Trident X vs Mushkin Redline 2133 4X8G for Maximus VI formula 4770k mobo CPU - Which has better Compatibility and OC potential

bjkill · Sep 4, 2013

Okay after taking advice from my last post. Now boiled down to two Choices. They are probably identical in performance so I am more worried about the compatibility issues and light OC potential. Never own Ram from either of the companies. So your help or vote is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Mushkin Enhanced Redline 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model 994121R

• Timing 9-11-11-28
• Cas Latency 9
• Voltage 1.65V

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226423

OR

G.SKILL Trident X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model F3-2133C9Q-32GTX

• Timing 9-11-11-31
• Cas Latency 9
• Voltage 1.6V

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231618

rolldogg · Oct 19, 2014

JackNaylorPE :

I remembers those days. Compuserve was the bomb, much better that Prodigy. Each bulletin board would have its own dial up service and people would pass around phone numbers to other bulletin boards so you could try them out, but Compuserve was probably one of the first that you could login to and access multiple things instead of having a list of phone numbers to connect to. I think back then the 286 was becoming popular, and if you had the money, you could get an IDE drive instead of a gigantic MFM drive, 20MB was awesome. When people could buy 4x256k chips and get 1MB of RAM was unbelievable.

Also, when the Internet came out, we were still using dial up, but you didn't need to put your phone receiver on top of your modem, you could plug your phone line directly into your 14.4k modem and then plug your phone into the other jack, but if someone tried calling you when you were online, maybe searching through Webcrawler to find something of interest, you would get disconnected from the internet unless you would put in *67 (I think that was it) before you dialed in. This would temporarily disable your call waiting so you could spend your hours typing in different web addresses trying to figure out this World Wide Web.

I actually started up on of the first porn sites around this time, but I had to shut it down because no one was paying for memberships, and the bandwidth I was using through the company I found who was hosting the site for me was charging me monthly, which included a certain amount of data, but anything over that I would be charged extra. This is when I figured out that memberships isisn't where the money is made, it's advertising. At this time, there was a site called Persian Kitty, and all they had was a list of hyperlinks going to different websites. Their traffic was off the charts and their data use was minimal, since all they did was host a site which brought you to other sites.

I worked in the computer industry back then, early 90s, and left the industry to go into the field I'm currently in. This was a job I had while I was in college to make ends meet. Just to give you an idea, when I started working in the computer industry, I was making $850mo. When I left the industry in 1997, I had just graduated from college, which took me longer than most, but I started working on commission and got the local computer company I worked for onto the state contract, so I was one of few people in the state, who was local, had local service, and I was bringing in $20,000 a month in commissions. I was 25 years old. Those were incredible times. When I left the industry, people weren't buying monochrome monitors anymore, and the Pentium processor was just released, but you had to buy a co-processor if you wanted to Jack up your rig and it would handle all the mathematical computations itself which anyone running CAD had to have.

Just thinking about this makes me laugh.

rolldogg · Oct 19, 2014

Oh, and on another note, one of the largest distributors of computer equipment at this time was Ingram Micro, which is now Newegg. Tech Data was another, but I'm not sure what happened to them.

4Ryan6 · Oct 19, 2014

JackNaylorPE :

I first got interested in Toms in 1999, reading their articles and such as I found the information I was getting from Toms gave me an edge over my local computer repair shop employees that acted like they knew everything, it helps going into a shop like that knowing what the hell you're talking about, it seriously cuts their sales pitch.

Actually I honestly don't remember any memory specific brands back in those days as my first computer overclocking experience involved some no name SIMM ram, and we were happy as hell to get an extra 25mhz off the CPU.

Jack, You've definitely got a lot of history stuffed in your brain, did you remember all that off the top of your head or look it up?

I would like to say we all have our own opinions guys and though we may differ from each other at times, and each of us have favored brands we're more comfortable with, we are important to Toms because of our longevity and devotion to what we do and how we do it.

I have utmost respect for you JackNaylorPE and even though I gave Tradesman1 a rough time when he first got here, I have utmost respect for him as well, because he has really gone above and beyond many at this forum!

We try to help people here, that's what we do!

IMO that's all that matters, as Toms is now so full of the instant experts, that we all find ourselves inputting in threads that are full of erroneous information, and I have seen both of you really help others with 100% accurate information.

And that comes from a solid knowledge foundation!

