[SOLVED] Trying to decide which CPU would be ideal for me

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Good afternoon,

I came to this website about six years ago for help building a gaming PC and got phenomenal advice. The PC was great and I still use it regularly however I'm looking to make a serious upgrade and build a brand new PC.

The main games that I play are strategy games, Crusader Kings 2 being my main game (especially with the AGoT Mod). The game stutters unbearably in the mod unless I play with the Westeros only submod.

I'm looking to build a new pc to play these kinds of games but also FPS and RPG games and Elite Dangerous with my friends.

If I understand correctly, older games likes Crusader Kings 2 use only one core so single core power is important but (and I know this term is frowned upon) some futureproofing is important to me. I'd like to buy a good MOBO that will allow for some upgrading down the road. Is AMD's Ryzen Zen 2 the way to go for a better upgrading future or are Intels just as good or better for that?

I'd only be gaming on the pc, perhaps doing school work too. Price isn't a huge issue so I'm willing to spend a decent amount (maybe 2000-3000k CAD).

I'm torn between the Ryzen 3700x which seems to be fantastic both performance wise and value wise, and the I7 8700k or (possibly) the i9 9900k, but when I was building my current PC 6 years ago, Intel was often considered to be noticeably better for gaming. Is that still true? Does Intel hold the unequivocal edge still?

For a gaming pc with some degree of future proofing that will be used to play older games that may only use one core and new games that may use multicores, are the intels better or are the AMDs fine or even better?

Thank you for your time.
 

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Yes, at 1080p, Intel wins out. If you have a 60hz panel, though, the argument is moot. For high refresh 1080p, AMD is competitive, but Intel does win out. 1440p/4k the situation is a bit different, as the gap tends to be quite narrow. Intel 10th gen will not be using the current socket/chipset. 4th gen will most likely use the current socket, and be supported, via bios update, on at least the 5xx chipsets. AMD has stated AM4 is good through 2020, and we have seen a new CPU gen, every year, since Ryzen 1st gen launch.

I went a bit overboard, but this gives you an idea, on what you can do, with that budget, even including a 1440p monitor.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor ($685.75 @ shopRBC)
CPU Cooler: Fractal Design Celsius S36 87.6 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($163.99 @ PC-Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 GAMING X ATX AM4 Motherboard ($219.99 @ Memory Express)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB GAMING Video Card ($920.99 @ PC-Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($129.50 @ Vuugo)
Monitor: Acer XG270HU 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($469.90 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Total: $2950.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-16 12:37 EDT-0400



Even at the lower side of your budget, you can do a very capable 1440p rig, with some simple changes.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($444.86 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 GAMING X ATX AM4 Motherboard ($219.99 @ Memory Express)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card ($578.99 @ PC-Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($129.50 @ Vuugo)
Monitor: Acer XG270HU 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($469.90 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Total: $2203.21
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-16 12:44 EDT-0400
 
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Price/performance, AMD is the way to go, now. Intel still gets you max FPS, but not enough of a difference, that you are going to notice, without an FPS meter. Intel has to clock higher, and use more power, to achieve those better FPS, also. AMD's IPC is actually a bit better, than Intel, they just don't clock as high. Does this build include a monitor? You definitely have the budget for a good 1440p build.
 
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Price/performance, AMD is the way to go, now. Intel still gets you max FPS, but not enough of a difference, that you are going to notice, without an FPS meter. Intel has to clock higher, and use more power, to achieve those better FPS, also. AMD's IPC is actually a bit better, than Intel, they just don't clock as high. Does this build include a monitor? You definitely have the budget for a good 1440p build.
First, thank you for the reply.

So basically other than for enthusiasts AMD makes the most sense. That's encouraging!

I wasn't planning on buying a new monitor right away, I was thinking I'd continue to use my old 1080p monitor for a bit. I'm not that concerned about graphics or resolution. Nice visuals are nice but smooth gameplay is of paramount importance to me.
 
