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Hmmm, I love what AMD is doing in the tech market. The entire hUMA, HSA thing really tickles the IT nerd in me.
For people who are wondering why they're going full APU on us, it's pretty simple.
The CPU has certain core strengths, and the GPU has certain strengths. What AMD is probably aiming for is to remove the unnecessary CPU parts, that could easily be handled by the GPU in a full HSA setting.
In the future, APUs will turn out to be so powerful, that AMD won't release CPUs without a GPU part. An APU with the GPU part disabled reaches much lower GFlops/Float operations than an APU with the GPU enabled.
That said, I hope they can give us some more insight into future changes that Kaveri and Carrizo will bring. Love to see some APUs that can go from a low energy consumption at low utilization to a decent gaming machine.
For people who are wondering why they're going full APU on us, it's pretty simple.
The CPU has certain core strengths, and the GPU has certain strengths. What AMD is probably aiming for is to remove the unnecessary CPU parts, that could easily be handled by the GPU in a full HSA setting.
In the future, APUs will turn out to be so powerful, that AMD won't release CPUs without a GPU part. An APU with the GPU part disabled reaches much lower GFlops/Float operations than an APU with the GPU enabled.
That said, I hope they can give us some more insight into future changes that Kaveri and Carrizo will bring. Love to see some APUs that can go from a low energy consumption at low utilization to a decent gaming machine.
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Why AMD doesn't make desktop cpu's that might aswell work like an Opteron on a multi socket motherboard. Wouldn't that make it cheaper for everyone and also to produce? So what if regular users have more cache or unused cores? It really is a rhetorical question unless the answer is; Opterons are really harder and more difficult to make.
Why AMD doesn't make desktop cpu's that might aswell work like an Opteron on a multi socket motherboard. Wouldn't that make it cheaper for everyone and also to produce? So what if regular users have more cache or unused cores? It really is a rhetorical question unless the answer is; Opterons are really harder and more difficult to make.
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I want to know when Kaveri laptops will be available to buy. Need my APU laptop... been holding off.
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somebodyspecial :
I only want to know if they plan on matching gsync (if so how long before you expect to introduce it) or licensing, and if lic are you already in talks? 
Mantle, TrueAudio, Physx etc mean nothing to me as both sides must pay to get a dev to use them, so only going to be in a few titles tops for headlines each year by either side. Gsync will work great dev or not as they don't have to do anything or pay anything for it to work (hardware is needed, not game devs work or expense). The tearing/stutter side I mean, how long it takes devs to use up your extra gpu power that it gives them (freedom to use it anyway, no 60fps crap cap etc) is debatable. But Gsync has to be matched or licensed or I'm going NV. Drivers can't fix it all, they need hardware which is why NV created a $100 card to get it done.
Now that I know I can end stutter/tearing for good (not on a game by game basis, not by screwing with settings, not by turning things down, not by developer work or expense) etc I won't go any other way. Adapt, license it or die AMD. Monitor companies should note the same. Nobody in my family will buy a non gsync monitor in the future (3 households) and as an IT person I'll tell everyone that asks the same. If AMD gets this before I buy a maxwell the discussion inside my brain opens up again. But if not, it's over, no thought will go past do you have stutter/tear free or not? Any long term gamer has battled this for years (25+ for me...ROFL). You're dead to me if you can't check that box now...LOL.
That's not hating on AMD or anything, just common sense gamer choices. If asked AMD or NV, I'll respond with "would you like to end stutter/tearing NOW and possibly get better games eventually or not?". If they answer yes end stutter/tearing I say NV, hands down until they catch up or license it. Both price pretty much what the perf of the cards are (or extra features in the case of titan DP) so it's pretty much a stutter/tearing factor for me now.
Mantle, TrueAudio, Physx etc mean nothing to me as both sides must pay to get a dev to use them, so only going to be in a few titles tops for headlines each year by either side. Gsync will work great dev or not as they don't have to do anything or pay anything for it to work (hardware is needed, not game devs work or expense). The tearing/stutter side I mean, how long it takes devs to use up your extra gpu power that it gives them (freedom to use it anyway, no 60fps crap cap etc) is debatable. But Gsync has to be matched or licensed or I'm going NV. Drivers can't fix it all, they need hardware which is why NV created a $100 card to get it done. Now that I know I can end stutter/tearing for good (not on a game by game basis, not by screwing with settings, not by turning things down, not by developer work or expense) etc I won't go any other way. Adapt, license it or die AMD. Monitor companies should note the same. Nobody in my family will buy a non gsync monitor in the future (3 households) and as an IT person I'll tell everyone that asks the same. If AMD gets this before I buy a maxwell the discussion inside my brain opens up again. But if not, it's over, no thought will go past do you have stutter/tear free or not? Any long term gamer has battled this for years (25+ for me...ROFL). You're dead to me if you can't check that box now...LOL.
That's not hating on AMD or anything, just common sense gamer choices. If asked AMD or NV, I'll respond with "would you like to end stutter/tearing NOW and possibly get better games eventually or not?". If they answer yes end stutter/tearing I say NV, hands down until they catch up or license it. Both price pretty much what the perf of the cards are (or extra features in the case of titan DP) so it's pretty much a stutter/tearing factor for me now.
