This PC vs Xbox One X

[killerabdb]

Guys, would this PC spec be more powerful than an Xbox One X?

CPU: i5-8500
GPU: RX 580 8GB
RAM: Corsair Vengeance DDR4 16GB 2733MHz
Motherboard: ASUS PRIME Z370-P
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Series 80 PLUS Gold 550W

 

[dogma420]

Guys, would this PC spec be more powerful than an Xbox One X?

CPU: i5-8500
GPU: RX 580 8GB
RAM: Corsair Vengeance DDR4 16GB 2733MHz
Motherboard: ASUS PRIME Z370-P
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Series 80 PLUS Gold 550W

on paper, your spec is 'more powerful' than an xbox 1x....

however, remember, that any game that comes out on the 1x has an advantage: the developer knows EXACTLY what system he is optimizing his product for.

when designing a game for PC, the developer has to make 'generic considerations' to run on lots of different platforms.

making your game install and run fine on a i7 with GTX ti OR a i3 with on-board graphics.

above is a huge difference, and I'm not saying everything will run on that low spec system, but that is the general idea.

If the developer knows exactly what the system is he is programming for (ie. 1x) then he can make a lot of gambles that you would never make on a product that has to run on many different spec systems (ie. PCs).

 

[animemangamer]

Did you consider modding as well? Modding on PC is so much easier and the array of mods - greater. PCs really shine in Skyrim and Fallout 4 simply because of mods.

and GTA V, etc.

Trainers and cheats #YOLO

 

[mjbn1977]

no console can really do 4k....they do but by sacrificing so much graphic details, distance view, AA, amount of NPCs, etc. that a game gets kinda butchered. Its all just marketing hype. Every modern PC with at least a GTX1060 (even a GTX980) will be able to achive the same "4k" experience as the Xbox X, if not even better. But usually PC players are used to overall much better FPS and level of detail, smoothness, anti aliasing than console players. Even so they might think they play in "4k". They do, but I call it butchered "4k" because a PC player would never go for those kind of graphic compromises on the PC.

If you compare same game on any console with an up to date high end or even mid-level pc, you will see noticeable differences.

 

[frimdent]

I love the PC but optimization for the cross platform games are far better on the consoles

 

[Berain]

Honestly it all comes down to what you value. A decent mid range pc will probably last longer and have more options but will require more knowledge and take more work for the best possible experience, whereas a console will be easier to use and generally cheaper while having some exclusives that may never be available on pc. While I agree that the best possible experience can usually be had on PC, many games are optimized for specific consoles to provide a generally more favorable experience than on PC. If gaming with friends is important to you, then you may need to consider which system they use also, as cross platform gaming has not been fully implemented (or might never be if you use a Sony PS4.)

The over all experience that you the gamer wants is probably the biggest factor to consider when deciding if you want a console vs. PC. More power does not always mean better.

 

[mjbn1977]

I agree. You will always have much better optics and smoothness on a good PC, but it will cost you up to 4 times as much as a good console. Consoles are nice and quick plug and play, no trial and error with graphic settings etc. You can focus on the gaming.

 

[t99]

You can't compare Xbox 30fps 4k to pc ultra 30fps 4k. Xbox is going to be lowering the crap out of those settings, it would be more like comparing Xbox 30fps 4k to pc medium settings with some optional settings off, not much of the fancy stuff @30fps. I think your set up can run 4k low settings 30fps on a lot of high end games.

If you don't have a 4k display there is a very ver5 simple way to test this. Just upscale in the settings. Almost every AAA game has a setting called resolution scale and setting to max while in 1080p runs the game in 4k so you have less aliasing and smoother picture. You can also enable the option to simply select a higher resolution. In amd setting select I believe it's called virtual super resolution or something, not on my PC right now.. then you can run put it anywhere you want.

Personally I would Never take 4k 30fps over 1080p 60fps, 30fps eeeeewwww how can anyone play like this? I'm telling you, once you get use to 60fps you don't settle for 30. It looks extremely laggy and simply does not feel right anymore. It's fine before you experience 60,, but once you do there is no going back.

I think it's realistic to assume in many AAA games that build could run in 2.5k 50 to 60fps on custom settings.. mixture of medium to ultra.

