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Trump to impose 25% to 100% tariffs on Taiwan-made chips, impacting TSMC

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[Amdlova]

Trump is right. Just tariff the 30% of tsmc imposed on America made chips.

 

[beyondlogic]

someone might be slapping trump now lol. mean while nvidia will make up some market bs for raising card prices due to tarriff war ( joke but possible lol)

 

[bit_user]

Building fabs in the USA is going to become a lot more expensive, once Denmark slaps export taxes on ASML machines (esp. if this Greenland business escalates). After accounting for that, a lot of companies might feel the import tariffs on TSMC chips aren't quite so unpalatable.

 

[hotaru251]

mean while nvidia will make up some market bs for raising card prices due to tarriff war ( joke but possible lol)

will 100% raise price cause of tariffs.
Tariffs are the consumers tax as the shop aint losing the $.

Nvidia was already whining about the restrictions to sell stuff in other countries and this is in a similar thign as it impacts literally everything they sell not just in other countries.

 

[bit_user]

Bring on the pain.

Once the stock market crashes, I think some of these policy positions will shift to ones that are much less painful.

Not sure about the prospect for gains, due to the turmoil trade wars create among global supply chains. We had a taste of that, back in 2021-2022. It's not feasible to produce everything domestically.

 

[TechieTwo]

Tariffs are used to level the economic playing field and encourage production and jobs in a country. TSMC can easily just finish segments 2 and 3 in the U.S. to produce all the chips needed. If Intel ever gets their act together they could expand U.S. production also.

 

[wwenze1]

"They left us and went to Taiwan; we want them to come back. We do not want to give them billions of dollars like this ridiculous program that Biden has given everybody billions of dollars. They already have billions of dollars. […] They did not need money. They needed an incentive. And the incentive is going to be they [do not want to] pay a 25%, 50% or even a 100% tax."

They hadn't left. Intel Foundry was the best for decades (remember when TSMC was stuck on 28nm?)

But USA let scammers run the company. And it stopped progress for a decade.

 

[usertests]

This is how we beat DeepSeek. End the reliance on high-performance GPUs.

 

[spongiemaster]

someone might be slapping trump now lol. mean while nvidia will make up some market bs for raising card prices due to tarriff war ( joke but possible lol)

Nvidia won't be paying the tariffs, except maybe on the FE models. Tariffs are a tax levied at US borders. Whoever is importing the product into the US will be responsible for paying the tariff which will be passed on to the consumer.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

It’s a good incentive to get more things built in the USA. If 2020 taught us anything it should be that things which are critical at least should be made domestically. Let’s say an event such as a war happens for example, you don’t want to be at someone’s mercy because you don’t have chips for your missiles, military vehicles or parts for your electric grid for example.

I do like the idea though if he does abolish the IRS as he’s saying then I’ll have more money to pay the higher cost. And if the prices on fuel, food etc begin to come down, I’ll save money in some of those areas anyway.

 

[PiersPlowman]

Having all one's eggs in one basket is rarely a good idea, and a lot of this offshoring was originally done with little thought to how things might look beyond the next quarter. Wall Street is full of economic carpet baggers.

Trump seems to have taken a more strategic view of retaining core interests, which seems sound. It's the tactics he might employ which have me raising my eyebrows.

 

[George³]

"Will" or "to be" means it is still to happen sometime in the future, not right now. Does anyone here have any idea when (at least relatively) exactly it will happen?

 

[V8VENOM]

strategic view of retaining core interests

You mean pay US labor 50X more than cheaper labor from externals? How could that possibly be a benefit in any sense? Price of everything is going to skyrocket 300% inflation. What do you think US "core" companies are going to do? Pay US labor 50X more or automate everything and build on AI to replace all labor because it's much cheaper to build machines.

 

[PiersPlowman]

You mean pay US labor 50X more than cheaper labor from externals? How could that possibly be a benefit in any sense? Price of everything is going to skyrocket 300% inflation. What do you think US "core" companies are going to do? Pay US labor 50X more or automate everything and build on AI to replace all labor because it's much cheaper to build machines.

Any rapid or exorbitant price increases will not be sustainable in the long term. If it means forcing more life out of existing systems, so be it.

And you are forgetting, the Chicoms get a vote in this, too. If TSMC were to have a <cough> change of ownership <cough>, then prices could get really volatile indeed.

 

[Blacksad999]

Just like working out and exercising after spending ten years on your ass playing video games and drinking high fructose corn syrup laden alluring poison: the first few months of lifting weights and running hurt like hell.

But then something incredible happens: your body adapts and becomes vastly stronger with every repetition and you seek this alluring strength and leave the poison soda behind. .

This is our opportunity to become a MIGHTY nation once again while setting the benchmark for what is possible.

No pain, no gain.

Bring on the pain.

No country in history has ever produced everything it needs domestically.

They'll just raise prices for consumers to offset the difference and sell more goods to everyone else. Like the article stated, it takes billions and billions of dollars, about a decade, and a means to attract a lot of the top talent (Immigrants) from all over the world.

That's simply not going to happen.

 

[3en88]

Since all of their customers are American and all of their fabs will be in America the company's new name will probably be ASMC.

