The HDV format...Compressed audio?

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"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On a sunny day (Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:19:07 GMT) it happened "nap"
> <gospam@yourself.com> wrote in
> <fr6Td.8717$Pz7.8474@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>:
>
>>
>>Exactly what are you talking about? I am an engineer. I have written code
>>for MP3 systems, about to work on another, and I can tell you that NO
>>ONE'S
>>ears can differentiate the finer points of MP3 compression. Anyone who
>>thinks they can use their ears to 'review' a product is.... a joker.
> Hehe, I am electronics enineer with > 35 years experience, many of it in
> broacasting, many of it in design.
> I have been reading all this, and listen test can reveal a lot (to trained
> people especially).
> Already in the sixties I learned to listen to the sound people in the
> studio.
> You can learn.
> In fact I would not have lasted a week if I had not!
> It is team work.
> So, what mp3 system did you design? What about psychoacoustic models? I
> can
> hear differences there myself, and WTF is a 'finer point', please be
> specific.
> At least respect the profesional experience of others.

I started mixing records in the 70's Worked in most major West Coast
Studios. And with 30 years engineering I can tell you that the idea that
'trained' people can discern the differences in high bandwidth mp3 is
ludicrous. I'd be interested in what exactly constitues a "trained" ear.

 

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"Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote
>
> Nappy doesn't even have enough respect for the people in this newsgroup to
> use his real name. This isn't an erotic binaries group Nap, come on, stand
> up and be counted.

Charlie,
You and I both know that he can't use his real name. He doesn't have any
credits. He's afraid that he'll be found out. He's smart enough to know
that, with name in hand, it doesn't take more than a few seconds to find out
who does what, and for how long nowadays. Especially in the production
industry. That's how we figure out billing.
He knows all to well that he doesn't have the chops to back up all the all
that he claims to know. All he's good at is tossing out buzz word laced
opinions based on product reviews and production technique articles he's
gleaned from the internet. He's dug a hole and he likes it there.

(He's probably gonna take off his shirt, and get ready for the big fight!)
*snicker*

I killfiled the little pud a long time ago.

Felt good.

Bill F.
www.billfarnsworthvideo.com

 

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nap wrote:
> "Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1109261013.f29d9399b295d9a565eca777e04933a9@teranews...

> yes it is easy to tell if something is broken by listening.
>
>
> > I have been in the situation where I could not hear it..
> > But then you can measure it.
>
> measure the difference between a high bit rate MP3 and an original
audio
> source? ok.

I think you have shown in this posting, that as others also experienced
it seems, you quote out of context, sort of changing what other people
wrote.
That or you have a reading problem.
And I would like to see the power consumption of a 500 MHz processor
cellphone
doing soft decoding mp3, versus a dedicated chip.
Standby time, play time....
Important sales arguments.

 

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Chuck U. Farley wrote:
>> At low bitrates the Fraunhofer encoders perform noticeably better than
>> LAME does.
>
> Personally, I still use mp3enc 3.1@ 160.
>
> In the "old" days I would have encoded a file with Xing, Blade and mp3enc @
> 128, posted them in abt and have you tell me which one was "best". And you
> _wouldn't_ have been able to tell which one was which. But these days, with
> EncSpot and spectral analysis, it's now a moot point. Besides, who cares?


At 48k or 56k, the differences are quite audible. My clients care.

 

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On a sunny day (Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:58:32 -0500) it happened "Chuck U. Farley"
<chuckufarley@dyslexia.com> wrote in
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>> At low bitrates the Fraunhofer encoders perform noticeably better than
>LAME does.
>
>Personally, I still use mp3enc 3.1@ 160.
I have mp2enc, in Linux, think it claims VERSION 4.0 (looking at source code).
This I use for mp2 audio on European DVD.

 

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On a sunny day (Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:02:39 GMT) it happened "nap"
<gospam@yourself.com> wrote in <PI9Td.292$C47.2@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>:
>
>I started mixing records in the 70's Worked in most major West Coast
>Studios. And with 30 years engineering I can tell you that the idea that
>'trained' people can discern the differences in high bandwidth mp3 is
>ludicrous. I'd be interested in what exactly constitues a "trained" ear.