The best to you both! Ry

Tradesman1 · Oct 19, 2014

Thanx Ry

4Ryan6 · Oct 19, 2014

Tradesman1 :

You deserve recognition for all you do here!

Thank You Sir!

JackNaylorPE · Oct 19, 2014

4Ryan6 :

Not to start a "mutual admiration society" but I too have benefited much from your posts, not have you only provided links to sound tech sources but where information was lacking you rigorously tested and documented your own experiences.

As for "opinions", what we "like" is oft determined based upon our early experiences. Like rooting for a favored sports team, we usually form this attachment with our fist exposure to a particular team and continue that attachment long into our golden years even tho the the players have changed, the owners have changed and even philosophy has changed.

I had an employee who had NY Giants season tickets but he didn't like the cold weather ....once November arrived the tickets were mine... I usually brought guests from the same pool of friends and I remember one instance in the 80s where at the introductions, one of my friends stood up and loudly "booed" one particular player, ending with some "colorful insults". I was kinda surprised, and I said to him.... "last year he was your favorite player, now you hate him ? he replied "Of course, he's no longer a NY Giant . My answer was "So we're here rooting for the different color jerseys rather than the athletes on the field ?" To my mind, the quality of the product is the criteria by which we should judge things, not "what jersey it's wearing".

Just like in sports, adjustments are often made between seasons (or between generations) to help each "team" better compete ... sometimes these moves are cost cutting measures, sometimes they are personnel (or parts) upgrades which change the overall quality of the team (product).

In a forum such like this debate and discussion are the means to better educate ourselves. I like to say, "no one is ever wrong, one of is is just misinformed." The presentation of accurate, supportable information should always be welcomed.

However, a statement that the enthusiast community didn't exist until well into this millennium is an affront to all the people involved including Tom Pabst, WUGNET, CNET, CSi, Alice / Bill and all the people and magazines who led the charge and participated along the way, especially when posted right here on THG, one of the very sites that led the 2nd wave.

Tradesman1 · Oct 19, 2014

Jack you said

"However, a statement that the enthusiast community didn't exist until well into this millennium is an affront to all the people involved including Tom Pabst, WUGNET, CNET, CSi, Alice / Bill and all the people and magazines who led the charge and participated along the way, especially when posted right here on THG, one of the very sites that led the 2nd wave."

Which I agree with completely - the question is: why did YOU change my statement from there were 'too many' to " 'Not' to many" enthusiasts........My original statement sits in my post as made, this is what I pointed out how you love to twist words, take things out of context and change subjects just so you can simply argue. You've done this with a number of members

JackNaylorPE · Oct 19, 2014

Despite being relatively new to this, I am surprised that you are apparently unaware of conventional use of [ ] when quoting a source. Please educate yourself...look it up. The use of the brackets [ ] is the acceptable means of making and edit to a quote for editorial reasons or when the a reader would not be able to make sense of it otherwise

http://homeworktips.about.com/od/writingrules/qt/brackets.htm

You may also use brackets to make an editorial statement or clarification within a quote.

By using the brackets I was quite clearly identifying this as an edit....... 1) Not only is the usage clearly correct and acceptable but 2) contrary to your implication, I very obviously identified it as such using conventionally accepted means..... were you truly unaware of this or is this just another clumsy distortion ?

and too many 'enthusiasts' back then...They didn't 'come later', and all this was after the web was around awhile, not before.

That quote is a direct contradiction of itself and directly contradicts your position.

Let's break it down into its parts

1. And too many enthusiasts back then
2. They didn't come to later.
3. and all this was after the web was around awhile, not before.

So by your logic under 1 and 2, there were "too many enthusiasts" there but "they didn't come till later".... so please explain how to many of them could be there ..... when they didn't come to later.

As for 3, that's already been thoroughly debunked.

You stated

"Mushkin was so revered by enthusiasts that when NASA used it in their space program, this was "buzz" in the old Compuserve forums which existed before the "world wide web"

Simply put the web was there and available before Mushkin existed.

Another exercise in false logic. Let's do another grammar lesson ...uncombine the 2 thoughts in the sentence

Mushkin was so revered by enthusiasts that when NASA used it in their space program, this was "buzz" in the old Compuserve forums

Absolutely true and correct statement. I was there.

