Trump Repeals FCC Privacy Rules, But ISPs' 'Fairness' Argument Weak

[Wisecracker]

😍 - It's A Trifecta of Love - 😍
No one buys Politicians better than Big Cable. They put the 'special' in Special Interest. Mix in a laissez-faire environment and, "Laissez les bons temps rouler" Baby!

BigCableCo does not discriminate, either. They love all Pols, on the Federal, state and local levels, too. No hand too small to smooch and grease; they love spreadin' the love ...

Having ISPs take our data does not make us loose it any more. ISPs don't see all my data. For instance, when I use the wifi on my house, I use one ISP. However, when I use my mobile data on my phone, I use a different ISP. If I use my college's wifi, I use another ISP. If I use my employer's wifi, I use still another ISP. No one ISP has all my data.

I suspect you are considered a "Miner's Bonanza"
Big Data thanks you.

ISPs should be anonymous gateways. That is all. Period.

 

[ajpaolello]

😍 - It's A Trifecta of Love - 😍
No one buys Politicians better than Big Cable. They put the 'special' in Special Interest. Mix in a laissez-faire environment and, "Laissez les bons temps rouler" Baby!

BigCableCo does not discriminate, either. They love all Pols, on the Federal, state and local levels, too. No hand too small to smooch and grease; they love spreadin' the love ...

Having ISPs take our data does not make us loose it any more. ISPs don't see all my data. For instance, when I use the wifi on my house, I use one ISP. However, when I use my mobile data on my phone, I use a different ISP. If I use my college's wifi, I use another ISP. If I use my employer's wifi, I use still another ISP. No one ISP has all my data.

I suspect you are considered a "Miner's Bonanza"
Big Data thanks you.

ISPs should be anonymous gateways. That is all. Period.

But why only ISPs? Why can't we put the same limit on Google, and Facebook, and Microsoft, and Apple, and Amazon, and etc.?

 

[Wisecracker]

But why only ISPs? Why can't we put the same limit on Google, and Facebook, and Microsoft, and Apple, and Amazon, and etc.?

Apples and oranges - ISPs are gateways.

"Google, and Facebook, and Microsoft, and Apple, and Amazon" et. al., can all be avoided quite easily, if one chooses to do so.

 

[dstarr3]

But why only ISPs? Why can't we put the same limit on Google, and Facebook, and Microsoft, and Apple, and Amazon, and etc.?

Let's try an analogy. Google/FB/etc are like cars, IPSs are like roads. With cars, you don't need to buy a particular brand. Don't want a Ford, don't get a Ford. Want a Honda, get a Honda. You have choice, and a lot of it. But, when it comes to roads, if you want to live a normal, productive life, you don't have a choice, you need to use roads.

With ISPs, you don't get a choice. Like roads, you need internet access to live a normal, productive life in this country. You need an ISP. You can't just "opt out" of having internet access and expect your life to be normal. So now anyone that wants a normal, productive life has no option but to subject themselves to privacy invasion.

 

[ajpaolello]

Please come up with a very compelling case to where people don't use google. Or Amazon. How about Windows 10? You keep saying apples and orange but it is really not all that different. The difference you claim is bogus.

 

[dstarr3]

Please come up with a very compelling case to where people don't use google. Or Amazon. How about Windows 10? You keep saying apples and orange but it is really not all that different. The difference you claim is bogus.

Yahoo. Bing. A million others. Same with Amazon, plenty of competition. Including offline competition. You don't need to shop online, you can go to a store. You need e-mail, but you don't need G-Mail specifically. If you don't want Windows 10, get Windows 8, or 7, or Mac, or Linux. There's plenty of options and alternatives.

Compare that to ISPs, even living in Chicago for most of my life, only once did I have a choice in ISPs, and even then, I only had two choices, both of which are popular offenders. Even if a new ISP popped up and offered truly private internet access, there is no guarantee whatsoever that it'll be available to you.

 

[ajpaolello]

Yahoo collects data. Bing, owned by Microsoft collects your data. I'll give you brick and mortar stores. Any email provider can, and probably does, collect your data. Windows 7, 8 and, 10 all collect your data and I would not be surprised if Apple does as well. Linux might be an option but with its own limitations. So people will then stick to Windows.