OK, I will address this then, I have been thinking about this, you mentioned
design.
I presume you did mean electronics design.
Now that could go like this:
Need speaking doll.
100 000 will be made.
Budget electronics: 3 $
Websearch mp3 playback chips.
Look at price
Look for lowest power consumption.
Look for 1.2 V or lower operating voltage (as the thing has AAA battery).
make sure data sheet says 'mp3' ;-)
Get sample.
Make test circuit.
Sounds OK.
negotiate lowest possible price for 100 000
exceed budget.

So, in such I case (not saying it is you), the issue was not sound 'quality'.
It only had to say: 'mama' and 'I need to pee', and sing a song.

However you slice it, these days you would be looking for a chip.
You are at the mercy of the big chip makers.
Alternative is use some software and a fast micro + DA, a lot more expensive.

So this brings me to what is 'high bandwidth'.
So please specify bit rate!
32 kbps versus 256 kbps mono at 48000 samples / second is easy to tell apart.
When you get higher it becomes more subtle.

As for the 'trained' ear, that encompasses many things.
I can hear the difference, and even tell you what is wrong with an amp, you
can too, I am sure, crossover distortion, clipping, I have heard it, seen it
on the scope, tried to prevent it in design.
Intermodulation, RF oscillation, frequency roll of, noise, you can name it too.
As engineer, if a sound technician says: 'I hear some distortion', you listen,
and grab the equipment and go find it.
I have been in the situation where I could not hear it..
But then you can measure it.
These people are right more then 90 % of the time.
But of cause the profies, not the guy who just invested 10000$ in golden
speaker cables, and claims its sounds more golden ...
In my view anyways.

I think I could tell 256 kbps and 384 kbps mp3 apart if I got choice of music.
Tried that some years ago...
Was testing OGG vorbis versus mp3 (and mp2).
But it was not a double blind test...
I rejected OGG.
oops.

 

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"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On a sunny day (Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:02:39 GMT) it happened "nap"
> <gospam@yourself.com> wrote in
> <PI9Td.292$C47.2@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>:
>>
>>I started mixing records in the 70's Worked in most major West Coast
>>Studios. And with 30 years engineering I can tell you that the idea that
>>'trained' people can discern the differences in high bandwidth mp3 is
>>ludicrous. I'd be interested in what exactly constitues a "trained" ear.
>
> OK, I will address this then, I have been thinking about this, you
> mentioned
> design.
> I presume you did mean electronics design.
> Now that could go like this:
> Need speaking doll.
> 100 000 will be made.
> Budget electronics: 3 $
> Websearch mp3 playback chips.
> Look at price
> Look for lowest power consumption.
> Look for 1.2 V or lower operating voltage (as the thing has AAA battery).
> make sure data sheet says 'mp3' ;-)
> Get sample.
> Make test circuit.
> Sounds OK.
> negotiate lowest possible price for 100 000
> exceed budget.
>
> So, in such I case (not saying it is you), the issue was not sound
> 'quality'.
> It only had to say: 'mama' and 'I need to pee', and sing a song.
>
> However you slice it, these days you would be looking for a chip.

Not ture if you are working with a 500Mhz ARM for a Cell phone.
No MP3 chips there. Also the real time synths are all soft. Or will be
shortly. I work on those also.
ALSO not true if you are writing code for MAC & PC and using installed
codecs. Which I have also done.
So, you're wrong there. I don't design toys. Not that I wouldn't.but the
jobs that I have encountered paid too little and I could not accept them.

Also, you've confused the job of a designer with the
purchasing/manufacturing people. I don't negotiate prices for the parts I
use.


> You are at the mercy of the big chip makers.
> Alternative is use some software and a fast micro + DA, a lot more
> expensive.
>
> So this brings me to what is 'high bandwidth'.
> So please specify bit rate!
> 32 kbps versus 256 kbps mono at 48000 samples / second is easy to tell
> apart.
> When you get higher it becomes more subtle.

yes.. so you should assume I mean high bit rates.
setting aside the extremely low rates. I am referring to high rates which
would typically be used in a 5000 MPEG recorder.

>
> As for the 'trained' ear, that encompasses many things.
> I can hear the difference, and even tell you what is wrong with an amp,
> you
> can too, I am sure, crossover distortion, clipping, I have heard it, seen
> it
> on the scope, tried to prevent it in design.
> Intermodulation, RF oscillation, frequency roll of, noise, you can name it
> too.
> As engineer, if a sound technician says: 'I hear some distortion', you
> listen,
> and grab the equipment and go find it.

yes it is easy to tell if something is broken by listening.


