TSA and travelling with batteries

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Big Bill writes:

> If this were the reason, why are lithium batteries not banned?

Most types of lithium batteries _are_ banned. However, consumer AA
lithium batteries have overcurrent protection built in, and their design
makes them inherently less likely to explode as well, so they are
allowed.

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On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:54:49 +0100, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@hotmail.com>
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>Big Bill writes:
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>> If this were the reason, why are lithium batteries not banned?
>
>Most types of lithium batteries _are_ banned. However, consumer AA
>lithium batteries have overcurrent protection built in, and their design
>makes them inherently less likely to explode as well, so they are
>allowed.

Then why are you trying to tell us the batteries in the OP's post were
taken because the lithium batteries could explode?

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Owamanga writes:

> A lithium battery on it's own is barely enough to wound
> a cat, let-alone bring down an aircraft.

Lithium batteries can behave just like C4.

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On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:55:29 +0100, RE: Re: TSA and travelling with
batteries Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Owamanga writes:
>
>> A lithium battery on it's own is barely enough to wound
>> a cat, let-alone bring down an aircraft.
>
>Lithium batteries can behave just like C4.

So can water if you confine it in container and heat it enough.

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Big Bill writes:

> Then why are you trying to tell us the batteries in the OP's post were
> taken because the lithium batteries could explode?

I was speculating on possible reasons why the TSA might be interested in
them. The two risks routinely associated with lithium batteries are
explosion and their use in illegal drug manufacture.

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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:10:04 +0100, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@hotmail.com>
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>Big Bill writes:
>
>> Then why are you trying to tell us the batteries in the OP's post were
>> taken because the lithium batteries could explode?
>
>I was speculating on possible reasons why the TSA might be interested in
>them. The two risks routinely associated with lithium batteries are
>explosion and their use in illegal drug manufacture.

But that still doesn't explain why only *some* were taken.
If a prospective flyer brought 2 nail clippers, would only one be
taken?
Your explanation, while plausible, doesn't fit the facts, as given by
the OP.
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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:10:04 +0100, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Big Bill writes:
>
>> Then why are you trying to tell us the batteries in the OP's post were
>> taken because the lithium batteries could explode?
>
>I was speculating on possible reasons why the TSA might be interested in
>them. The two risks routinely associated with lithium batteries are
>explosion and their use in illegal drug manufacture.

So, now the guy was worried that he might set up a meth lab on the
plane?

Jeez..

<g>

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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 07:54:33 -0600, Vic Dura wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 23:55:29 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:
>>Owamanga writes:
>>
>>> A lithium battery on it's own is barely enough to wound
>>> a cat, let-alone bring down an aircraft.
>>
>>Lithium batteries can behave just like C4.
>
> So can water if you confine it in container and heat it enough.

Jee-Zuz!
Don't anyone tell The Department Of HomeLand Hysteria that!

 

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Vic Dura writes:

> So can water if you confine it in container and heat it enough.

You don't have to do that with lithium batteries. All you have to do is
short them out.

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Owamanga writes:

> So, now the guy was worried that he might set up a meth lab on the
> plane?
>
> Jeez..

In today's paranoid police state, that wouldn't surprise me.

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Big Bill <bill@pipping.com> wrote:

> But that still doesn't explain why only *some* were taken.

<speculation>
Maybe statistics tell them that at least 8 batteries are required to set
up a meth lab on a plane?
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:38:00 +0100, dittert@despammed.com (Dirk
Dittert) wrote:

>Big Bill <bill@pipping.com> wrote:
>
>> But that still doesn't explain why only *some* were taken.
>
><speculation>
>Maybe statistics tell them that at least 8 batteries are required to set
>up a meth lab on a plane?
></speculation>

That would explain why they X-Ray your shoes now. They are obviously
looking for small parachutes that could be used to perform high
altitudes in-flight deliveries of the finished meth amphetamines.

Somewhere in the Atlantic ocean is a group of Dolphins totally zonked.

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Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@hotmail.com> writes:

> Lithium batteries can be made to explode. No danger for other types
> of batteries, though.

Never seen a NiCd go into thermal runaway I take it?

A NiCd pack took the tail off a 7[23]7 years aago.

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prep@prep.synonet.com writes:

> Never seen a NiCd go into thermal runaway I take it?

I'm unfamiliar with the mechanics of NiCd batteries.

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> Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> Lithium batteries can be made to explode. No danger for other types
>> of batteries, though.
>
> Never seen a NiCd go into thermal runaway I take it?
>
> A NiCd pack took the tail off a 7[23]7 years aago.
>
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Got a site or other info on this?

As a pilot and a photographer, I'd like to read more about this accident.

Thanks

Jay

 

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On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:18:35 -0700, Jay Beckman wrote:
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>> Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Lithium batteries can be made to explode. No danger for other types
>>> of batteries, though.
>>
>> Never seen a NiCd go into thermal runaway I take it?
>>
>> A NiCd pack took the tail off a 7[23]7 years aago.
>
> Got a site or other info on this?
>
> As a pilot and a photographer, I'd like to read more about this accident.

Air Band Legend? 🙂

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"Jay Beckman" <jnsbeckman@cox.net> writes:

> <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message
> news:87psy9yqky.fsf@prep.synonet.com...
>> Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Lithium batteries can be made to explode. No danger for other types
>>> of batteries, though.
>>
>> Never seen a NiCd go into thermal runaway I take it?
>>
>> A NiCd pack took the tail off a 7[23]7 years aago.
>>
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>> Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd.,
>> +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda.
>> West Australia 6076
>> comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot
>> Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.
>> EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.
>
> Got a site or other info on this?
>
> As a pilot and a photographer, I'd like to read more about this accident.

It was 60s or early 70s. NiCds resistance goes down as temp increases, and
the self discharge goes UP. At a critical temp, the dischare current is
enough to heat the cell enough so the temp continues to increase...

The explosion happened because some one removed a cell to try to fix the
problem of the batteries going flat in short haul ops... I read a reference to
it in the mid 70s, never seen the original report. NY-Florida perhaps, but
no promises on that.


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