The Xbox 720 will use the Radeon HD 6670 card !

[esrever]

Im just thinking in a year, you should be able to build a computer with a 6870 and a cheap 4 core cpu for $500, it would be even cheaper for MS to make it as an integrated machine. Would be able to sell it for $499 launch price and still be good. Im not sure how cheap they want to next gen to be.

the 6670 can't even run today's games at 1080p well enough to be worth it. 6x as powerful as the 360 won't really help when you want to shoot for 1080p at 60fps.

needs 2.5x the pixels at 2x the speed. Which will mean you have very little room for performance gains over the xbox unless you want to run it at lower res and lower fps.

 

[Vettedude]

MS will probably go Quad Core with the 6670 and bundle Kinect, get a Halo game, and be happy as they roll in money.

Sony will probably go with a 6 or 8 core (not Cell based, I'm talking Intel based, rumor has it Intel was working with a console maker, probably Sony) with a GTX 570 (since for some reason they like Nvidia even though they go screwed over with the RSX). Sony likes powerful, look at the Vita, first quad core mobile system mass produced. Thus why I love Playstation systems, Sony is willing to put some good hardware in them.

 

[FlintIronStagg]

MS will probably go Quad Core with the 6670 and bundle Kinect, get a Halo game, and be happy as they roll in money.

Sony will probably go with a 6 or 8 core (not Cell based, I'm talking Intel based, rumor has it Intel was working with a console maker, probably Sony) with a GTX 570 (since for some reason they like Nvidia even though they go screwed over with the RSX). Sony likes powerful, look at the Vita, first quad core mobile system mass produced. Thus why I love Playstation systems, Sony is willing to put some good hardware in them.

how is all of this relevant?
all i ever see in these types of therads are realy misinformed projections based on opinion.
Now if someone came to the table with some concrete facts of what is going to be in them hardware wise then maybe we could have a conversation with some ground to walk on.
there is no way that sony or microsoft will put 1200.00 worth of hardware in their systems to sell a console at 400-600 dollars. If that were to happen the software would be ungodly pricy

 

[Vettedude]

I'm going off of projections based on the history of the companies. Sony slaps a quad in the Vita, they will probably put an 8 in PS4. And anyways, bulk discounts work in their favor, and with the cost of Blu Ray drives down (the biggest cost of the PS3) they wouldn't have to sell it for all that much.

 

[FlintIronStagg]

If you start out with a 300.00 gpu theb new tech from Intel as you say plus labor and.such as well as all components... I highly doubt it

 

[esrever]

The ps4 is going with AMD not nvidia this time too and they will not go intel. Nobody wants to pay intel for the x86 cpus when they don't need to. Im guessing the cpu will both be a quad core IBM power cpu with 8 threads.

Im still doubting the 6670 as the gpu for the xbox and I expect both the ps4 and the nextbox to ship with GCN since the xbox shipped the R600 unified architecture when it launched which was just released when the 360 came out.

Shifting toward a 6670 doesn't make much sense.

 

[nagol567]

hopefully they will have something powerful like a 6950. ittle probably be underclocked... but i guess itll be ok once they optimize for it. i wander if new games from xbox and ps3 will be better optimized for PC's if they use a card as such.

 

[biscuitasylum]

I remember when Super Nintendo ran on the same Processor Chips that were in the Apple IIGS.

 

[hameem 1]

Nope. Its called Optimization. When developing for PS3, devs can look and say: "Alright, we have 256MB of XDR RAMBUS, 256 MB of GDDR3, we have to get it to run on the RSX and Cell, and that's it

and then will say "what we can make of that ? nothing than a 8-bit game

PC games has some thing called "minimum system requirement" and its usually 2.6 dual core CPU and a 2G ram+ gt 9800 or HD 4850
they can say we have the 2.6 dual core with a 2G ram and a GT 9800 OR 4850 and that's it.


in consoles there is Xbox and PS3 each one has its own graphic card architecture. . so it will be the same as (PS3 RSX , Xbox ati GPU) = (gt 9800 , HD 4850)
+ Nvidia and AMD are very supported in PC games because its the main PC GPU manufactures. . if you play PC games . . you will notice a logo of Nvidia or AMD at almost every PC game at the start

so any one that has any better card or more RAM or faster CPU will run the game as any one else that meats the minimum requirement . . that will attract more gamres and the computer companies will win

*- but console makers doesn't want that . . so they make any thing to make gamers on other platform tired from upgrading over and over and give up and buy a console from them, so they can win.