Just another point of view especially as this is pretty much a pure gaming build. The Intel CPU's specifically the 8700K or the 9700K (I am not even including the 9900K) are great options and will provide the best frame rates period over the Ryzen side and I am not even including overclocking to 5GHz that both easily achieve. As you are after the smoothest game play then do not count Intel out as you will definitely achieve that with either the 8700K or 9700K and most importantly at 1080P where they do stretch there legs over Ryzen. Also the Intel platform is now extremely stable with XMP never being an issue and overclocking being very, very easy.

Yes AMD and Ryzen have really come a long way and with the latest Ryzen CPU's they are not only good value but perform extremely well and take the lead if you are a heavy productivity user for editing, rendering etc or if you are going to play at 1440p or 4K as the CPU is less important. Just check out the many, many reviews especially on the gaming side at 1080P and then make your mind up unless you have a tight budget where I would recommend the Ryzen 3600/B450 combination.

And just for clarity, I have a 8700K system overclocked to 4.9GHz as my gaming rig and a new Ryzen 3700X for video editing mainly and for work (I work for a Software Vendor)..
 
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The AMD 3700X performs just as good or little better than Intel 8700K in games and is cheaper and draws less energy. And you can probably use the same motherboard (X570 or the upcoming B550) if you want to upgrade to a 4700X or 4900X in the future.

The Intel 9700K performs 5% - 10% better than AMD's 3700X in most games, but it's not sure if the next generation CPU's from Intel will use the same socket?
 

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Yes, at 1080p, Intel wins out. If you have a 60hz panel, though, the argument is moot. For high refresh 1080p, AMD is competitive, but Intel does win out. 1440p/4k the situation is a bit different, as the gap tends to be quite narrow. Intel 10th gen will not be using the current socket/chipset. 4th gen will most likely use the current socket, and be supported, via bios update, on at least the 5xx chipsets. AMD has stated AM4 is good through 2020, and we have seen a new CPU gen, every year, since Ryzen 1st gen launch.

I went a bit overboard, but this gives you an idea, on what you can do, with that budget, even including a 1440p monitor.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor ($685.75 @ shopRBC)
CPU Cooler: Fractal Design Celsius S36 87.6 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($163.99 @ PC-Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 GAMING X ATX AM4 Motherboard ($219.99 @ Memory Express)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB GAMING Video Card ($920.99 @ PC-Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($129.50 @ Vuugo)
Monitor: Acer XG270HU 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($469.90 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Total: $2950.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-16 12:37 EDT-0400



Even at the lower side of your budget, you can do a very capable 1440p rig, with some simple changes.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($444.86 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 GAMING X ATX AM4 Motherboard ($219.99 @ Memory Express)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card ($578.99 @ PC-Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($129.50 @ Vuugo)
Monitor: Acer XG270HU 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($469.90 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Total: $2203.21
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-16 12:44 EDT-0400
 
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the 9700k is a good CPU. For some odd reason left out in a lot of comparisons with a lot being done with an 8700k and the 9900k. Personally I would avoid the the 9900k Its not enough punch for what its asking for price wise.

Ive heard lots of glowing things about Ryzen, but I've personally stayed away from it. If you do consider a 9 series intel, please be aware of the increased power draw from previous gens and even more so the additional thermal issues the chips bring. I had to change cases and cooler to ensure my system wasn't getting so hot.
 
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Just another point of view especially as this is pretty much a pure gaming build. The Intel CPU's specifically the 8700K or the 9700K (I am not even including the 9900K) are great options and will provide the best frame rates period over the Ryzen side and I am not even including overclocking to 5GHz that both easily achieve. As you are after the smoothest game play then do not count Intel out as you will definitely achieve that with either the 8700K or 9700K and most importantly at 1080P where they do stretch there legs over Ryzen. Also the Intel platform is now extremely stable with XMP never being an issue and overclocking being very, very easy.