If you are new to pc gaming avoid this huge mistake many make, lose the idea that ultra preset means anything. So many are like omg I have to run ultra preset, but this is really one of the dumbest things people do. You can't tell the difference in many games between ultra and say high or a custom mix, but yet you can often gain as much as 20 to 50% more fps. It can be the difference between running in at 48fps vs 60 or 40 vs 53.. 53 appears very close in smoothness to 60, but 40 feels much more like 30 than 60. That alone could make a huge difference in gameplay.

In almost every game you can turn shadows from ultra to high and gain a huge performance boost. It's all about knowing which settings eat up your fps while giving minor visual improvements. Unless you are taking screenshots and comparing them on a 50inch display, it's extremely difficult to spot these small differences.

Try looking at the difference between high and ultra shadows vs high and medium or low. There is always a point where you start to gain much much less. You can very easily spot the difference between medium and high, but not do mucb between high and very high, then VH to ultra is almost not noticeable. You can settle for high or very high gain 5fps and be happy. I haven't used preset settings in years and never will. Maybe if I am running a 700$ gpu with a 400$ gpu. But I use rx480 and ryzen 5 2600


Oh another thing people always forget comparing Xbox to pc. You will save a ton of money on games while using a pc. I'm not talking about pirating, they simply cost way way less. I got destiny 2 for 12$ along with several other games on humble bundle.

The only way you pay the same is if you buy the same day it comes out. Even then you often pay 10 to 15% less. Plus pc has Tons of amazing free games. Games on Xbox usually stay the same price for a while. The money I save on games every 2.5 years basically pays for a new gpu

 

[YoAndy]

Disadvantages of A Gaming PC:

Bios updates are a pain in the (you know what)
No 4k HDR support for netflix, Amazon etc.
Most games are being developed with consoles in mind and some are console exclusive
While playing games uses random online servers and some times are low quality self paid servers.
You get no customer support or warranty, other than the warranty from the individual hardware manufacturers.
First you need a lot of gaming-related hardware like high performance mouse and keyboard, etc. which adds to the cost, making it a lot more expensive than a Xbox One X.
As PC’s are made for a lot more other tasks than gaming, doing anything else in the background while gaming can affect performance and can cause lags in games.
Any undesired change in PC hardware can crash a game, making it unplayable.
You need to pre-install a lot of software (Visual C+, Visual Basic, Direct X, Origin, Steam, UPlay etc.) to be able to play a particular game (software varies per game, for e.g. you need to install steam to play Counter Strike, Origin to play Need For Speed Payback/FIFA 18, UPlay to play Watch Dogs 2 etc.), making it a complicated process.
Is always open to viruses and hackers.(need antivirus software)

Advantages of Gaming PC:

You get to have fun upgrading and customizing your PC.
You can choose what hardware you want in your PC, and the components can be replaced by newer components, making you PC last 10 or even 20 years (or more!).
No extra subscription required to play games. Just buy a game and play online multiplayer for free!
Performance of Gaming PC’s are always a notch better than consoles if you are ready to pay the a premium price
You can change save-games manually or install mods.

Disadvantages of Xbox One X:

You need to pay monthly Xbox Gold membership just to be able to play online via multiplayer.
Xbox One X hardware is not upgrade able, so it may become obsolete in about 7–8 years and you might have to buy a new console to play the games of that generation.

Advantages of Xbox One X:

Many exclusive gaming titles not found in PC.
With xbox live membership you get free and discounted games.
No extra hardware components required. All you need is a HDTV or a 4k TV and unlimited internet connection.
No chance of piracy; all games are downloaded only from the Xbox Live Store.
No lag problems, for the games are tuned to run on Xbox hardware smoothly. (NO NEED FOR DRIVERS)
Can stream live videos/ YouTube/movies directly to your TV in 4K, making it a smart TV (if it isn’t one).
Can play Blu-ray disks.
Way Cheaper
You can play while sitting on the couch or laying in your own bed.

Those are my cons and pros, note that I own multiple Xboxes and multiple PC's.

 

[Berain]

Lets break this down to an easier to read post.

Xbox vs Pc

Price: Xbox wins
Best looking: PC wins
Ease of use: Xbox wins
Value: varies based on user
Performance: varies based on user
AAA title availability: Xbox wins
Longevity: PC wins.

I have both and both are amazing at different things depending on what you want it for. Most gamers tend to go for ease of use and price, which makes me lean towards xbox for most everyday users. I am a pc enthusiast, but the amount of time spent making everything work together to get the best possible experience might often feel more like a chore to some people and end up costing quite a bit more in my experience.