Compuserve forums existed before the "world wide web"

Absolutely true and correct statement, I was there

The "which" follows "Compuserve Forums" accurately and only conveying that the CSi forums existed before the web. The which does not follow the word "buzz" so there was no implication that the buzz occurred at that time. We'll address that topic in a bit. The CSi forums were still dominant at the time and that is where any "buzz" would have existed. ....web forums were very rare and cumbersome to use.

We have to also separate "world web web" into its two contexts. And yes, the world wide web existed as an infrastructure and was used by universities and other research organizations ....in the technical sense CSi was on the "world wide web" .....

Now let's get to the 2nd context, the one which applies here when someone says "its on the web". Here we are not talking about the infrastructure or what Senator Ted Stevens called "a series of tubes" we are talking about content..... and I have to inform you that no .... before 1994 (when Mushkin arrive as a memory maker) there was very little "content" for the public to access and certainly no web forums on which a "buzz" would exist. If you truly do believe that they did, do some research. And while doing so, please tell us what these computer enthusiast were using to access these web forums ? Sorry but Netscape didn't debut until 1994 .... the same year as Mushkin.

You made it sound as if G.Skill originated much later, which you corrected to show them becoming a memory manufacture in 2003, after it was pointed out they predated Mushkin.

No, let's not confuse your inferences with what was written....it's still there...in the context of this discussion that being memory, Gskill's existence as a corporation is irrelevant. This is a discussion about memory and comparing brands or memory. Gskills existence as a corporation not making memory is of no more relevance than Sony selling transistor radios in 1955 would be to a discussion about laptops.

When carrying on a discussion on a specific topic, it is not generally the practice of the participants to have to restate the context in every sentence. Quoting a sentence and ignoring the context is intellectually dishonest. So let me restate .... adding and contextural edits using the conventional [ ]:

In the late 90s, it [Mushkin memory] was the enthusiasts one and only choice [for memory] and appeared in almost every "build list" [as the memory choice] on the CSi forums. When Gskill arrived on the [memory] scene, they were considered by enthusiasts as a Walmart brand, much like AsRock in the early days [for MoBos] .... they competed on price, not quality..... Price was the "hook" for both of them [Gskil with memory and Asrock with MoBos] and as time went on (Gskill more quickly than Asrock) they started competing at the higher end. Just as Asrock increased their quality and their warranty from 1 and 2 years [on their MoBos] to the industry standard 3 years, Gskill started competing in the high end market [for memory] and now both brands compete with the best of them.

Since you apparently know so much of Gskill's history, please tell us how much of a "player" GSkil was in the PC components market from 1989 to 2003. Exactly what PC components they were providing to consumers in those early years between filing corporate papers and 1989 and producing their 1st stick of memory 14 years later in 2003 ?

Tradesman1 · Oct 19, 2014

"Mushkin was so revered by enthusiasts that when NASA used it in their space program, this was "buzz" in the old Compuserve forums which existed before the "world wide web"

Since Mushkin didn't exist till after the web was open to the world - how is this?

Yes, YOU decided to make an editorial statement and twisted the statement from exactly what it was- a statement.

" 'Uncombine' the 2 thoughts in the sentence" - it's your sentence - You said it as a single sentence and uncombine isn't a word.

Once again you simply ignore what is said, you don't ask for any clarification, you Assume, which in itself says tons.

Your aren't worth it Jack, you do this book writing all to often, and by the way, the AMD financial reports you were telling people you read a couple weeks ago have been released, as you were told they would be, on the 16th.

http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-calendarpast

Will there be another chapter to that book also?

JackNaylorPE · Oct 21, 2014

Is english and issue ?

Yet again, asked and answered. I don't understand the logic of repeating questions that have already been answered and thoroughly debunked .... why not just answer the questions put to you that have gone unanswered such as what product you claim GSkill was selling to PC builders in 1989 or just provide a single modicum of factual support for your claims ?

-Yes the infrastructure for the www existed.

-No, were no www address that one would go to and create a "buzz" because there was no web browser to even access them let alone create a web forum. If you are arguing otherwise ... name one ! The reason there were "hundreds of thousands" on CSi, cause there was no alternative on the web at that time.

How is the existence of the world wide web infrastructure used primarily by universities and research corporations an issue in relation to my statement ? The old Compuserve forums did exist and were accessible by computer enthusiasts using CSi software in 1994.... when the "wold wide web" is used in the common vernacular, the connotation is the information contained thereon, not Senator Sevens "tubes".