 

[George³]

Since all of their customers are American and all of their fabs will be in America the company's new name will probably be ASMC.

Hmm, this abbreviation already existed

ASMC - Bundeswehr Shop for Military Clothing & Equipment ...

Also is abbreviation of the event:

Advanced Semiconductor Manufacturing Conference

 

[Blacksad999]

It’s a good incentive to get more things built in the USA. If 2020 taught us anything it should be that things which are critical at least should be made domestically. Let’s say an event such as a war happens for example, you don’t want to be at someone’s mercy because you don’t have chips for your missiles, military vehicles or parts for your electric grid for example.

I do like the idea though if he does abolish the IRS as he’s saying then I’ll have more money to pay the higher cost. And if the prices on fuel, food etc begin to come down, I’ll save money in some of those areas anyway.

Without people paying taxes and tax enforcement, who's going to pay for all of that exactly? lol

No country in history has produced everything it needs domestically. Trade has always existed.

If you think that these countries they're slapping tariffs on aren't going to respond in kind with tariffs of their own, you're sorely mistaken.

Hope you didn't want to buy anything with a microchip in it for the next decade.

 

[Gaidax]

Oboi, you thought $2k MSRP for 5090 was expensive.

 

[Gaidax]

No country in history has ever produced everything it needs domestically.

They'll just raise prices for consumers to offset the difference and sell more goods to everyone else. Like the article stated, it takes billions and billions of dollars, about a decade, and a means to attract a lot of the top talent (Immigrants) from all over the world.

That's simply not going to happen.

Now, this is not exactly the best take as far as USA goes or heck even the world.

In my opinion US (and Europe), should massively ramp up their efforts to build their own bleeding edge fabs. It is all kinds of crazy that the most advanced and by far largest fab everyone needs is found only in Taiwan, a place that could go up in smoke in a matter of months if China finally decides to eat it up.

If this kind of pain is what is needed to put all these trillion-dollar worth corpos into overdrive to create similar capabilities and capacities in US and Europe - then it needs to happen.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Without people paying taxes and tax enforcement, who's going to pay for all of that exactly? lol

No country in history has produced everything it needs domestically. Trade has always existed.

If you think that these countries they're slapping tariffs on aren't going to respond in kind with tariffs of their own, you're sorely mistaken.

Hope you didn't want to buy anything with a microchip in it for the next decade.

I’ve said for years take away the IRS and have no taxes at least federally coming from your paycheck then instead have a federal sales tax. I don’t know exactly what that number is, but if I’ve got no federal taxes coming from my check and instead pay say a 10-15% extra sales tax on goods I buy, I’m good with that. Think about it, because then you don’t have the overhead of that agency that taxpayers are paying for, plus even if someone is in the country who isn’t a citizen and doesn’t currently pay taxes or if people are doing illegal activities for money, they still are likely buying groceries, gas etc, so then you’d get taxes from all that income essentially. Or if they wanted to do away with all the deductions etc and just have a 10% flat tax so no matter if you’re poor or rich etc that you pay 10% of your income in tax or whatever number that is, but I feel something like that is fair because everyone would pay the same percentage.

I’m of the opinion as well that there are probably a lot more expenses that can be cut as well.

As far as other countries with tariffs, that may be, but considering the US is a huge player economically and a lot of trade is still done in dollars, they may hurt their own economy more in the long run.

 

[zsydeepsky]

emmm...
does this mean I can buy new graphic cards cheaper in China (compare to the US)?

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

I’ve said for years take away the IRS and have no taxes at least federally coming from your paycheck then instead have a federal sales tax. I don’t know exactly what that number is, but if I’ve got no federal taxes coming from my check and instead pay say a 10-15% extra sales tax on goods I buy, I’m good with that. Think about it, because then you don’t have the overhead of that agency that taxpayers are paying for, plus even if someone is in the country who isn’t a citizen and doesn’t currently pay taxes or if people are doing illegal activities for money, they still are likely buying groceries, gas etc, so then you’d get taxes from all that income essentially. Or if they wanted to do away with all the deductions etc and just have a 10% flat tax so no matter if you’re poor or rich etc that you pay 10% of your income in tax or whatever number that is, but I feel something like that is fair because everyone would pay the same percentage.

I’m of the opinion as well that there are probably a lot more expenses that can be cut as well.

As far as other countries with tariffs, that may be, but considering the US is a huge player economically and a lot of trade is still done in dollars, they may hurt their own economy more in the long run.

That’s how Texas does their taxes. No income tax, instead we have Sales tax on all non-necessities (so no sales tax on food, water, etc.) and property tax. I think this is a fair system since richer people buy more non-necessity stuff thus pay more in taxes, and richer people own property so they pay to play the real estate game, whereas home/apartment renters/leasers are tax free.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

The poor certainly aren't going to be ok with that. How are individuals and families living around and below the poverty line going to afford a 10-15% cut in their income? A 15% tax would literally kill off the poor.

Well in Texas, there’s no income tax, only property owners pay property tax, renters/leasers have no tax, and necessities like grocery store & pharmacy purchases are tax free. It works out pretty well.