Yes AMD and Ryzen have really come a long way and with the latest Ryzen CPU's they are not only good value but perform extremely well and take the lead if you are a heavy productivity user for editing, rendering etc or if you are going to play at 1440p or 4K as the CPU is less important. Just check out the many, many reviews especially on the gaming side at 1080P and then make your mind up unless you have a tight budget where I would recommend the Ryzen 3600/B450 combination.

And just for clarity, I have a 8700K system overclocked to 4.9GHz as my gaming rig and a new Ryzen 3700X for video editing mainly and for work (I work for a Software Vendor)..
That is a stellar reply, thanks!

Ugh this is a tough decision 😂. I'm really torn. I guess I'll have to think about both and maybe see which one would have a better MOBO for a better price... but I think you're right, intel for gaming.
Is Ryzen any more "futureproofed" than current intel architectures?

Also I'm interested in VR. Does one do better than the other for VR?
 
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The AMD 3700X performs just as good or little better than Intel 8700K in games and is cheaper and draws less energy. And you can probably use the same motherboard (X570 or the upcoming B550) if you want to upgrade to a 4700X or 4900X in the future.

The Intel 9700K performs 5% - 10% better than AMD's 3700X in most games, but it's not sure if the next generation CPU's from Intel will use the same socket?
That is an excellent point. When spending this kind of money, upgradeability is super important.
Thank you :).
 
That is a stellar reply, thanks!

Ugh this is a tough decision 😂. I'm really torn. I guess I'll have to think about both and maybe see which one would have a better MOBO for a better price... but I think you're right, intel for gaming.
Is Ryzen any more "futureproofed" than current intel architectures?

Also I'm interested in VR. Does one do better than the other for VR?
More than understand but the good news it is very hard to buy a bad CPU these days thanks to AMD competing properly. As to VR, no issues whatsoever as I have an 8700K and I blast through gaming on my Oculus Rift S VR. A 2070 Super has more than enough grunt..so no worries.

As to future proof. AMD Ryzen has one more generation I believe on it's chipset and Intel will be moving to a new chipset for Comet lake (not worth it as just another 14nm+++.......+'s refinement but 10nm coming mid to end next year)...though I just would not let this worry you as the system you buy now will last you a good 4 to 5 years and by then we will have the next gen Ryzen and Intel's 10nm response proper and who knows what will be best. I just buy the very best for my use case I can now, and plan for a 3 to 4 year upgrade cycle.
 
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Yes, at 1080p, Intel wins out. If you have a 60hz panel, though, the argument is moot. For high refresh 1080p, AMD is competitive, but Intel does win out. 1440p/4k the situation is a bit different, as the gap tends to be quite narrow. Intel 10th gen will not be using the current socket/chipset. 4th gen will most likely use the current socket, and be supported, via bios update, on at least the 5xx chipsets. AMD has stated AM4 is good through 2020, and we have seen a new CPU gen, every year, since Ryzen 1st gen launch.

I went a bit overboard, but this gives you an idea, on what you can do, with that budget, even including a 1440p monitor.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor ($685.75 @ shopRBC)
CPU Cooler: Fractal Design Celsius S36 87.6 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($163.99 @ PC-Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 GAMING X ATX AM4 Motherboard ($219.99 @ Memory Express)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB GAMING Video Card ($920.99 @ PC-Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($129.50 @ Vuugo)
Monitor: Acer XG270HU 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($469.90 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Total: $2950.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-16 12:37 EDT-0400



Even at the lower side of your budget, you can do a very capable 1440p rig, with some simple changes.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($444.86 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 GAMING X ATX AM4 Motherboard ($219.99 @ Memory Express)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card ($578.99 @ PC-Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($129.50 @ Vuugo)
Monitor: Acer XG270HU 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($469.90 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Total: $2203.21
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-16 12:44 EDT-0400
Damn, you went way above and beyond... that's so kind of you.
Yes, at 1080p, Intel wins out. If you have a 60hz panel, though, the argument is moot. For high refresh 1080p, AMD is competitive, but Intel does win out. 1440p/4k the situation is a bit different, as the gap tends to be quite narrow. Intel 10th gen will not be using the current socket/chipset. 4th gen will most likely use the current socket, and be supported, via bios update, on at least the 5xx chipsets. AMD has stated AM4 is good through 2020, and we have seen a new CPU gen, every year, since Ryzen 1st gen launch.