Not only was their no established and recognized presence on the web for "hundreds of thousands" of computer enthusiasts to discuss or create a the buzz which is the focus of your argument, the software to access the world wide web (Netscape) didn't even arrive till that very same year. So again in the context of the discussion, how is your statement in any way relevant to where the buzz was ? If you disagree, please tell us where this presence was on the world wide web and what software people were using to access it.. Repeating that the web infrastructure existed is irrelevant, out of context and non-responsive.

On the editing, yes, again asked and answered, I chose to make an edit, and identified it as such contrary to yet another false implication on your part, because the sentence does not make grammatical or logical sense....still waiting for you explain the "there but not there yet" contradiction.

Your claims have no factual basis, and the only support provided has been bluster and misdirection.

Let's go thru Gskils current product line one by one:

http://www.gskill.com/en/products

GSkill products:

Desktop Memory - 1st sold in 2003 ..... 14 years later
SSD - Is this what you think they were selling in 1989 ?
Flash Memory - Is this what you think they were selling in 1989 ?

If you can't name one product that GSkill sold to PC Builders, your argument is wholly without foundation .... What have you established to support your claim that Gskill was a player in the PC Component market in 1989 ? Zilch, nothing, nada. The issue is not when the filed their corporate papers....the issue is when they became on option for PC Builders to purchase components from. That happened in 2003.

And here we have another blatant and easily refuted false statement. My comments related to the 3rd quarter AMD financial results (which I read on the day after release BTW) were that they were irrelevant. I linked to their stock market prices ....I stated that they dumped their CEOs .... I stressed the difference between stock market value and the "irrelevant" 3rd quarter financials in the context of the discussion. The stock market price plunged from 4.28 on August 20th to 2.61 on October 15th (down 39%). So here we have yet again, another wholly unsupported fabrication that anyone can just read and see is false..but you already knew that or we'd see a quote

You did the same thing here when I wrote:

The original question was whether one has "has has good or bad experiences with ASUS GPU's? "

You responded:

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2323395/asus-reliable-company-gpu.html#14358637

Question "Is ASUS a reliable company for GPU's? " Nothing at all about good or bad experiences - (typical)

And here's the original post ....clearly incontrovertible proof that your statement is a blatant falsehood.

I plan on getting the ASUS STRIX GTX970 and was just wondering if everyone has has good or bad experiences with ASUS GPU's?

There it is in black and white, no excuses, no misdirection, no name calling will change that. You made a statement that is directly contradicted by what's right here on the board for all to see and you are doing it again..... in your own words "typical". As will be the "typical" misdirection response which doesn't answer the questions asked or supports the original claim.

Tradesman1 · Oct 21, 2014

" the software to access the world wide web (Netscape) didn't even arrive till that very same year "

Thought you were there, Mosaic, the predecessor to Netscape was out in Jan 1993, and rather popular, then too there were already GUIs in use before, primarily Unix based.

As stated above, responses to you are worthless, as too many have found. You are right all the time, plain and simple... Even when proof positive is laid out, you just change your stance and start anew on a different tangent. Sad.

Pinhedd · Oct 21, 2014

man you two really need to get a room

JackNaylorPE · Oct 21, 2014

Tradesman1 :

More misdirection, more non responsive answers. A response must be by definition "responsive"....I have stuck with the same questions, you refuse to answer.

-What products did GSkill sell between 1989 and 2003 ?... you can't answer making the whole premise irrelevant.
-Where were these vast amount of people, allegedly using Mosaic, going to discuss PC Components ...? Show me a web forum that people were accessing on the web in 1994 .... you can't making the whole premise irrelevant.

The proof positive is there in black and white .... you said

"Nothing at all about good or bad experiences" when it was right there in the OP....you can't deny it."

You quote my reference to buzz on compuserve forums not existing anywhere else where with a completely irrelevant answer about infrastructure....twisting the obvious context into something else, because the in contextural fact can not be contradicted. . Yes, I was there I didn't pick up PC Hardware as 2nd career / hobby just 2 years ago. I used and quickly abandoned Mosaic, I used Netscape to a very minor extent, decent improvement but sorry, simple fact is there was no place to go to discuss hardware with your peers which is why....as I stated.... the action was on CSi ........ There was no web based PC Harware community till sites like THG came along. And there was some time after that till interactive web based forums became populated enough to sustain timely discussions.

As with the laughable Unix comment ....yea we all know how popular Unix is on the PC Platform....and again undermining your own argument .... who used Unix ? Primarily Tech Corporations and Universities not PC builders.