 

[dstarr3]

Yahoo collects data. Bing, owned by Microsoft collects your data. I'll give you brick and mortar stores. Any email provider can, and probably does, collect your data. Windows 7, 8 and, 10 all collect your data and I would not be surprised if Apple does as well. Linux might be an option but with its own limitations. So people will then stick to Windows.

http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/private-search-engines/
http://windowsitpro.com/windows-10/how-turn-telemetry-windows-7-8-and-windows-10

The problem is choice. Once you're on the internet, you have choice. To get on the internet, you have no choice.

 

[ajpaolello]

Yahoo collects data. Bing, owned by Microsoft collects your data. I'll give you brick and mortar stores. Any email provider can, and probably does, collect your data. Windows 7, 8 and, 10 all collect your data and I would not be surprised if Apple does as well. Linux might be an option but with its own limitations. So people will then stick to Windows.

http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/private-search-engines/
http://windowsitpro.com/windows-10/how-turn-telemetry-windows-7-8-and-windows-10

The problem is choice. Once you're on the internet, you have choice. To get on the internet, you have no choice.

Is there choice though? We can say we opt out of Windows but reading some of the fine text, you really don't. And Google kind of controls the search engine scene. When anyone wants to search something where do they instantly go to? Google. Chrome, one of the most popular web browsers, has google for the searching as the primary. I would say having a choice is not true. You're forced into data collection as easily as ISPs. Get the big software companies and ISPs to stop. Why have this double standard? Why not make them all stop doing it? Why are you ok with Google and the like doing it but not ISPs? You really think you have a choice?

 

[dstarr3]

Yahoo collects data. Bing, owned by Microsoft collects your data. I'll give you brick and mortar stores. Any email provider can, and probably does, collect your data. Windows 7, 8 and, 10 all collect your data and I would not be surprised if Apple does as well. Linux might be an option but with its own limitations. So people will then stick to Windows.

http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/private-search-engines/
http://windowsitpro.com/windows-10/how-turn-telemetry-windows-7-8-and-windows-10

The problem is choice. Once you're on the internet, you have choice. To get on the internet, you have no choice.

Is there choice though? We can say we opt out of Windows but reading some of the fine text, you really don't. And Google kind of controls the search engine scene. When anyone wants to search something where do they instantly go to? Google. Chrome, one of the most popular web browsers, has google for the searching as the primary. I would say having a choice is not true. You're forced into data collection as easily as ISPs. Get the big software companies and ISPs to stop. Why have this double standard? Why not make them all stop doing it? Why are you ok with Google and the like doing it but not ISPs? You really think you have a choice?

I'm not okay with anyone doing it at all. Indeed, software companies and ISPs need to be regulated in these ways. But instead of moving forward, we just took a huge step back. But this discussion is about how, in the meantime, when it comes to software etc, you have choice, but when it comes to ISPs, you don't.

With software etc, making a choice to for a more private alternative may mean sacrificing some quality of life, but it's a choice that can be made. You can "opt out" of the big data collection software and internet, but you can't "opt out" of your ISP's data collection. If you want to get on the internet, you need an ISP, and if you have an ISP, your privacy is being collected and sold. That's the problem. It's a problem with software etc that must also be solved, but instead of solving that problem, another problem was made worse. We're moving backwards rather than forwards, we lost what little privacy we had instead of getting more privacy, and that's the outrage.

 

[ajpaolello]

Yahoo collects data. Bing, owned by Microsoft collects your data. I'll give you brick and mortar stores. Any email provider can, and probably does, collect your data. Windows 7, 8 and, 10 all collect your data and I would not be surprised if Apple does as well. Linux might be an option but with its own limitations. So people will then stick to Windows.

http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/private-search-engines/
http://windowsitpro.com/windows-10/how-turn-telemetry-windows-7-8-and-windows-10

The problem is choice. Once you're on the internet, you have choice. To get on the internet, you have no choice.