I went a bit overboard, but this gives you an idea, on what you can do, with that budget, even including a 1440p monitor.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor ($685.75 @ shopRBC)
CPU Cooler: Fractal Design Celsius S36 87.6 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($163.99 @ PC-Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 GAMING X ATX AM4 Motherboard ($219.99 @ Memory Express)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB GAMING Video Card ($920.99 @ PC-Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($129.50 @ Vuugo)
Monitor: Acer XG270HU 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($469.90 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Total: $2950.09
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-16 12:37 EDT-0400



Even at the lower side of your budget, you can do a very capable 1440p rig, with some simple changes.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($444.86 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 GAMING X ATX AM4 Motherboard ($219.99 @ Memory Express)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card ($578.99 @ PC-Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($129.50 @ Vuugo)
Monitor: Acer XG270HU 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($469.90 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Total: $2203.21
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-16 12:44 EDT-0400
Wow you really went above the call of duty!! Thank you!!

I really like what you put there, particularly in the first one. I dont like to skimp out on the MOBO or PSU. So those are a good MOBO and PSU with upgrade potential? I was thinking for mobo the "Asus Rog Crosshair VIII Hero X570". For RAM, 16gb is enough? Finally, is that a good case for airflow would you say?

Again, thank you so much!
 
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the 9700k is a good CPU. For some odd reason left out in a lot of comparisons with a lot being done with an 8700k and the 9900k. Personally I would avoid the the 9900k Its not enough punch for what its asking for price wise.

Ive heard lots of glowing things about Ryzen, but I've personally stayed away from it. If you do consider a 9 series intel, please be aware of the increased power draw from previous gens and even more so the additional thermal issues the chips bring. I had to change cases and cooler to ensure my system wasn't getting so hot.
That is really good to know, thank you. For those reasons I probably will avoid the 9 series... probably.
 

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Question, whats your current PC specs?

Im not AMD nor Intel fan boy, I had an core i5 3570 for the last 5 years and it was my gaming CPU, a month ago (I finaly got the money saved) and I bought a Ryzen 5 3600 (plus mobo+ram ) and It works fantastic, not holding back my RTX 2070 on 1080p at all (games like SOTR, BF V, etc). Of course a Ryzen 7 3700X/3900X or a intel 8700K/9700K/9900K would give more FPS, but honselty, I dont need more, long as its around 90~110FPS, 99% of the time Im fine with it. (And I can upgrade my CPU later on, either to a Ryzen 3700X or to a soon 4xxx when they come out)

As of the i7 9700K, I feel is a crappy CPU, not cause of its peformance, which today is awesome, It really shines on all actual games, I meant on the core / thread count, the fact that Intel shut off the extra 8 threads out of the ecuation it only make sense to charge you a premium for the 9900K, see the point ?

I feel thats why most reviewers leave the 9700K (8cores/8threads) out, cause you can go with a cheaper 8700K (6 cores / 12 threads) or a more expensive core i9 9900K (8 cores / 16 threads). In any case I repeat as of today, the 9700K is a great CPU, and if you get a good mobo, you could update to a 9900K in the future.

As on topic, have tested this old game on Windows 10 right ?, you sure it works? cause you wont be able to run any of this CPUs on Windows 7.
 
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Hi
Question, whats your current PC specs?