First off Nvidia doesn't need to license Mantle, it is open source. The bigger question is whether or not it is worth the premium for monitor manufacturers to adopt G-Sync, it is: proprietary to Nvdida (trust me they are probably not interested in licensing it for anything short of the keys to the gates of heaven) and also it adds to the cost of the monitor to the end user and unlike what some of the Tom's readers and forum members think the world is not filled with high end enthusiasts who will go out of their way to get supported hardware, the OEMs will put a graphics card in there and the consumer will take it and not care. I am not saying that G-Sync is useless but what I am saying is that Asus is the only manufacturer that has plans for integrating it into their monitors that I have heard of so far. Also with DICE and AMD's partnership with Mantle it has huge marketing bump because they have a target market and by having a AAA game the size of BF4 launching with Mantle support people learn about Mantle and again think that if BF4 has it there just be something good otherwise such a big publisher and game wouldn't use it.
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i sware i did google but i am still confused:
EDT: Eastern Daylight Time Zone
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EDT: Eastern Daylight Time Zone
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In regards to existing and future consumer/workstation hardware (CPU, GPU, chipsets), how does AMD plan to support virtualization technologies like Hyper-V? At the moment, Hyper-V performance on Win 8.x (or Windows 2012) is far from stellar (DXVA doesn't work either) and it all seems to point to the video drivers. Does AMD have any plans to improve the software support for such scenarios?
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rishiswaz :
somebodyspecial :
I only want to know if they plan on matching gsync (if so how long before you expect to introduce it) or licensing, and if lic are you already in talks? Mantle, TrueAudio, Physx etc mean nothing to me as both sides must pay to get a dev to use them, so only going to be in a few titles tops for headlines each year by either side. Gsync will work great dev or not as they don't have to do anything or pay anything for it to work (hardware is needed, not game devs work or expense). The tearing/stutter side I mean, how long it takes devs to use up your extra gpu power that it gives them (freedom to use it anyway, no 60fps crap cap etc) is debatable. But Gsync has to be matched or licensed or I'm going NV. Drivers can't fix it all, they need hardware which is why NV created a $100 card to get it done.
Now that I know I can end stutter/tearing for good (not on a game by game basis, not by screwing with settings, not by turning things down, not by developer work or expense) etc I won't go any other way. Adapt, license it or die AMD. Monitor companies should note the same. Nobody in my family will buy a non gsync monitor in the future (3 households) and as an IT person I'll tell everyone that asks the same. If AMD gets this before I buy a maxwell the discussion inside my brain opens up again. But if not, it's over, no thought will go past do you have stutter/tear free or not? Any long term gamer has battled this for years (25+ for me...ROFL). You're dead to me if you can't check that box now...LOL.
That's not hating on AMD or anything, just common sense gamer choices. If asked AMD or NV, I'll respond with "would you like to end stutter/tearing NOW and possibly get better games eventually or not?". If they answer yes end stutter/tearing I say NV, hands down until they catch up or license it. Both price pretty much what the perf of the cards are (or extra features in the case of titan DP) so it's pretty much a stutter/tearing factor for me now.
Mantle, TrueAudio, Physx etc mean nothing to me as both sides must pay to get a dev to use them, so only going to be in a few titles tops for headlines each year by either side. Gsync will work great dev or not as they don't have to do anything or pay anything for it to work (hardware is needed, not game devs work or expense). The tearing/stutter side I mean, how long it takes devs to use up your extra gpu power that it gives them (freedom to use it anyway, no 60fps crap cap etc) is debatable. But Gsync has to be matched or licensed or I'm going NV. Drivers can't fix it all, they need hardware which is why NV created a $100 card to get it done. Now that I know I can end stutter/tearing for good (not on a game by game basis, not by screwing with settings, not by turning things down, not by developer work or expense) etc I won't go any other way. Adapt, license it or die AMD. Monitor companies should note the same. Nobody in my family will buy a non gsync monitor in the future (3 households) and as an IT person I'll tell everyone that asks the same. If AMD gets this before I buy a maxwell the discussion inside my brain opens up again. But if not, it's over, no thought will go past do you have stutter/tear free or not? Any long term gamer has battled this for years (25+ for me...ROFL). You're dead to me if you can't check that box now...LOL.
That's not hating on AMD or anything, just common sense gamer choices. If asked AMD or NV, I'll respond with "would you like to end stutter/tearing NOW and possibly get better games eventually or not?". If they answer yes end stutter/tearing I say NV, hands down until they catch up or license it. Both price pretty much what the perf of the cards are (or extra features in the case of titan DP) so it's pretty much a stutter/tearing factor for me now.
First off Nvidia doesn't need to license Mantle, it is open source. The bigger question is whether or not it is worth the premium for monitor manufacturers to adopt G-Sync, it is: proprietary to Nvdida (trust me they are probably not interested in licensing it for anything short of the keys to the gates of heaven) and also it adds to the cost of the monitor to the end user and unlike what some of the Tom's readers and forum members think the world is not filled with high end enthusiasts who will go out of their way to get supported hardware, the OEMs will put a graphics card in there and the consumer will take it and not care. I am not saying that G-Sync is useless but what I am saying is that Asus is the only manufacturer that has plans for integrating it into their monitors that I have heard of so far. Also with DICE and AMD's partnership with Mantle it has huge marketing bump because they have a target market and by having a AAA game the size of BF4 launching with Mantle support people learn about Mantle and again think that if BF4 has it there just be something good otherwise such a big publisher and game wouldn't use it.
No, Mantle is not open source.
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When are you'll expecting to release new CPUs and chipsets to support the latest architectures like PCI Express 3.0 that your new line of GPUs now run on? Are you'll waiting for a new architecture or 2 to release such as DDR4, USB 4 or SATA 4? We've been riding on the AM3(+) socket for quite some time now.
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