think you're assuming that your going to run Windows on a Mac? Whats the point? You can buy a Hummer that'll outperform any economy car on the road today in terms of speed and power. But when it comes down to getting work done, or in the case of having to GET TO WORK... which one is going to get you there a gallon of gas if work is over 11 miles way?
 
You are trying to compare mpg on PC vs MAC? Bad analogy. I'm not going to run Windows on Mac. How do you know MAC performance is better than running on Windows or Linux? Give me the test results.
 
I'm a developer and write for both. I only wrote for PC for the past 14 years until 2 months ago. Its a known fact and a given. C'mon everyone knows that. Windows = FATWARE. Why should I write faster, optimized software when I can rely on guys like you to just buy more hardware every month? LOL. No point in me spending hours fine tuning something when you can just throw hardware at it.
 
Tell it to 90% of the people who made the comments here. Yeah, what if I like to upgrade my pc hardware? It is my hobby. I don't do it "every month" like you are hoping. What if I like to install Windows and Linux once in a while? It is my hobby. It's not a painful thing to do. What to make my pc faster? Just drop in the cpu, or mobo, ram or video card. No problem. Known FACTS of yours? Barely. If Mac is so good, it should NOT have switch to Intel Core 2 Duo.
 
Hey, no one is stopping you! Again its not the hardware, the fact that Mac switched to Intel has nothing to do with being 'good'. Why did Microsoft switch from Intel to PowerPC for XBox?

Its about the software, and a Linux based operating system like OSX is tried, true, and tested. That is why it costs more. You can buy a Mac today and get great use with stability, functionality and grace. You can get the same amount of usefullness with a PC and the latest, FASTER THEN MAC hardware. It has to be! Rebooting from crashes takes alot of time. You could probably arrive at the same point by buying an even older more tested PC. A PC that has its BIOS and firmware bugs worked out. A PC that actually wakes up after standby, but being 1 year old for 'maturity' and stability's sake on a PC doesn't quite equate to the stability of a brand new Mac. Again, thats what you pay for with a Mac. Testing, compliance, stability. Would you trust your next Airplane trips's flight control system to be running Vista? Reality check!
 
How do you know majority airport are using Mac/Mac OS for flight control system? Are you making this up?
 
The Apple Mac Cost Misconception : Macs and Their Prices. This sleazy guy is claiming he can purchase MAC cheaper than PC and using different hardware to make comparison. Beside, my PC in either Windows and Linux is very stable. Maybe it was yours that crashed a lot.
 
About the processor, I didn't say Intel processor is not good, thus Microsoft switch to IBM's Xenon. Maybe it's the cost that matter or spacing for the XBox, who's knows? However, since you claiming MAC is superior than PC, it should stays with the original processor from the original manufacturer. Beside, my mandrake and Fedora is running good and stable. You love to compare only Vista with MAC and you forgot that I am running Linux too.
 
I forgot to mention, I am still running Windows XP Media Edition. One of my Inspiron 1705 hard drives has Windows Vista but I hardly boot it up. However, I can switch my hard drive anytime to any OS I like.
 
I believe both are good computers, however with people going all around with their almighty attitude saying something as though like we know nothing, prompt me to say something back.
 
In VTOLfreak's defense- the prices he quoted are in Euros translated to dollars therefore they are are probably accurate. I know for a fact that Microsoft doesn't account for exchange rates ($300 Vista Ultimate costs 300 Euros or $400) so I doubt Apple does either. That said the 6k supped up Apple does cost him 8k USD. Also, apple will always continue to screw people about upgrades, because Apple users in general are afraid to open up a case and do it themselves. I have a friend who is a Computer Engineer but a MAC user- he doesn't even know how to change out sticks of RAM, or what ram to even buy.
 
You guys are missing the point. Many people state that Macs are more expensive even though they're using the same hardware as PC's. That you have to pay a premium just because it has the Mac logo on it. This kind of proves that isn't the case.

If the exact same hardware for an Equivalent PC costs 500 bucks less, then yeah, they would have a point. But this proves that Apple isn't inflating the price of the hardware at all.

Yes, you could put together a cheaper PC...but it wouldn't be a workstation. This is dual Quad-core Xeon's we're talking about here...not some single dual-core in a budget PC. Again, these are WORKSTATIONS. Don't try to compare with your "back to school" specials that throw in a free mouse-pad.
 
So the bottom line here seems to be : You can't say apple hardware is overpriced, like many tried to claim, but you can say that apple performances are overpriced... That's the right middle ground.

But do we care more about the name of the hardware we have in a machine, or do we care more about performances ? That's the difference.
 
Wow are you kidding. Come one man, as many have said you cherry picked dells and such to make mac look good.

The bottom line is I saw a hot deal today on a Core 2 duo all tricked out for less than 800... Also there are always good to great deals on very very nice laptops. Also i saw a dell for 700 with two 22" monitors quad core...

I cannot believe this 🙁.
 
Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic
things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Seriously, this article should be removed to prevent others from wasting their time.
 
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