> I have been in the situation where I could not hear it..
> But then you can measure it.

measure the difference between a high bit rate MP3 and an original audio
source? ok.

 

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"Bill Farnsworth" <bill.farnsworth@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote
>>
>> Nappy doesn't even have enough respect for the people in this newsgroup
>> to use his real name. This isn't an erotic binaries group Nap, come on,
>> stand up and be counted.

What for?


>
> Charlie,
> You and I both know that he can't use his real name. He doesn't have
> any credits. He's afraid that he'll be found out. He's smart enough to
> know that, with name in hand, it doesn't take more than a few seconds to
> find out who does what, and for how long nowadays. Especially in the
> production industry. That's how we figure out billing.
> He knows all to well that he doesn't have the chops to back up all the all
> that he claims to know. All he's good at is tossing out buzz word laced
> opinions based on product reviews and production technique articles he's
> gleaned from the internet. He's dug a hole and he likes it there.

good form Bill. But complete nonsense. Must be frustrating.


>
> (He's probably gonna take off his shirt, and get ready for the big fight!)
> *snicker*
>
> I killfiled the little pud a long time ago.
>
> Felt good.
>
> Bill F.
> www.billfarnsworthvideo.com
>
>

 

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"Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Nappy doesn't even have enough respect for the people in this newsgroup to
> use his real name. This isn't an erotic binaries group Nap, come on, stand
> up and be counted.
>

respect? I help people all the time in this NG. Respect has nothing to do
with it. I don't come here for respect. I don't get any either.

I have already explained a thousand times why I don't use my real name. And
while my credits are considerable I would never haul them out and parade
them in front of people I don't even know for some chest-puffing exercise.
If you have a problem with any of the points I make, go ahead and post it.
But no one ever does that they simply complain about me.

You would like everyone to agree always, no discussions, no debates, no
problems. I understand.

You guys are so full of yourselves it is funny.

 

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"nap" <gospam@yourself.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote in message
> news:VLmdnRHsvMIsq4DfRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>
>>
>>
>> Nappy doesn't even have enough respect for the people in this newsgroup
>> to use his real name. This isn't an erotic binaries group Nap, come on,
>> stand up and be counted.
>>
>
> respect? I help people all the time in this NG. Respect has nothing to do
> with it. I don't come here for respect. I don't get any either.
>
> I have already explained a thousand times why I don't use my real name.
> And while my credits are considerable I would never haul them out and
> parade them in front of people I don't even know for some chest-puffing
> exercise. If you have a problem with any of the points I make, go ahead
> and post it. But no one ever does that they simply complain about me.
>
> You would like everyone to agree always, no discussions, no debates, no
> problems. I understand.
>
> You guys are so full of yourselves it is funny.

How about this Nap. You do puff your chest and boast in many of your posts,
and more so than the others on these groups. You just hide behind your fear
of looking in the mirror and refuse to admit to your identity. Go over it
all again for the newbies....why is it you are special and don't feel a need
to be yourself? Are you fearful someone's gonna come and find your guest
cottage in the exclusive neighborhood you live in? Are you so humble that
you just don't want to take credit for all of your great accomplishments?

 

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> > Personally, I still use mp3enc 3.1@ 160.
> >
> > In the "old" days I would have encoded a file with Xing, Blade and
mp3enc @
> > 128, posted them in abt and have you tell me which one was "best". And
you
> > _wouldn't_ have been able to tell which one was which. But these days,
with
> > EncSpot and spectral analysis, it's now a moot point. Besides, who
cares?
>
>
> At 48k or 56k, the differences are quite audible. My clients care.

Huh?

mp3's @ 48 or 56 kps? Why bother? If your clients are listening to mp3's
encoded at that bitrate, sign language would be more effective.

