News [The] Majority of gamers are still playing at 1080p and have no use for more than 8GB of memory': AMD justifies RX 9060 XT's 8GB of VRAM

[palladin9479]

Drivers can most definitely can define their own address space and map to physical memory regions in a driver.

Ehh no, drivers do not do that. Kernel drivers live in kernel memory space which is entirely separate from user memory space, and it's the kernel and wddm that does all that segment mapping and management. Drivers would only be responsible for the physical memory itself, and that is not linear. It maintains it's own internal table of physical addresses to memory buses.

Having said that, locking VRAM size is trivial by just not having the driver report it to the OS or just flatly refusing to address physical ranges beyond some value. No need to make unstable drivers and break modern Operating Systems.

In any case the idea is kinda... not smart. Then chip already has a defined bus width that determines memory size and speed. Sticking 1TB of VRAM won't change anything as compute and IO are bigger limiter in such an entry level GPU. Aka there is a reason the 5090 has a 512 bit memory bus.

 

[ilukey77]

If I am NOT a gamer, why should I pay for resources I will NEVER use? I don't need 16GB VRAM to edit photos @ 2K monitor resolution ...

Then buy an older card !!
Plenty of older cards that will support photo editing @ 2k ..

when your paying good money for the gpu theses days ( some would argue overpriced ) the 16gb should be the lowest !!

 

[ilukey77]

So you think everybody just cranks everything to Ultra? Not in the real world but if that's what you do great for you.

Dont think its about cranking everything to max but when some basic games are starved for Vram because of lower 8gb stuff..

The question remains if 16gb is pretty much all you need to play almost any game at decent enough frame rates then why are AMD and Nvidia still offering their 8gb rubbish at a premium ??

 

[kanewolf]

Then buy an older card !!
Plenty of older cards that will support photo editing @ 2k ..

when your paying good money for the gpu theses days ( some would argue overpriced ) the 16gb should be the lowest !!

Or let manufacturers make products how ever they want. Pay for the features you want. Manufacturers that don't have popular products will go out of business. When you run a company, then you can dictate the product features.

 

[ilukey77]

Or let manufacturers make products how ever they want. Pay for the features you want. Manufacturers that don't have popular products will go out of business. When you run a company, then you can dictate the product features.

No selling the same named gpu with 2 different Vram options is deceptive at best ..

Yet Nvidia have been doing this for a few gens now !!

Now AMD do it and claim well 1080p gamers only need 8gb any one with half a brain can see its a upsell to the 16gb model at the very least ..

Its not about the company can make there own decisions its about is it in the consumers best interest ,,

EA have been screwing gamers for 30 years and people are still dumb enough to support their bad behaviour despite the Trillions they have made ..

The more people defending this BS practice the more companies with run with it ..

So NO card should be less than 16gb !!

Also if i was Nvidia and i was going to sell you a 5090 with 32gb for 5060 ti price would you cry where is my 8gb $10 gpu because i dont need all the 32 gb ??

 

[thestryker]

Or let manufacturers make products how ever they want. Pay for the features you want. Manufacturers that don't have popular products will go out of business. When you run a company, then you can dictate the product features.

I think the point is more nobody should be happy about the prices on the products being brought to market. Now obviously the video card market is an effective monopoly with AMD previously not fighting on price and currently not having enough volume (Intel too here), but that doesn't mean buyers should be pleased with a purposeful segmentation designed for nothing but maximizing margins.

 

[kanewolf]

I think the point is more nobody should be happy about the prices on the products being brought to market. Now obviously the video card market is an effective monopoly with AMD previously not fighting on price and currently not having enough volume (Intel too here), but that doesn't mean buyers should be pleased with a purposeful segmentation designed for nothing but maximizing margins.

AS IT SHOULD BE. The companies are not charities. This is what capitalism is. Maximizing margins. If you want in on the maximization, then buy stock.
Are you also complaining about the cost of food and housing? Those are more legitimate areas than graphics cards. Maybe not in this forum, but in the grand scheme of things, PC parts are luxuries ...

 

[kanewolf]

No selling the same named gpu with 2 different Vram options is deceptive at best ..

Yet Nvidia have been doing this for a few gens now !!

Now AMD do it and claim well 1080p gamers only need 8gb any one with half a brain can see its a upsell to the 16gb model at the very least ..

Its not about the company can make there own decisions its about is it in the consumers best interest ,,

EA have been screwing gamers for 30 years and people are still dumb enough to support their bad behaviour despite the Trillions they have made ..