Ultimately, there is no right or wrong answer and everything is arguable. This has just been my personal experience.

 

[mjbn1977]

In order to answer killerabdb's question: many game developers commented that the Xbox One X is in about the same league as a GTX1060 when the game is well optimized. Since you asking about a RX580 which is comparable to a GTX1060, and you using a 6 core Coffee Lake processor which is a very nice gaming CPU, I would say those PC specs are at least level, if not (much) better, than the Xbox One X for gaming. The better is in regards to graphic quality, fps potential. That means not overall better gaming solution. This really depends on what you trying to compare.

 

[mjbn1977]

I'd take the PC 100 times out of 100. Apart from specific game releases that ONLY come out for xbox, which there aren't many, it's the PC every time. It's a much better experience. That PC spec is much more powerful than an Xbox One x or any other current gen console.

That PC would be very capable, give better graphics than the Xbox, plus is much more configurable. You can do much more with a PC. You can always upgrade components down the line, and still have a kick ass system for 4-5 years (depending on what you upgrade, and what you upgrade to!)

Thanks for that, but why is it that the X1X can do 4K at a stable 30fps while something like this PC spec would struggle to do 4K 30fps stable on ultra? If this spec is more powerful than an X1X, then surely it should be able to match the Xbox's 4K performance or even exceed it? I don't get it.

Easy answer: the stable 4K 30fps on the X1X have nothing to do with the Ultra Settings on the PC. It is more like a combination of low, medium, and high settings in order to achieve a stable frame rate of 30fps, which in my opinion is unplayable, at least in 1st person shooters. I rather play in lower resolutions but have stable 50-70fps thans 30fps in 4k.

 

[killerabdb]

I'd take the PC 100 times out of 100. Apart from specific game releases that ONLY come out for xbox, which there aren't many, it's the PC every time. It's a much better experience. That PC spec is much more powerful than an Xbox One x or any other current gen console.

That PC would be very capable, give better graphics than the Xbox, plus is much more configurable. You can do much more with a PC. You can always upgrade components down the line, and still have a kick ass system for 4-5 years (depending on what you upgrade, and what you upgrade to!)

Thanks for that, but why is it that the X1X can do 4K at a stable 30fps while something like this PC spec would struggle to do 4K 30fps stable on ultra? If this spec is more powerful than an X1X, then surely it should be able to match the Xbox's 4K performance or even exceed it? I don't get it.

Easy answer: the stable 4K 30fps on the X1X have nothing to do with the Ultra Settings on the PC. It is more like a combination of low, medium, and high settings in order to achieve a stable frame rate of 30fps, which in my opinion is unplayable, at least in 1st person shooters. I rather play in lower resolutions but have stable 50-70fps thans 30fps in 4k.

Thanks to you and the others on here it's pretty clear to me that the X1X is 'butchering' the visuals by cutting down on certain graphics settings. Also, I watched many videos on the X1X's 1080p performance and it can't even keep up with a stable 60fps because of it's shitty CPU. Since 1080p is more CPU bound for gaming compared to 4K, the console's CPU is a HUGE bottleneck, which is why the X1X can't do 1080p 60fps with PC-like ultra settings due to the weak CPU.

 

[alextheblue]

And, older games will work on your newer PC. That's not guaranteed with all games on consoles as far as I know (maybe that's changed in recent years)

Depends on the console. Xbox has actually shown good (and free) support for older titles, beyond what Nintendo or Sony currently offer. Obviously all XB1 titles work on X, but despite the wildly different architecture even a crapton of 360 and original Xbox games run as well - and more are added every month.

It's not always clear-cut with PC games, either. Overall the situation is pretty good but it depends on the OS it was initially targeting, and how forward-thinking the design was. For example you can't just pop a Baldur's Gate CD in (I think there were 5 discs in the original) and start playing. Now if you BUY the remastered edition on Steam or wherever, sure that will run fine. Otherwise you might have to play around with a VM or whatnot and even then depending on the game that might end up offering a subpar experience. DOS games are a lot easier, thanks to DOSBox.

With that being said I agree with those who have said they're not direct competitors, and although I mostly play on PC, I use an Xbox as well for some gaming and media streaming.