Is there choice though? We can say we opt out of Windows but reading some of the fine text, you really don't. And Google kind of controls the search engine scene. When anyone wants to search something where do they instantly go to? Google. Chrome, one of the most popular web browsers, has google for the searching as the primary. I would say having a choice is not true. You're forced into data collection as easily as ISPs. Get the big software companies and ISPs to stop. Why have this double standard? Why not make them all stop doing it? Why are you ok with Google and the like doing it but not ISPs? You really think you have a choice?

I'm not okay with anyone doing it at all. Indeed, software companies and ISPs need to be regulated in these ways. But instead of moving forward, we just took a huge step back. But this discussion is about how, in the meantime, when it comes to software etc, you have choice, but when it comes to ISPs, you don't.

With software etc, making a choice to for a more private alternative may mean sacrificing some quality of life, but it's a choice that can be made. You can "opt out" of the big data collection software and internet, but you can't "opt out" of your ISP's data collection. If you want to get on the internet, you need an ISP, and if you have an ISP, your privacy is being collected and sold. That's the problem. It's a problem with software etc that must also be solved, but instead of solving that problem, another problem was made worse. We're moving backwards rather than forwards, we lost what little privacy we had instead of getting more privacy, and that's the outrage.

No we're exactly where we have been. This never went into effect. It was repealed before it could. So what I hope the next step we move towards is banning all. We'll have to put some trust that this is hopefully the next step after this but we shall see. So right now we are exactly where we have been.

 

[boosted1g]

I love all the people gettting so wrapped up in this with complete ignorance to how things work or the reality of things. Even more hillarious when the masses make a big uproar on this while posting every aspect of their life on facebook, and buying digital assitance devices and every startup-companies IoT devices for home "security".

First and foremost the ISP can not read your emails or your file transfers or anything else from any website using HTTPS. Encryption from these sites happens at the session layer or above and thus anything the ISP can see (which is at transport layer and bellow) is all encrypted. Even going to google.com and searching is still in an encrypted session so even that search is encrypted; now yes clicking that link and thus requesting data from the websites IP address can be seen by ISP.

Google collects your data, Facebook collects your data, Microsoft collects your data and yes even Apple collects your data, and that is just to name a few. While I certainly dont per-say like the fact that ISP can collect my data, I fully realize that pretty much every ounce of that data is arleady being collected by someone else anyways. Bottom line the companies who pay for the user data are going to get it one way or another whether it is from my ISP, my OS, my device OEM, my search engine or the app I use. Thus if you are getting all wound up about this just now, then you are far more then just "a day late and a dollar short"

There are far more important things like identity theft or how vulnerable your smart home "security camera" is that the masses should be worried about vs user data/browsing history for marketing and trend analysis.

 

[Daekar3]

The sky is falling! The world is just like it was last fall!! OMG!

Seriously, stop the panic Chicken Little.

The FTC, who is not affected by the bill, is who should've been regulating this the whole time.

 

[redrooster01]

You should at least be using Mozilla Firefox,its open source,easy to use and has been all about your privacy from day one. Firefox will warn you when you go to an unsecured site without HTTPS and the green padlock in the address bar. This site Toms Hardware doesnt have it! Why Toms would have an unsecured site I dont know?

 

[Wisecracker]

"The search engine that doesn't track you"
They were doing SSL before it was cool. There is all kinds of interesting irony in this thread. Some clearly value their privacy and security higher than others ... some of whom seem rather cavalier about it, too.

Bottom line is your presumed ability to *Opt-Out* is denied, and the 'Power of PRISM' is shuffle'd into private hands. Sorry, chums. Not in my America.

The missing context which makes the irony even sweeter is the history of the Patriot/Freedom Acts, Court denial of govt bulk-data collection under Sections 215 & 702, and the now near-complete privatization of these powers of "PRISM" et. al., in BigCableCo and BigCommCo. In files and formats, optimized of course in times of 'national security," for direct govt queries. New Boss. Old Boss. Same Boss.

We've paid a lot of $$ for the Mass Surveillance Industrial Complex, and daggum, we're gonna use it