Question Throttlestop i5-12600KF - High temp need advise

[cashleycool]

CPU Cooler: Silverstone CPU Cooling Fan
Motherboard: MSI MAG b660m mortar ddr4 mATX
Previous GPU: RTX 2060 6GB
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 275R Tempered Glass Mid Tower (446 x 211 x 436.5) mm
Horizontal mounted GPU
No air conditioning here.

Hi, weather here is getting warmer so I've opted to play games with my side case panel opened.
Need advise in getting temp when gaming less than 80 or 85 C as I would used to get less than that before (and with a closed case).

I need some suggestions from experienced undervolting people to see what I can do here.

I'm probably going to do something silly when summer here arrives and disable turbo to help lower my temps (which testing with games like cyberpunk barely hits 75C with minimal fps loss).

I should also add that I recently got the Asus TUF 4090 OC Gaming card - unsure if this has an effect.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Lafong]

Have you experimented with turning off the Efficiency cores?

 

[cashleycool]

Have you experimented with turning off the Efficiency cores?

You mean setting the "Cores" in the "Turbo Groups" section to zero?

 

[Phaaze88]

Where's the rest of the PC specs..?
cpu cooler
motherboard
previous gpu
case
air conditioning(yes/no)
current gpu vertical or horizontally mounted

 

[cashleycool]

Where's the rest of the PC specs..?
cpu cooler
motherboard
previous gpu
case
air conditioning(yes/no)
current gpu vertical or horizontally mounted

CPU Cooler: Silverstone CPU Cooling Fan
Motherboard: MSI MAG b660m mortar ddr4 mATX
Previous GPU: RTX 2060 6GB
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 275R Tempered Glass Mid Tower (446 x 211 x 436.5) mm
Horizontal mounted GPU
No air conditioning here.

 

[Lafong]

You mean setting the "Cores" in the "Turbo Groups" section to zero?

I'm not familiar with your BIOS....

You have 6 performance cores and 4 efficient cores.

Within the last 3 days, I saw a youtube vid in which the guy was fiddling with BIOS settings on a new 13th gen processor.

His BIOS had a setting to simply turn off the efficient cores.

He turned them off....the result was noticeable in his Cinebench results and also reduced power and heat.

I'm NOT sure how much it would effect your gaming performance. Your games may not be able to take advantage of more than the 6 performance cores.

You'd have to experiment to find out. It would reduce heat/power...how much I can't say, but it may be a simple fix that would have little or no negative effect on your gaming.

 

[Phaaze88]

CPU Cooler: Silverstone CPU Cooling Fan

Sorry, but that's not the actual model of the cooler, so I don't know what I'm looking at here.
As for the rest though...

No air conditioning here.

This here is your biggest problem, though the gpu is responsible for the higher cpu temperatures.
Between your previous 2060 to the current 4090 TUF OC, you upped power consumption from the just the gpu somewhere in the vicinity of 300w. The new gpu can also demand more work from the cpu.
The energy used by that card is dispersed into the case, raising case ambient. That energy eventually gets out into your room, raising its ambient.
Then, some of that energy makes its way back to the source - the PC. The cycle repeats until it reaches some kind of equilibrium.

In order to get the cpu temperatures down, the most effective way is going to be to reduce gpu power use.
Air conditioning would've made this a trivial matter.

 

[cashleycool]

Sorry, but that's not the actual model of the cooler, so I don't know what I'm looking at here.
As for the rest though...



This here is your biggest problem, though the gpu is responsible for the higher cpu temperatures.
Between your previous 2060 to the current 4090 TUF OC, you upped power consumption from the just the gpu somewhere in the vicinity of 300w. The new gpu can also demand more work from the cpu.
The energy used by that card is dispersed into the case, raising case ambient. That energy eventually gets out into your room, raising its ambient.
Then, some of that energy makes its way back to the source - the PC. The cycle repeats until it reaches some kind of equilibrium.

In order to get the cpu temperatures down, the most effective way is going to be to reduce gpu power use.
Air conditioning would've made this a trivial matter.

Thanks for the response. Researching about lowering cpu temps always came down to having some air conditioning or getting a cpu water cooler.

All which I am trying to avoid doing by playing around with trottlestop hoping it'd lead somewhere.

I didn't want to think that the power hungry 4090 would be one of the major causes as it was released when the weather here stopped being too cold.


The temps after 10 mins of gaming will reach 90 C, whereas disabling turbo will not see the temps reaching 75C even after 2 hours of gaming.

 

[Phaaze88]

The temps after 10 mins of gaming will reach 90 C, whereas disabling turbo will not see the temps reaching 75C even after 2 hours of gaming.

Disabling Intel Turbo Boost hurts performance quite a bit...

Can you tell what the Silverstone cooler is?

 

[cashleycool]

Disabling Intel Turbo Boost hurts performance quite a bit...

Can you tell what the Silverstone cooler is?

Sorry for the late reply, it is the
SilverStone NT09 LGA 1700 CPU Cooler

It cost me about 25 AUD so yeah.