 

[zerostatetechnologies]

This looks like a nice PC. The first red flag I see is that you have the minimum power supply for your video card. For PC Gaming since you might be powering all sorts of extras liquid cool cpu, high end audio, dual usb mechanical keyboard, gamepad an atx box design for lots of fans. Then comes the question of what type of Hard Drive(s) you are using: IDE, SSD, M.2. So power, heat, cooling all depend upon what else is inside. I'm pretty sure the Xbox One X has had to fine tune every aspect of their console since its NOT like a PC where you can pop it upon and make a quick change.

Just to be clear, I have a console and its for quests to keep them busy while I play my PC games. I'm a 1000% PC Gamer.

I'd say your setup fails on Power Supply being too small (nice brand though for other stuff). I would feel so trapped by a console though, because until a console and do MORE than a PC, what's the point. Also I noticed that your PC was "more" than VR ready, can Xbox One X do VR?

 

[mjbn1977]

I'd take the PC 100 times out of 100. Apart from specific game releases that ONLY come out for xbox, which there aren't many, it's the PC every time. It's a much better experience. That PC spec is much more powerful than an Xbox One x or any other current gen console.

That PC would be very capable, give better graphics than the Xbox, plus is much more configurable. You can do much more with a PC. You can always upgrade components down the line, and still have a kick ass system for 4-5 years (depending on what you upgrade, and what you upgrade to!)

Thanks for that, but why is it that the X1X can do 4K at a stable 30fps while something like this PC spec would struggle to do 4K 30fps stable on ultra? If this spec is more powerful than an X1X, then surely it should be able to match the Xbox's 4K performance or even exceed it? I don't get it.

Easy answer: the stable 4K 30fps on the X1X have nothing to do with the Ultra Settings on the PC. It is more like a combination of low, medium, and high settings in order to achieve a stable frame rate of 30fps, which in my opinion is unplayable, at least in 1st person shooters. I rather play in lower resolutions but have stable 50-70fps thans 30fps in 4k.

Thanks to you and the others on here it's pretty clear to me that the X1X is 'butchering' the visuals by cutting down on certain graphics settings. Also, I watched many videos on the X1X's 1080p performance and it can't even keep up with a stable 60fps because of it's shitty CPU. Since 1080p is more CPU bound for gaming compared to 4K, the console's CPU is a HUGE bottleneck, which is why the X1X can't do 1080p 60fps with PC-like ultra settings due to the weak CPU.

sorry for using the extreme word "butchering". I exaggerating here a little. I also play on consoles and have fun on them. It is amazing how far they came and what you get for the money. I am just sad that this 4K gaming on consoles is so pushed so much by the console manufacturers marketing, even so the technology is not there yet for mass market. Do do serious 4k gaming on PCs you need to have at least a GTX1080Ti to come close to 60fps on high settings in 4K. The only videocard that can bring you really over 60fps on ultra settings is the RTX 2080Ti. And that baby costs almost $1300 dollars just for the graphics card. I think they misleading the customer a little bit when it comes to 4k.

As I mentioned somewhere above. The system is nice and should be a very good gaming computer for 1080p and 1440p. Just don't expect ultra settings on 4k. But it should run 4k better than the xbox one x

 

[killerabdb]

This looks like a nice PC. The first red flag I see is that you have the minimum power supply for your video card. For PC Gaming since you might be powering all sorts of extras liquid cool cpu, high end audio, dual usb mechanical keyboard, gamepad an atx box design for lots of fans. Then comes the question of what type of Hard Drive(s) you are using: IDE, SSD, M.2. So power, heat, cooling all depend upon what else is inside. I'm pretty sure the Xbox One X has had to fine tune every aspect of their console since its NOT like a PC where you can pop it upon and make a quick change.

Just to be clear, I have a console and its for quests to keep them busy while I play my PC games. I'm a 1000% PC Gamer.

I'd say your setup fails on Power Supply being too small (nice brand though for other stuff). I would feel so trapped by a console though, because until a console and do MORE than a PC, what's the point. Also I noticed that your PC was "more" than VR ready, can Xbox One X do VR?

The power supply is fine as it's a quality model with 550W being its constant output, not just peak output. Also, the 580 only consumes around 200W max. For this spec, even 450W would work perfectly.

 

[subZEROx264]

I'd take the PC 100 times out of 100. Apart from specific game releases that ONLY come out for xbox, which there aren't many, it's the PC every time. It's a much better experience. That PC spec is much more powerful than an Xbox One x or any other current gen console.

