THGC VGA Spec. project

TheGreatGrapeApe · Oct 28, 2003

Neo Magic RoX! I'v got 2 different 256(s) (I think) on my T-pads one w/ 2.5 mb and one w/ 11 mb of shared! 😎

EDIT: and my old P150 based one had a NEOMAGIC-128 w/ 1mb shared!

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Edited by TheGreatGrapeApe on 10/27/03 07:10 PM.

GeneticWeapon · Oct 28, 2003

Mine has great DVD playback at least....

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Oct 28, 2003

What's a DVD?

My T-PADs shudder when I put a VCD in! :lol:

(But not for long!

)

Anywho, got get finished at work (been waiting on the server) so I can go home and install them new Cats you gave me.

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GeneticWeapon · Oct 28, 2003

I help because you suck

cdpage · Oct 28, 2003

I agree the second chart is realy nice and extencive...

however. like ufo was saying, you can still imporve on that. adding more things, possilby links, pictures, manufatures...

those would be nice too.most of all its got to be easy to use...

Now i don't know too much programing but it would be nice if someone knew how to make a comparison chart... where one could choose say up to 5 cards and compare them side by side...even in order of price or speed or date or what ever,... then you have a kick ass setup

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Spitfire_x86 · Oct 29, 2003

No chart is perfect. The second chart DOES have wrong info.

It says that R9000 has 4 pipeline and 1 TMU/pipe (same as R9200), actually it has 6 pipeline and 1 TMU/pipe.

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ufo_warviper · Oct 29, 2003

I'm still willing as ever to work on a chart as much as ever, if y'all would still like. One thing that needs to be done to make our chart of extremely great value is to take a unique or simplified approach. Maybe even having sets of charts with commentaries on each one just like CDpage suggested. I relaly like that idea. Regular people who look at these charts are going to get confused on all of the new terms introduced into a chart. So, in addition to commentary we could have a glossary of Graphics related terms. (I guess sort of like what CS was suggesting) For people like us who want to get really technical we could have a "Graphics Card Mini-encyclopedia" with articles that provide in-depth discussion about majorly important Graphics related topics sort of like GeneticWeapon's very impressive analysis of vertex and pixel shaders.

Hold on..... I think I'm getting off-topic from the chart now, so I'll quit while I'm ahead 😱

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GeneticWeapon · Oct 29, 2003

I tried my shader post out at the guru3d forums and they stickied it there too

<A HREF="http://www.guru3d.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68360" target="_new">http://www.guru3d.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68360</A>

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Spitfire_x86 · Oct 29, 2003

Congrats! I think other posters should delete their post from your sticky

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GeneticWeapon · Oct 29, 2003

Well, it would have a bunch of "post deleted's" if they did. I figured Fredi would have removed them but...

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ufo_warviper · Oct 29, 2003

This is just an idea, but it might work out for the better if those who want to contribute to the information in your thread who were lucky enough to have a post before your thread got "stuck" to keep their first post reserved for providing addition and/or complementary information alongside yours. I've thought of deleting my posts, but I thought I felt reservation towards doing so for those "just=in-case" scenarios.

Congrats on getting the sticky in the other hardware forum, it was more than well-deserved.

Oh BTW, we're going to have additional information about 3D cards added to your thread in the future, won't we? While I find the information provided in your thread very valuable, I would think that having an entire sticky devoted towards "Vertex & Pixel Shaders" would be a little narrow (Especially if a sticky dedicated entirely to VS & PS only still exi here 10 years from now, PS & VS may be obsolete or replaced by a new technology). But I think you said you had plans to expand it anyway so I'm not worried. What I'm interested in though, is what kinds of topics your "Guide" will encompass"?

If you need any help with this thing, I'm just a PM away, and I have no objections to contributing to this. But if y'all think its more worthwhile that I stick to the charts & Graphics Card History Project, I'll go ahead and leave this to GW & whomever he designates to assist him.

Now for some ideas for some Basic topics that could be covered in the future:

1. Transform & Lighting
2. Ansiotropic Filtering
3. Full Scene Antialiasing
4. DVD-Encoding specifics
5. Polygons & Triangles
6. Pixel/Rendering Pipelines
7. The Importance of Memory Bandwidth & Definition
8. The Importance of Pixel Fillrate & Definition
A. What is a Gigapixel/sec?
B. What is a Texel/sec?
9. What is OpenGL?
10. What is DirectX?
11. etc, etc, etc, etc....

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Oct 29, 2003

I'm gonna change my post to contradict everything you said and call you names, unless you send me <A HREF="http://161.58.5.90/austin/1million.wav" target="_new">One Miiiillllllliiiooonn Dollllllaaaaarrrsss!</A> :evil:

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Oct 29, 2003

It says that R9000 has 4 pipeline and 1 TMU/pipe (same as R9200), actually it has 6 pipeline and 1 TMU/pipe.

Huh?

Do you have a reference for this?

I think you are confusing textures per pas with pixel pipelines.

Either that or there's some performance in my R9000non-pro that I haven't unlocked yet!

Just for a little background: <A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20020819/radeon9700-03.html" target="_new">THG</A> , <A HREF="http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2002q3/radeon-9000pro/index.x?pg=1" target="_new">theTechReport</A> and <A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles/r9000pro/index.html" target="_new">Digit-Life</A>

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eden · Oct 29, 2003

Yeah for a second I wondered since when were there odd grades of numbers in pipeline amounts.
Spitty's gotta watch out for such errors in his charts!

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cdpage · Oct 29, 2003

Well UFO, I would love to help you here somehow, but i think the only way i can is after your finished. I am a Graphic designer, and perhaps i can make a nice layout or something...and PDF it perhaps?...or web page...or flash even...

just a suggestion... let me know what you think.

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ufo_warviper · Oct 29, 2003

Which would be easier for you? I think more people have Adobre Acrobat than Macromedia Flash Player.

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cdpage · Oct 29, 2003

this is true.

i guess i should just take a look at all the info first...if it can be layed out simply for a PDF(meaning something that would work on paper) then i'll do that.

but if it begins to get heavy, too much content all in one place, might require links or hollovers or something more interactive.

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Spitfire_x86 · Oct 30, 2003

Thanks!

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Spitfire_x86 · Oct 30, 2003

I think we should stop working on our own chart. Should I put the 2nd link of GreatGrapeApe in buyers' guide?

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ufo_warviper · Oct 30, 2003

Okay, if this is the case, would you find working on my sample of "Graphics Card History" would be beneifical, or should I try to assist GW, with his work?

Does everyone else think I outta slap the epitaph on the tombsone of the chart I made already, or should we hold it pending for more work, or continue to currently update, and modify it?

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Oct 30, 2003

Why not just put them all in and let people decide which info they like best. Rememebr these links will/may change.

But that's just a suggestion.

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Spitfire_x86 · Oct 30, 2003

I don't like the Techreport chart. I will put link to user.erols.com and area3d.net charts

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Spitfire_x86 · Oct 30, 2003

I think updating our chart is unnecessary. I won't delete it. If we see that all of the charts are not being updated for several months, then we will update (and complete) our own chart.

You can do both. Helping GW or working on "Graphics Card History", both are going to be useful.

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ufo_warviper · Oct 30, 2003

Thankyou for not deleting it. But would you mind including a link to it inside your Buyer's Guide since I invested so much time into it specfically for the community?

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Spitfire_x86 · Oct 31, 2003

It's not finished. You want link to an unfinished chart?

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