 

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Chuck U. Farley wrote:
>>> Personally, I still use mp3enc 3.1@ 160.
>>> In the "old" days I would have encoded a file with Xing, Blade
>>> and mp3enc @ 128, posted them in abt and have you tell me which
>>> one was "best". And you _wouldn't_ have been able to tell which
>>> one was which. But these days, with EncSpot and spectral analysis,
>>> it's now a moot point. Besides, who cares?
>>
>>
>> At 48k or 56k, the differences are quite audible. My clients care.
>
>
> Huh?
>
> mp3's @ 48 or 56 kps? Why bother? If your clients are listening to mp3's
> encoded at that bitrate, sign language would be more effective.


Not everything is HiFi. These are spoken word recordings being downloaded by people on dialup connections.


For my own listening, I usually encode music at 160 ABR using LAME. It works well enough for headphone listening and casual playback.

 

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> >> At 48k or 56k, the differences are quite audible. My clients care.
> >
> >
> > Huh?
> >
> > mp3's @ 48 or 56 kps? Why bother? If your clients are listening to mp3's
> > encoded at that bitrate, sign language would be more effective.
>
>
> Not everything is HiFi. These are spoken word recordings being downloaded
by people on dialup connections.
>
>
> For my own listening, I usually encode music at 160 ABR using LAME. It
works well enough for headphone listening and casual playback.

As I said, in these days with EncSpot and spectral analysis, a true blind
testing of encoders and bitrates is a moot point because no one has the
balls to actually put their ears on the line and not use s/w tools. But, if
you really want to know if you can discern the difference between encoders
and bitrates go here:

http://www.imnsho.com/challenge.htm

and take the challenge.

 

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<panteltje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> nap wrote:
>> "Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1109261013.f29d9399b295d9a565eca777e04933a9@teranews...
>
>> yes it is easy to tell if something is broken by listening.
>>
>>
>> > I have been in the situation where I could not hear it..
>> > But then you can measure it.
>>
>> measure the difference between a high bit rate MP3 and an original
> audio
>> source? ok.
>
> I think you have shown in this posting, that as others also experienced
> it seems, you quote out of context, sort of changing what other people
> wrote.
> That or you have a reading problem.
> And I would like to see the power consumption of a 500 MHz processor
> cellphone

do you have any idea what processors are used in cell phones that have to
mantain connections, process audio, play video, stream MP3s, digitize images
etc? If you check into it you will see what I am talking about. Unless, like
most here you know zero about it and would rather insinuate that I know as
little as you. The next , and possibly a few in the current, wave of cell
phones will use 500-600 Mhz processors. Currently, none of the synthesizers
I know of running in cell phones have ANY hardware except the host processor
and a DSP chip. ie, there are no dedicated MP3 chips in current cell phone
designs.

hope that's clear now.


> doing soft decoding mp3, versus a dedicated chip.
> Standby time, play time....
> Important sales arguments.
>

 

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"G. John Garrett, C.A.S" <jg@soundcartREMOVE.com> wrote in message
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> You might want to know the guys you are calling stupid and blurting out
> "nonsense!" to have decades of experience at the top of the field,
> something that, with luck, you may live long enough to have a shot at.


Yeah.. so don't EVEN think of debating with them! DECADEs mind you! And G
John Garrett is SURE they know everything.



>
> Put a name in your post or we start killfiling you.

And that's bad because?


keeping this response in the video NGs.


>
> John
>

 

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"Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote in message
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> "nap" <gospam@yourself.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote in message
>> news:VLmdnRHsvMIsq4DfRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nappy doesn't even have enough respect for the people in this newsgroup
>>> to use his real name. This isn't an erotic binaries group Nap, come on,
>>> stand up and be counted.
>>>
>>
>> respect? I help people all the time in this NG. Respect has nothing to do
>> with it. I don't come here for respect. I don't get any either.
>>
>> I have already explained a thousand times why I don't use my real name.
>> And while my credits are considerable I would never haul them out and
>> parade them in front of people I don't even know for some chest-puffing
>> exercise. If you have a problem with any of the points I make, go ahead
>> and post it. But no one ever does that they simply complain about me.
>>
>> You would like everyone to agree always, no discussions, no debates, no
>> problems. I understand.
>>
>> You guys are so full of yourselves it is funny.
>
> How about this Nap. You do puff your chest and boast in many of your
> posts, and more so than the others on these groups. You just hide behind
> your fear of looking in the mirror and refuse to admit to your identity.
> Go over it all again for the newbies....why is it you are special and
> don't feel a need to be yourself?