Im not AMD nor Intel fan boy, I had an core i5 3570 for the last 5 years and it was my gaming CPU, a month ago (I finaly got the money saved) and I bought a Ryzen 5 3600 (plus mobo+ram ) and It works fantastic, not holding back my RTX 2070 on 1080p at all (games like SOTR, BF V, etc). Of course a Ryzen 7 3700X/3900X or a intel 8700K/9700K/9900K would give more FPS, but honselty, I dont need more, long as its around 90~110FPS, 99% of the time Im fine with it. (And I can upgrade my CPU later on, either to a Ryzen 3700X or to a soon 4xxx when they come out)

As of the i7 9700K, I feel is a crappy CPU, not cause of its peformance, which today is awesome, It really shines on all actual games, I meant on the core / thread count, the fact that Intel shut off the extra 8 threads out of the ecuation it only make sense to charge you a premium for the 9900K, see the point ?

I feel thats why most reviewers leave the 9700K (8cores/8threads) out, cause you can go with a cheaper 8700K (6 cores / 12 threads) or a more expensive core i9 9900K (8 cores / 16 threads). In any case I repeat as of today, the 9700K is a great CPU, and if you get a good mobo, you could update to a 9900K in the future.

As on topic, have tested this old game on Windows 10 right ?, you sure it works? cause you wont be able to run any of this CPUs on Windows 7.
My old specs are:

Intel i5 4460 (using stock cooler)
EVGA Nvidia GTX 760 2GB
2x 4GB Ripjaw GSkill RAM
Asus Z-97 Mobo
Cooler master something case
A really good (I think) Corsair PSU with 750w.

Your comment and some of the others are really pushing me towards Ryzen 7 or 9... even 5 is probably plenty. Honestly, even 60-70 fps is plenty for me...

The reason I'm willing to spend so much is that I was just about to buy a house and the financing fell through... so my budget is basically what I was going to spend on closing costs (title transfer, about 850
And a Lawyer, about 2500-3500). I was going to build a new pc probably in the spring when it made sense budget wise but now that the house is not a thing, I figure I'll splurge on a new pc to soften the disappointment.

Wow, the i7 9700k sounds awful... like a total ripoff.

I'd have to check if it works on windows 10 but the game is still having content releases so I'd be willing to bet it works on windows 10. I use windows 8.1 now.
 
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16gb is currently enough, but you can do 32gb, for a bit of longevity. The fractal meshify c is a very good case, for the money. You could go a bit more overkill, on the PSU, also, in the event you decide you want to go to a more powerful/power hungry graphics card, in the future. For most single card setups, 750w is plenty. I changed the ram to 32gb, changed the PSU to an 850w, and upped the motherboard to better handle a higher core count cpu, like the 16 core 3950x, that should be out soon. I removed the water cooling, to keep the price within budget. The stock cooler is quite good, but can get get a bit loud. You can always add a better one, later on, if you don't want to spend extra on one.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor ($685.75 @ shopRBC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard ($269.99 @ Memory Express)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($234.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB GAMING Video Card ($920.99 @ PC-Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($166.50 @ Vuugo)
Monitor: Acer XG270HU 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($469.90 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Total: $2998.10
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-16 14:39 EDT-0400
 
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My old specs are:

Intel i5 4460 (using stock cooler)
EVGA Nvidia GTX 760 2GB
2x 4GB Ripjaw GSkill RAM
Asus Z-97 Mobo
Cooler master something case
A really good (I think) Corsair PSU with 750w.

Your comment and some of the others are really pushing me towards Ryzen 7 or 9... even 5 is probably plenty. Honestly, even 60-70 fps is plenty for me...

The reason I'm willing to spend so much is that I was just about to buy a house and the financing fell through... so my budget is basically what I was going to spend on closing costs (title transfer, about 850
And a Lawyer, about 2500-3500). I was going to build a new pc probably in the spring when it made sense budget wise but now that the house is not a thing, I figure I'll splurge on a new pc to soften the disappointment.

Wow, the i7 9700k sounds awful... like a total ripoff.