 

[t178abc]

the next gen gaming console "Xbox 720" will use the HD 6670 graphic card and will deliver "six" times the graphics power of the xbox 360 ? how is that possible ?
i mean the xbox 360 which uses the low end X1900 card is beating up PCs with high end gtx 460 . . and the next xbox will be six times more powerful . . and will beat up a high end sandy bridge PC with a high end 6970 card . .
so Whats the secret ?

source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-25-next-xbox-gpu-based-on-50-radeon-hd-6670-card-report

With all due respect, man, are you nuts? The 460 completely and utterly destroys the 360 in terms of graphical performance. Take any decent console to PC port, for instance. 360 games (and PS3 games) almost universally run at 720p with a frame rate capped at 30fps (that occationally drops). The PC version however will - on a 460 (if it's not a game that is immensely improved in terms of textures, effects, lighting, etc. on PC, like BF3, for instance) run at 1080p at a stable 60fps, if not higher. You sir, are objectively incorrect.

 

[Vettedude]

and then will say "what we can make of that ? nothing than a 8-bit game

PC games has some thing called "minimum system requirement" and its usually 2.6 dual core CPU and a 2G ram+ gt 9800 or HD 4850
they can say we have the 2.6 dual core with a 2G ram and a GT 9800 OR 4850 and that's it.


in consoles there is Xbox and PS3 each one has its own graphic card architecture. . so it will be the same as (PS3 RSX , Xbox ati GPU) = (gt 9800 , HD 4850)
+ Nvidia and AMD are very supported in PC games because its the main PC GPU manufactures. . if you play PC games . . you will notice a logo of Nvidia or AMD at almost every PC game at the start

so any one that has any better card or more RAM or faster CPU will run the game as any one else that meats the minimum requirement . . that will attract more gamres and the computer companies will win

*- but console makers doesn't want that . . so they make any thing to make gamers on other platform tired from upgrading over and over and give up and buy a console from them, so they can win.

Developing a game for 2 combinations of GPU+CPU+RAM is a lot easier than developing for a platform that has endless combination possibilities.

 

[esrever]

the minimal requirements of pc games ussually run about as good as the 360 and the ps3.

 

[t178abc]

there most be some thing that gaming console makers use to enhance the performance !!
it can't be a very weak xbox 360 can run crysis 2 at 60fps with NO lag
the consoles makers are keeping these secret hardware only for them to make more money . . and companies like Nvidia and AMD take advantage of PC games to sell them more and more expensive cards while still seeking for more

Nope, Crysis 2 on the 360 runs at a native resolution of 1152x720 (source: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241) at a frame rate that varies between 15 and 30 fps depending on the situasion (source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-crysis2-face-off?page=2). Also, Crysis 2 on the consoles looks significantly worse (fewer dynamic lights and shadows, more pop-in) than even the lowest preset on the PC (source: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-tech-comparison-crysis2). Consoles aren't magical, and people should stop thinking that they are. Very, very few console games run at 60fps (Call of Duty is perhaps the most famous exception, but that comes at a price of reduced native res and generally unimpressive visuals).

and how it could be no such FPS drop in the consoles ?
i have saw a video on you tube of some one calculating the FPS of the PS3 while playing just cause 2 on the PS3 with on screen FPS icon . . IT NEVER DROP BELOW 60fps !!
while WE.. the PC gamers have to meat the recommended system requirements and more to get a decent lagg XD

Again, you're demostrably wrong. It sometimes drops between 20 fps! Again, I've got sources: http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digitalfoundry-just-cause-2-performance-analysis

The consoles are pretty unimpressive at this point in time.

 

[t178abc]

Im pretty sure you can run an 360 game on pc with 2x the power of the 360 as well as the 360. So with 2x the performance of the 6670, you are looking at a 6790 being able to play all the games next gen at performance levels of the xbox, which is kinda pathetic.

You don't need twice the power of a console to run the game on PC at console equivalent settings. That is ridiculous. You might need slightly more power than the 360, it being a closed system and all, but to suggest even 2x is absurd!

 

[esrever]

You don't need twice the power of a console to run the game on PC at console equivalent settings. That is ridiculous. You might need slightly more power than the 360, it being a closed system and all, but to suggest even 2x is absurd!