I am myself. Not sure what you are talking about there Charles.



Are you fearful someone's gonna come and find your guest
> cottage in the exclusive neighborhood you live in?

It's not exclusive. Just expensive. My neighbors are all races and from all
over the world.


Are you so humble that
> you just don't want to take credit for all of your great accomplishments?

They only mean something to me. I didn't achieve them to impress others. I
see you have a nice long list of credits yourself. Good. But do they really
mean anything to me? No. Unless you sleep through life at my age, and
probably yours, you should have something to show for it.

Charles, you sound jealous.. After bringing up how Rich Jay is, too.. shame
shame..

enough about me.. the point I made still stands.. bet you can't remember
what that was eh?



Look.. if I am such a joker why would a guy with all of your credentials
waste so much time complaining about me?

Please killfile me already.





>

 

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On a sunny day (Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:09:13 GMT) it happened "nap"
<gospam@yourself.com> wrote in <teOTd.810$C47.636@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>:

>this might help you figure it all out
>
>http://news.com.com/2100-1040-249314.html?legacy=cnet
So, explain WHAT?
Headphones on the ARM output?
And it will still be MONO MONO MONO MONO MONO MONO MONO

Tell you wat I have a Dlink mp3 player, it uses memory cards, I have
had this many years.
If you want to know where Ipod look came from, this is it.
It is old, and has limited memory size, but it was FIRST.
The quality is good.
It is transparent, I can see the chips...
And it is STEREO STEREO STEREO STEREO

 

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> respect? I help people all the time in this NG. Respect has nothing to do
> with it. I don't come here for respect. I don't get any either.

No. Sorry. You don't. You just belittle the real work of others. And
throw around unsubstantiated claims of your own work.

> I have already explained a thousand times why I don't use my real name.

No you haven't. At least not beyond the lame excuse that spammers might
find you.

 

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And to add to that...if you are such a great programmer, you should be able
to setup an antispam system like the rest of us have.

--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
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>
>> respect? I help people all the time in this NG. Respect has nothing to do
>> with it. I don't come here for respect. I don't get any either.
>
> No. Sorry. You don't. You just belittle the real work of others. And
> throw around unsubstantiated claims of your own work.
>
>> I have already explained a thousand times why I don't use my real name.
>
> No you haven't. At least not beyond the lame excuse that spammers might
> find you.
>
>

 

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nap wrote:
> "Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote in message
> news:3rWdnUQje9xeQ4bfRVn-qg@comcast.com...
>
>>It's safe to say that while all of our skills and knowledge on this
>>newsgroup can at times be inconsistent, you Nappy, on the other hand,
>>consistently have the singular ability to offend.
>
> Can't help your emotional responses. Sorry. Don't be so offended. I disagree
> with Jay's tactics and I have the right to say so. I don't think Jay is the
> last word on camera audio quality and I am sick of him hawking his books
> here and elsewhere.
>
> Now if you are going to take my responses personally and whimper away... I
> can't help that.


Nap,

For a nice number of years now I've followed Jay Rose's articles in DV
magazine and other publications. I've purchased both of his books and
have recommended them to countless others. My feeling was that Jay's
writing was well thought out, concise, and helpful to a wide range of
readers. I especially appreciated the manner in which he could address
aspects of audio that made knowledge accessible to newcomers as well as
frequently containing enough depth to make them worthwhile to a more
experienced person with years of both audio and electronics experience
-- such as myself and many others in the newsgroup, for instance.

I have observed what I thought was Jay's generous assistance to those
who visited here online with more questions than answers and have
appreciated the fact that Jay didn't talk down to beginners, but
honestly tried to help them improve their sound. I was even under the
impression that when Jay undertook to compare equipment, he did so with
carefully specified test conditions that helped to reveal true
differences that matter to those of us in the field.

Yes, I must admit, I had always thought that his accomplishments spoke
for themselves...

But, then you showed up. I'm relieved to say that you wasted no time in
pointing out that Jay is really a charlatan with neither ability nor
style and that he shouldn't be considered as someone with even an
inkling of worthwhile audio knowledge.

Thank you for that. Up until your appearance I've been fooled by this
incompetent poser, but since you've finally arrived to set us straight,
I see the light. You've made me aware that, confronted by your
obviously superior wisdom, Jay should probably just shuffle off and
commit Hari-Kari.