The more people defending this BS practice the more companies with run with it ..

So NO card should be less than 16gb !!

As long as it is clearly identified on the packaging, then it is NOT deceptive.
Not understanding YOUR requirements is not the vendor's problem.

 

[ilukey77]

AS IT SHOULD BE. The companies are not charities. This is what capitalism is. Maximizing margins. If you want in on the maximization, then buy stock.
Are you also complaining about the cost of food and housing? Those are more legitimate areas than graphics cards. Maybe not in this forum, but in the grand scheme of things, PC parts are luxuries ...

Agreed its luxuries BUT when gamers PC builders ETC ETC are getting less for more or very little uplift gen to gen ..

People should start to question the industry and its practices

Flip side of the 5090 is way over priced even to the point of pricing people out of gaming .. $6000aud for a 5090 i can buy a car for that ..

 

[kanewolf]

Agreed its luxuries BUT when gamers PC builders ETC ETC are getting less for more or very little uplift gen to gen ..

People should start to question the industry and its practices

Flip side of the 5090 is way over priced even to the point of pricing people out of gaming .. $6000aud for a 5090 i can buy a car for that ..

No, they should question their motivation for always chasing "better".

 

[ilukey77]

As long as it is clearly identified on the packaging, then it is NOT deceptive.

legally its not deceptive i know !!

But it is kinda a crappy way of marketing a GPU!!

People may think ohh wow a 9060xt at a cheaper price not 100% knowing its 8gb instead of 16gb ..

It happened quite alot with the 4060 ti 16gb 8gb and the other versions !!

All made to either confuse the consumer or upsell to the better version

 

[ilukey77]

No, they should question their motivation for always chasing "better".

why !!

everything gets better !!

By that argument people should question buying anything better than what they already have at a higher price ??

 

[kanewolf]

why !!

everything gets better !!

By that argument people should question buying anything better than what they already have at a higher price ??

Yes, they should question it. I didn't say don't. I just said question. So many people operate on FOMO, that they don't think about why they are doing things.
But I only buy a car every 15 years. I run an X370 motherboard with a 5700 (only because the 1700 wasn't supported by Win11). I have a1050ti graphics card. I also have a $2000 subwoofer. I am not the target audience for new graphics cards.

 

[thestryker]

AS IT SHOULD BE. The companies are not charities. This is what capitalism is. Maximizing margins. If you want in on the maximization, then buy stock.

Apparently you love what happens with monopolies, I don't.

Are you also complaining about the cost of food and housing? Those are more legitimate areas than graphics cards. Maybe not in this forum, but in the grand scheme of things, PC parts are luxuries ...

Ah the glorious whataboutism a sign of someone who doesn't actually have a valid stance.

 

[kanewolf]

Apparently you love what happens with monopolies, I don't.

Ah the glorious whataboutism a sign of someone who doesn't actually have a valid stance.

If NVIDIA is the worst monopoly you are aware of, then you need to read more.
Not "whataboutism". Just perspective. Back to my previous statement of PC parts being luxury items.

 

[thestryker]

If NVIDIA is the worst monopoly you are aware of, then you need to read more.

If you think that's what I wrote you need to learn to read.

Not "whataboutism". Just perspective. Back to my previous statement of PC parts being luxury items.

It's absolutely not perspective when you're trying to undermine an argument with such a ridiculous statement.

 

[kanewolf]

It's absolutely not perspective when you're trying to undermine an argument with such a ridiculous statement.

Obviously you and I don't agree on what is a necessity ...

 

[thestryker]

Obviously you and I don't agree on what is a necessity ...

No it's more like we don't agree that getting fleeced by companies on something that isn't necessary is okay.

You think it is, I think it isn't.

 

[kanewolf]

No it's more like we don't agree that getting fleeced by companies on something that isn't necessary is okay.

You think it is, I think it isn't.

I guess we do agree on that. If it is a luxury, then I AM less inclined to complain about the price. I just choose NOT to buy it if I don't like the price.
I also have investments. So a company like Apple, charging $1000 for a cell phone is fine by me. I won't personally buy the product, but I will share the profits they make by having stock in the company.

 

[ilukey77]

Yes, they should question it. I didn't say don't. I just said question. So many people operate on FOMO, that they don't think about why they are doing things.
But I only buy a car every 15 years. I run an X370 motherboard with a 5700 (only because the 1700 wasn't supported by Win11). I have a1050ti graphics card. I also have a $2000 subwoofer. I am not the target audience for new graphics cards.