The 3870 is about 2x as power as the 360's gpu and you will need it to run current gen games.

 

[hameem 1]

why Microsoft doesn't use something stronger like the HD 6850 instead of the very weak 6670 ?

 

[Cryosis00]

I mean Microsoft can put a 7970 in the xbox if you want. Hope you don't mind a $1000 or more price tag.

Xbox is purpose built and runs a singular engine that all design work is built around.

The raw power mentality in racing holds true for this discussion. You don't necessarily need a higher horsepower engine to make a car go faster. You can optimize other areas of the car such as weight.

You can not compare an xbox's specs to a computer....... so stop it already.

 

[wolfram23]

These are all rumors anyway. My bet is they'll use mobile components to keep power down. Maybe 6850m or something... which is pretty shitty but whatever.

If they do use the 6670, it's supposed to be about 6x faster than the current 360. I think this will definitely bring the minimum level of detail way way up and help the PC ports immensely.

I know devs can better optimize performance on consoles, but it would be really great if consoles and PCs could all use the same API (Direct X, OpenGL, other) so that we all get optimizations. Yeah, you'll still need a slightly beefier PC because of background processes (windows) but it's not by much. Of course, it would also be kind of awesome for low end PCs if we could go back to running games from DOS. Not that I'd bother, but if you wanted to build a $400 PC you should be able to get at least as good of performance in games as a console.

 

[wh3resmycar]

You can not compare an xbox's specs to a computer....... so stop it already.

actually you can.

and talks about "DEVS OPTIMIZING PERFORMANCE ON CONSOLES" are pipe dreams. THEY DON"T OPTIMIZE, they just make the GRAPHICS SUCK A LITTLE BIT , kids aged 10 to 15 can appreciate.

talks like these always make it sound like there's "SOME MAGIC" behind console quality graphics vs PC graphics.

if somehow some of you people do get stunned by a console game's graphics the past 5 years you guys should should stick to low/medium settings sub 720p. that would make some fun console-like experience.

 

[FlintIronStagg]

Wow why the hate?
Console resolution is upscaled to 1080, and the developers do have to make certain sacrafices to get around that ancient hardware. With.that said, there are development/scripting tricks they can use to make something run better on a specific configuration.

 

[jaguarskx]

These are all rumors anyway. My bet is they'll use mobile components to keep power down. Maybe 6850m or something... which is pretty shitty but whatever.

Doubtful since mobile components usually costs more. The point is to create a console with a low enough price point where it will not take a 7 or more years to break even... Unless someone gives MS an ultimatum that the 3rd gen Xbox cannot use more than 99w of power.

 

[Drazhar]

i love how PC gamers actually get butt hurt over the PC/Console deal.. fact of the matter is this!

Consoles like the 360 and even the ps3 do a great job of playing games at low cost to the consumer.. and that's with great graphics on a nice massive TV.

Xbox 360 is in its 7th year now.. 7 years on! and still playing games of today and these Dev's actually love programming for the Xbox Despite its hard wear age..

and people that say a console will never be as good as a PC.. are just ignorant, as its no secret that on launch, the xbox 360 was very powerful and was better than MOST! PC's even tho its GPU was based off a sub high end GPU, after customization and given a solid architecture, it was leaps and bounds ahead of any gaming pc that was under 2 grand.

sure tho, after about 10-12 months the PC caught up and started taking the lead, now we are 7 years in,... the PC is clearly ahead! but is it SO far ahead that the Xbox games are just crap and unbearable to look at? hell no! play games like Forza 4 and Gow3 on Xbox and uncharted 3 on ps3 and you'll see that games still look Great.. there is no way you can show me a PC that's 7 years old and costing 199 bucks could come even close to playing these kind of games..

and i truly believe that when the next gen Xbox arrives and or the ps4, they will be GREAT! and will match any affordable gaming rig.

anyway, just for the Record, im not a "fan-boy" i am just a fan of technology and tech growth and i love watching gaming platforms grow! regardless of what platform it is.

with all this said about how good the xbox and ps3 still is, im growing very bored of them, i have played the xbox now for nearly 7 damn years! its about time for the new gen of consoles to come out.

 

[FlintIronStagg]

You are so misinformed its insane.

 

[Drazhar]

care to elaborate?

 

[cbrunnem]

Agreeing with flint... Console wlill and never will be more powerful then a pc