Your depth of knowledge and experience is so superior that your total
lack of facts or evidence is of absolutely no consequence. Yours is the
voice of reason crying out from the darkness of a newsgroup in denial.

Now that you've weighed in, I understand so much more. Keep the
incredible insight coming. If you quit, what'll we ever do without you?


John Blankenship,
Indianapolis
(email: my initials at mw daht net)

 

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"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1109419050.0bfb807ce87c96f11674b0b85d27b2d4@teranews...
> On a sunny day (Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:09:13 GMT) it happened "nap"
> <gospam@yourself.com> wrote in
> <teOTd.810$C47.636@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>:
>
>>this might help you figure it all out
>>
>>http://news.com.com/2100-1040-249314.html?legacy=cnet
> So, explain WHAT?
> Headphones on the ARM output?
> And it will still be MONO MONO MONO MONO MONO MONO MONO
>
> Tell you wat I have a Dlink mp3 player, it uses memory cards, I have
> had this many years.
> If you want to know where Ipod look came from, this is it.
> It is old, and has limited memory size, but it was FIRST.
> The quality is good.
> It is transparent, I can see the chips...
> And it is STEREO STEREO STEREO STEREO
>

I have no idea what you are ranting about. It appears you've gone over the
edge. Maybe you shouldn't drink when you are posting.

 

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"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> And to add to that...if you are such a great programmer, you should be
> able to setup an antispam system like the rest of us have.
>

Oh, that's funny. There is no such thing as an anti-spam system. Just like
there is no umbrella that will keep you dry.

I don't think I ever said I was a great programmer.. don't be so anxious.




> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
> "Steve Guidry" <steveguidry@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:XIkUd.1114$wy3.938@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>>> respect? I help people all the time in this NG. Respect has nothing to
>>> do
>>> with it. I don't come here for respect. I don't get any either.
>>
>> No. Sorry. You don't. You just belittle the real work of others. And
>> throw around unsubstantiated claims of your own work.
>>
>>> I have already explained a thousand times why I don't use my real name.
>>
>> No you haven't. At least not beyond the lame excuse that spammers might
>> find you.
>>
>>
>
>

 

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"Steve Guidry" <steveguidry@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
>> respect? I help people all the time in this NG. Respect has nothing to do
>> with it. I don't come here for respect. I don't get any either.
>
> No. Sorry. You don't. You just belittle the real work of others. And
> throw around unsubstantiated claims of your own work.

who? Exactly who's 'real work' have I ever belittled?


>
>> I have already explained a thousand times why I don't use my real name.
>
> No you haven't. At least not beyond the lame excuse that spammers might
> find you.

Search back. But to be honest.. there is no reason ever to explain anything
to anyone here.

You have a killfile. Use it.




>
>

 

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On a sunny day (Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:11:00 GMT) it happened "nap"
<gospam@yourself.com> wrote in
<ooHUd.10046$Pz7.9600@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>:

>
>"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1109419050.0bfb807ce87c96f11674b0b85d27b2d4@teranews...
>> On a sunny day (Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:09:13 GMT) it happened "nap"
>> <gospam@yourself.com> wrote in
>> <teOTd.810$C47.636@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>:
>>
>>>this might help you figure it all out
>>>
>>>http://news.com.com/2100-1040-249314.html?legacy=cnet
>> So, explain WHAT?
>> Headphones on the ARM output?
>> And it will still be MONO MONO MONO MONO MONO MONO MONO
>>
>> Tell you wat I have a Dlink mp3 player, it uses memory cards, I have
>> had this many years.
>> If you want to know where Ipod look came from, this is it.
>> It is old, and has limited memory size, but it was FIRST.
>> The quality is good.
>> It is transparent, I can see the chips...
>> And it is STEREO STEREO STEREO STEREO
>>
>
>I have no idea what you are ranting about. It appears you've gone over the
>edge. Maybe you shouldn't drink when you are posting.
You fail to address the technical issues.
Your education is not in electronics.
You are no programmer ,at least not rge greatest as you yourself claim.
Now go play with your C*ll ph*ne
I only drink coffee, thee, yogurt, water, maybe some apple juice.
Without alcohol.
Now this likely does not fit your bloodtest.