The Demise of Cheap VOIP

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Stephen M. Adams wrote:

> John Nelson <DieSpammerDie@njabl.org> writes:
....
>>Then you are in the minority. I would maintain that most people, in the
>>west at least, expect the availability of such utilities as phone
>>service to be a part of those things their government is responsible
>>for, if not directly, then through regulation.
>
>
> What's next? Cable TV? A computer? A car? We're talking slippery slope
> here...
>
> -Stephen

Slippery slope? You'd better believe it 🙂
 
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In article <d5tquh1262k@news3.newsguy.com>, adamst@no.spam says...
> John Nelson <DieSpammerDie@njabl.org> writes:
>
> >In article <d5qnke015jb@news1.newsguy.com>, adamst@no.spam says...
> >> "wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >> >> Regulation was required when telephony was a scarce resource. This is
> >> >> no longer true. The original reasons for regulation no longer exist.
> >> >
> >> >Bullshit. Tell that to the family living out in the middle of nowhere.
> >> >Someone's got to maintain the copper wiring plant for their basic phone
> >> >services. That's a direct result of regulation and should continue.
> >>
> >> As I recall, in exchange for their *monopoly* the telcos agreed to wire
> >> everything, and were then permitted to recover the costs of wiring 'out
> >> of the way' places from the entire subscriber base.
> >>
> >> I don't believe that a telephone, or the internet, is a 'basic human right'
> >> that should be guaranteed to everyone by regulation and paid for by all
> >> users of the system.
> >
> >Then you are in the minority. I would maintain that most people, in the
> >west at least, expect the availability of such utilities as phone
> >service to be a part of those things their government is responsible
> >for, if not directly, then through regulation.
>
> What's next? Cable TV? A computer? A car? We're talking slippery slope
> here...

Rubbish. There is a world of difference between a utility that, among
other things, provides the ability to summon help from the government
agencies that virtually every citizen's tax dollars pay to maintain.
Think fire, police, and medical. And let us be clear, we are NOT talking
about providing these things "for free". We are talking about
regulations that ensure that such things are provided to all customers
at a reasonable rate; one that is nominally affordable for the consumer,
and (at least) nominally profitable for the carrier.
 
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John Nelson <DieSpammerDie@njabl.org> writes:

>In article <d5tquh1262k@news3.newsguy.com>, adamst@no.spam says...
>> John Nelson <DieSpammerDie@njabl.org> writes:
>>
>> >In article <d5qnke015jb@news1.newsguy.com>, adamst@no.spam says...
>> >> "wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> writes:
>> >>
>> >> >> Regulation was required when telephony was a scarce resource. This is
>> >> >> no longer true. The original reasons for regulation no longer exist.
>> >> >
>> >> >Bullshit. Tell that to the family living out in the middle of nowhere.
>> >> >Someone's got to maintain the copper wiring plant for their basic phone
>> >> >services. That's a direct result of regulation and should continue.
>> >>
>> >> As I recall, in exchange for their *monopoly* the telcos agreed to wire
>> >> everything, and were then permitted to recover the costs of wiring 'out
>> >> of the way' places from the entire subscriber base.
>> >>
>> >> I don't believe that a telephone, or the internet, is a 'basic human right'
>> >> that should be guaranteed to everyone by regulation and paid for by all
>> >> users of the system.
>> >
>> >Then you are in the minority. I would maintain that most people, in the
>> >west at least, expect the availability of such utilities as phone
>> >service to be a part of those things their government is responsible
>> >for, if not directly, then through regulation.
>>
>> What's next? Cable TV? A computer? A car? We're talking slippery slope
>> here...
>
>Rubbish. There is a world of difference between a utility that, among
>other things, provides the ability to summon help from the government
>agencies that virtually every citizen's tax dollars pay to maintain.
>Think fire, police, and medical. And let us be clear, we are NOT talking
>about providing these things "for free". We are talking about
>regulations that ensure that such things are provided to all customers
>at a reasonable rate; one that is nominally affordable for the consumer,
>and (at least) nominally profitable for the carrier.

The user of the system does not bear even a remote resemblance of the
actual cost of the system. There are alternatives for summoning aid
to a copper-line telephone. Alternatives that are far cheaper than
forcing the entire rate-base to pay tens of thousands of dollars
PER line to wire remote communities.

And those regulations came about BEFORE 911.

-Stephen
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