I think as consumers we have the right to demand better of out products we buy ..

I understand that some people hold on to old things and have value in spending only what they need for the things they need and there is nothing wrong with that ..

Be it far from me to second guess or attack peoples financial situations ..

But that is why iam so against 8gb rubbish it 2025 there is no value in selling people bad products at a ever increasing price ..

Im still pissed at where has my 1000usd AMD flagship card gone ??

I see no value in ( to some degree ) downgrading my 7900xtx to a 9070xt !!

some rumours are saying MAYBE we will see a 9080xt with 32 gb and gddr7 in a gaming form if priced well i may jump ship if not ill wait till next gen now ..

So from gen to gen there should be a some sort of decent uplift that becomes the normal !!

while wildly different you might pay ( as a example ) 25k for a car 10 years ago with only a tape deck wind up windows etc etc ..

Your not going to or shouldnt be paying 30k 10 years later for a car with the same features as the 10 year older one..

Thats why i argue on this 8gb BS because they are selling near on 10 year old junk at a higher price !!

 

[Zerk2012]

The question remains if 16gb is pretty much all you need to play almost any game at decent enough frame rates then why are AMD and Nvidia still offering their 8gb rubbish at a premium ??

You need to read that article again.
The Steam data showed the market for a 8GB card so they made one, what's the problem?
Not everybody plays the latest demanding games, again the Steam data backs that up.
$300 is not a premium card anymore and probably never will be again. It's 10% of the price of a premium card 5090.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=587

 

[ak47jar3d]

You need to read that article again.
The Steam data showed the market for a 8GB card so they made one, what's the problem?
Not everybody plays the latest demanding games, again the Steam data backs that up.
$300 is not a premium card anymore and probably never will be again. It's 10% of the price of a premium card 5090.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=587

I think the issue is amd and nvidia are affecting the numbers by not providing a higer vram alternative. Like the 4060 laptop gpu is good example because those laptops are sooo much cheaper than 4070 laptops giving gamers no choice. Steam numbers not the end all be all either. That's lot of really old stuff that charts on those list including integrated graphics and card like the 1650. No one should be recommending those for modern gaming nor should we refrain from criticizing nvidia or amd for gpus with the same vram as a gtx 1070 and an xbox series s. It clearly has gone on for way too long.

 

[ingtar33]

I hate to break it to you but I am techno agnostic. I don't give two sh*ts about Nvidia or AMD. AMD trying to pawn off an 8GB GPU is laughable.

hmmm

and nvidia selling the 5060 and 5060ti with 8gb is fine in your eyes. your fanboying is showing.

 

[Notton]

If it's not mentioned already, I've seen rumors that steam hardware survey doesn't correctly identify the RX9000 series.
Instead, it's identified as an iGPU

 

[rambo919]

You need to read that article again.
The Steam data showed the market for a 8GB card so they made one, what's the problem?
Not everybody plays the latest demanding games, again the Steam data backs that up.
$300 is not a premium card anymore and probably never will be again. It's 10% of the price of a premium card 5090.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=587

This is a perception problem..... not playing the most demanding games does not equal to not wanting to play the most demanding games.

And whether a card is labeled premium or not does not affect whether it has a premium price or not.

Either way there is no feasible way the current situation can hold for much longer, consumer spending will eventually drop off in any market once overpricing for available buying power has reached the right threshold. If you upgraded every year you will now upgrade every 2-3 years, if you did every 2-3 years it will me closer to 4-8 years. The further down the price bracket that has jumped too far out of reach you go the longer the period between purchases becomes.

This can only mean that they literally don't care about consumers anymore because they are just a periphery market now..... they can afford to lose these customers so they focus on their actual customers instead. Nvidia specifically does not want to be a gaming company anymore so they wont mind all that much gamers not buying anything from them at all except for the bad PR it will cause.

It could be that they are delusional and think everyone actually can afford the pricing they are forcing and are confused at the low inventory movement speed figures.... but then again this is made up for by their actual customers later buying up what is available.

Inevitably I think high end gaming is dying a slow and then sudden death, not because no one wants it.... because no one can afford it especially given that you now also need to constantly upgrade your monitors as well.... which gives the misimpression that no one wants OLED monitors because everyone is buying IPS.

Steam surveys don't give nearly the full picture it is assumed they give even IF they represented all PC gaming.