Also to clarify if it is of any difference, I disabled turbo via throttlestop.
I couldn't tell or notice any fps loss when playing Kingdom Come Deliverance and in Cyberpunk. (tested it just now).

 

[Phaaze88]

Oh yeah, that cooler is basically getting its 'cool intake' from the gpu.
A larger cooler would handle that better, as it'd take longer to soak, but case and room ambient still affect operating temperatures.
Take the current scenario of up to 85C in... let's say a 30C room ambient. Take that same setup but put it in a 20C ambient room instead - it'd be getting up to 75C instead.

If you lower the gpu's power limit(90% is good start while not crippling performance) and improve room airflow*, you should be able to get some good results out of that - including changing the cooler, of course.
[taking a fan(s) to guide the heated air coming out of the PC immediately out of your room, or a window]

Or you could leave it all alone. What I mean is, the cpu doesn't throttle frequency until 99.5C, and if it's just spikes to 85C, that's actually not a big deal - if cores are sitting at that temperature, then yeah, that's a bit more concerning.

 

[cashleycool]

Oh yeah, that cooler is basically getting its 'cool intake' from the gpu.
A larger cooler would handle that better, as it'd take longer to soak, but case and room ambient still affect operating temperatures.

Whoa, that is news to me. I have one stock cooler in my case that is blowing at the cpu along with the silverstone. I could try and replace it with those triple fan (water?) coolers I keep seeing online and probably get a killer cpu cooler to replace the silverstone.

Perhaps something like the "Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE" which I saw ranked number one somewhere.

Or you could leave it all alone. What I mean is, the cpu doesn't throttle frequency until 99.5C, and if it's just spikes to 85C, that's actually not a big deal - if cores are sitting at that temperature, then yeah, that's a bit more concerning.

Sadly the CPU itself will jump up to 90 C in a matter of ten minutes. I don't think there is any other way but try using the fan to guide airflow.

Thanks for the help by the way - I know CPUs are meant to withstand heat for long periods of time but when I started using throttlestop I became far more conscious about temp.

 

[Phaaze88]

Whoa, that is news to me. I have one stock cooler in my case that is blowing at the cpu along with the silverstone. I could try and replace it with those triple fan (water?) coolers I keep seeing online and probably get a killer cpu cooler to replace the silverstone.

Perhaps something like the "Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE" which I saw ranked number one somewhere.

A 360mm liquid cooler only fits at the front, and the front panel of the Carbide 275R is not an ideal location for one. The reason is that the combo of the radiator and mostly solid front panel stacks a lot of air resistance, and that in turn hurts cooler performance.
The top panel is pretty much the best location overall, but the max it supports is 240mm. A good air cooler like that Peerless Assassin would keep up with a 240mm liquid cooler just fine.

Sadly the CPU itself will jump up to 90 C in a matter of ten minutes. I don't think there is any other way but try using the fan to guide airflow.

Thanks for the help by the way - I know CPUs are meant to withstand heat for long periods of time but when I started using throttlestop I became far more conscious about temp.

Aye, the gpu is like a sauna to that cpu cooler.
Not just a fan to guide the heated air out faster, but utilize a lower gpu power limit too. The gpu is the greatest heating element in the PC, so reducing some of its energy use will help keep things under control.

I use monitoring software like once a week. Looking at those numbers and graphs can be poisonous like those fps monitors.

 

[cashleycool]

A 360mm liquid cooler only fits at the front, and the front panel of the Carbide 275R is not an ideal location for one. The reason is that the combo of the radiator and mostly solid front panel stacks a lot of air resistance, and that in turn hurts cooler performance.
The top panel is pretty much the best location overall, but the max it supports is 240mm. A good air cooler like that Peerless Assassin would keep up with a 240mm liquid cooler just fine.

You have been extremely helpful, thanks a bunch for the advise!

I think I'll soon stop paying a super close attention to these on screen display things when I grab an actual good cooler.

 

[Phaaze88]

Aye, good luck!

 

[Richj444]

CPU Cooler: Silverstone CPU Cooling Fan
Motherboard: MSI MAG b660m mortar ddr4 mATX
Previous GPU: RTX 2060 6GB
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 275R Tempered Glass Mid Tower (446 x 211 x 436.5) mm
Horizontal mounted GPU
No air conditioning here.

Hi, weather here is getting warmer so I've opted to play games with my side case panel opened.
Need advise in getting temp when gaming less than 80 or 85 C as I would used to get less than that before (and with a closed case).

I need some suggestions from experienced undervolting people to see what I can do here.

I'm probably going to do something silly when summer here arrives and disable turbo to help lower my temps (which testing with games like cyberpunk barely hits 75C with minimal fps loss).

I should also add that I recently got the Asus TUF 4090 OC Gaming card - unsure if this has an effect.

Thanks in advance.

Have you tried just putting a small house fan blowing into your case? You might be surprised how much it helps. Or you might not, but it's simple and easy to find out.