That PC would be very capable, give better graphics than the Xbox, plus is much more configurable. You can do much more with a PC. You can always upgrade components down the line, and still have a kick ass system for 4-5 years (depending on what you upgrade, and what you upgrade to!)

Thanks for that, but why is it that the X1X can do 4K at a stable 30fps while something like this PC spec would struggle to do 4K 30fps stable on ultra? If this spec is more powerful than an X1X, then surely it should be able to match the Xbox's 4K performance or even exceed it? I don't get it.

Console(s) can show games in 4K@30fps with ease because the game graphic setting for console has been adjusted and tweaked on fixed setting, as you can't change any graphic setting on console. If you compare up close the graphic comparison apple to apple you will see that console is not a good as PC.

 

[lotuss5]

For me a PC will always be much better than any video game console regardless of its specifications. With a low cost you can build a PC much better than any current console.

 

[sizzling]

Better is very subjective. Currently I’m seeing OneX deals with 4 AAA games for under £400 and these are recent titles. If you factor in £80 for a Windows license and ignore the packaged games you would be left with £320 for a gaming pc hardware which is not going to build a system capable of playing 4K in AAA titles and you still need to buy peripherals.

Visually PC is better, no denying that but fun to cost ratio the XBox is in my view better. If you also consider the fairly decent game library of XBox Game Pass for £7.99 a month games don’t have to be expensive unless you must buy them upon release.

There are games I prefer the keyboard and mouse setup, hence why I still game on both platforms. I just think “better” depends on the individual or both can be a complementary setup.

 

[markknightexeter]

All I can do is facepalm to 90% of these comments. Of course the rx580 is better, be it 1080p or 4k. Bang for the buck it's obviously better having the Xbox one X but that's irrelevant, also, ah heck playing games at 30fps on either platform, 1080p is where both these things excel, the rx 580 can just do it at a higher quality (not that you would necessarily notice much of a difference).

 

[killerabdb]

All I can do is facepalm to 90% of these comments. Of course the rx580 is better, be it 1080p or 4k. Bang for the buck it's obviously better having the Xbox one X but that's irrelevant, also, ah heck playing games at 30fps on either platform, 1080p is where both these things excel, the rx 580 can just do it at a higher quality (not that you would necessarily notice much of a difference).

I feel much better now because I upgraded to a Sapphire Radeon RX Vega 64 Nitro+ which absolutely destroys the Xbox One X's GPU in graphics performance and compute power. 13 Teraflops vs 6 baby.

 

[killerabdb]

This looks like a nice PC. The first red flag I see is that you have the minimum power supply for your video card. For PC Gaming since you might be powering all sorts of extras liquid cool cpu, high end audio, dual usb mechanical keyboard, gamepad an atx box design for lots of fans. Then comes the question of what type of Hard Drive(s) you are using: IDE, SSD, M.2. So power, heat, cooling all depend upon what else is inside. I'm pretty sure the Xbox One X has had to fine tune every aspect of their console since its NOT like a PC where you can pop it upon and make a quick change.

Just to be clear, I have a console and its for quests to keep them busy while I play my PC games. I'm a 1000% PC Gamer.

I'd say your setup fails on Power Supply being too small (nice brand though for other stuff). I would feel so trapped by a console though, because until a console and do MORE than a PC, what's the point. Also I noticed that your PC was "more" than VR ready, can Xbox One X do VR?

I upgraded to the Vega 64 and the new Corsair HX1000 Platinum.

 

[animemangamer]

This looks like a nice PC. The first red flag I see is that you have the minimum power supply for your video card. For PC Gaming since you might be powering all sorts of extras liquid cool cpu, high end audio, dual usb mechanical keyboard, gamepad an atx box design for lots of fans. Then comes the question of what type of Hard Drive(s) you are using: IDE, SSD, M.2. So power, heat, cooling all depend upon what else is inside. I'm pretty sure the Xbox One X has had to fine tune every aspect of their console since its NOT like a PC where you can pop it upon and make a quick change.

Just to be clear, I have a console and its for quests to keep them busy while I play my PC games. I'm a 1000% PC Gamer.

I'd say your setup fails on Power Supply being too small (nice brand though for other stuff). I would feel so trapped by a console though, because until a console and do MORE than a PC, what's the point. Also I noticed that your PC was "more" than VR ready, can Xbox One X do VR?

I upgraded to the Vega 64 and the new Corsair HX1000 Platinum.

I'm glad you made the right choice. Welcome new PC Master Racer.