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Tradesman1 · Oct 21, 2014

Jack just read the responses SImply said GSkill predated Mushkin, never a word about products was there....You had made it sound like GSkill just appeared from no where, long after Mushkin

YOU also said thee was nothing to access the web, Mosaic was there as were other browsers as I mentioned (and said explicitly "primarily Unix based'...nothing was said about going to discuss PC components, it's simply a fact that debunked your assertion their was no software to access the web. This is you again going off on a tangent that doesn't apply.

Never said a word about UNIX on the PC platform, this is you again twisting things.

Rather tiresome, and sad.

4Ryan6 · Oct 22, 2014

Pinhedd :

ROFL :lol: That is exactly what I was thinking!

Come on guys just let it go.

Pinhedd, You should consider doing both of them a favor and just close the thread, you know like throwing water on two dogs hung up in the yard. :lol:

That was bad I'm sorry!

JackNaylorPE · Oct 27, 2014

More blatant lies, out of context and misdirection. Why not stay on point instead of trying to pick apart imagined flaws in the data presented.

Your statement was both false and self contradicting statement that

and [not] too many 'enthusiasts' back then...They didn't 'come later', and all this was after the web was around awhile, not before.

I pointed out that there certainly was an enthusiast community alive and well on CSi and that the software for directly accessing the web (Netscape) .... the one actually used by a noticeable community of people..... you come back with your big "a-hah moment" pointing out the the infrastructure and Mosaic existed before Netscape w/o having the knowledge to recognize the common history of the two or the fact that it was on Unix and the Windows port didn't come till much later....

Version 1.0 (NCSA Mosaic for X 2.0) was released on November 11, 1993.[16] A port of Mosaic to the Commodore Amiga was available by October 1993. Ports to Windows and Macintosh had already been released in September.......]The company's first product was the web browser, called Mosaic Netscape 0.9, released on October 13, 1994.

The Unix version of Mosaic was already making it famous before the Windows and Mac versions came out.

By November 1992, there were 26 websites in the world

The issue was whether or not there were places to go "on the web" and discuss PC building. In support of that, I noted that Nestape didn't arrive till 1994 ....Mosaic for Windows didn't arrive till 3 months before.

So the twisting but it's all yours.... ya can't point to Mosaic "existing" as an alternative to CSi in a time period when the only version available was Unix. So the windows software port comes out ..... (not yet a real releases as evidenced by the version being < 1) and yet your claim is that there was a substantial community established in 3 months ? Where ?

and [not] too many 'enthusiasts' back then...They didn't 'come later', and all this was after the web was around awhile, not before.

First you claim that there was no community there, and now you claim that there was this vast enthusiast community .... which is it. ? Gotta work harder on keeping your statements from contradicting one another.

BTW, just heard back from Gskil.... I was wrong about them not entering the market till 2004..... according to their e-mail, their 1st product didn't arrive till 2005.

Remember this false statement ?

Question "Is ASUS a reliable company for GPU's? " Nothing at all about good or bad experiences - (typical)

Except for the fact that OP said:

Quote:
I plan on getting the ASUS STRIX GTX970 and was just wondering if everyone has has good or bad experiences with ASUS GPU's?

Remember this

Never said a word about UNIX on the PC platform, this is you again twisting things.

Context sir, context .... context is PC building and which memory to use for it....my question was what relevance is GUIs on the Unix platform in any way relevant to what one could do in Windows ??

Thought you were there, Mosaic, the predecessor to Netscape was out in Jan 1993, and rather popular, then too there were already GUIs in use before, primarily Unix based.

Are you suggesting that PC enthusiasts could have used their Unix machines to access the web and discuss PC building ?

Remember this ?

by the way, the AMD financial reports you were telling people you read a couple weeks ago

Another lie .... I never said that I read them. I pointed out stock prices I called the 3rd quarter results irrelevant.

JackNaylorPE · Oct 27, 2014

4Ryan6 :

Ryan.... normally I would but enough is enough,

You and I have had many experiences over the years where we have disagreed, you have done so in a honest and respectful manner w/o insults and name calling. I have benefited greatly from the exchanges.

But when a person resorts to name calling and insults and repeatedly contradicts themselves, takes posts out of context, denies every printed source available as being valid, and even follows you around the web checking your profiles, eventually the bullying gets to the point where you just gotta stand up.

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