over a box. I bought a systemax PC from them and when it arrived, I threw the box out and everything because I thought the PC would be ok. Wrong, SLI doesn't really work, games won't load. I try to return it and they say they won't take my PC back without the box that came with it because the manufacturer won't take it back. So thinking now, I just threw out a 4000 dollar box. Expensive as hell.