I'd have to check if it works on windows 10 but the game is still having content releases so I'd be willing to bet it works on windows 10. I use windows 8.1 now.

As others wrote, and now that Ive seen your old PC specs, yeah, anything like a Ryzen 3700X (for better future proof) will be awesome, and buy a X570 mobo (thats the only part I regret from my build), I went with a cheaper but still good Gigabyte B450 mobo (I miss ASUS BIOS, why didn't I bought and ASUS board?), and the BIOS update process is horrible, unless you have an old Ryzen CPU, is a pain in the ass.
 
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As others wrote, and now that Ive seen your old PC specs, yeah, anything like a Ryzen 3700X (for better future proof) will be awesome, and buy a X570 mobo (thats the only part I regret from my build), I went with a cheaper but still good Gigabyte B450 mobo (I miss ASUS BIOS, why didn't I bought and ASUS board?), and the BIOS update process is horrible, unless you have an old Ryzen CPU, is a pain in the ass.
So the X570 isna good Mobo? I see okay reviews but many of the negative reviews are complaining about it being DoA or killing their CPU.
I also like Asus and may spend more a good Asus.

Do you mean if I put a ryzen into my current mobo, the BIOS update process would be awful?
I mean, for an average gamer, does a particular MOBO matter much?
 

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You want x570. Your board wouldn't wouldn't work with Ryzen. A b450 board needs a bios update, in order to run Ryzen 3000 cpu's. That can be time consuming, and could cause unnecessary issues, that you would not have using an x570. I have avoided Asus, this go round, due to Asus's bios issues, on older chipsets, since Ryzen 3000 launch. Those issues might not apply to their x570 boards, but it was enough to make me avoid them. You have to be careful with user reviews, as many bad reviews are due to user error.
 

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Many people don't like the x570 chipset because its first-gen PCIe 4.0 implementation seems to be a power hog. As for using 400-series chipsets with 3rd-gen Ryzen, the BIOS issue can easily be avoided by buying a board with updated BIOS preloaded or CPU-less BIOS update capability. Many manufacturers have updated marketing/SKUs for their refreshed boards such as MSI's MAX lineup.

Personally, I'm not buying until the B550 boards come out next year at the very least.
 
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Many people don't like the x570 chipset because its first-gen PCIe 4.0 implementation seems to be a power hog. As for using 400-series chipsets with 3rd-gen Ryzen, the BIOS issue can easily be avoided by buying a board with updated BIOS preloaded or CPU-less BIOS update capability. Many manufacturers have updated marketing/SKUs for their refreshed boards such as MSI's MAX lineup.

Personally, I'm not buying until the B550 boards come out next year at the very least.
Would that PCIe 4.0 lead to more heat? What about it being a power hog bothers people?

How do you tell which MOBOs have the updated BIOS preloaded?
 
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16gb is currently enough, but you can do 32gb, for a bit of longevity. The fractal meshify c is a very good case, for the money. You could go a bit more overkill, on the PSU, also, in the event you decide you want to go to a more powerful/power hungry graphics card, in the future. For most single card setups, 750w is plenty. I changed the ram to 32gb, changed the PSU to an 850w, and upped the motherboard to better handle a higher core count cpu, like the 16 core 3950x, that should be out soon. I removed the water cooling, to keep the price within budget. The stock cooler is quite good, but can get get a bit loud. You can always add a better one, later on, if you don't want to spend extra on one.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor ($685.75 @ shopRBC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard ($269.99 @ Memory Express)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($234.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB GAMING Video Card ($920.99 @ PC-Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($166.50 @ Vuugo)
Monitor: Acer XG270HU 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($469.90 @ Mike's Computer Shop)
Total: $2998.10
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-16 14:39 EDT-0400
I must have missed this comment... I think this is what I'll go for, minus the Ryzen 9 since it's out of stock literally everywhere, and probably just do 16Gb RAM for now.
 

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