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There is a lot of conjecture here.

The reasons could be:
  • Not enough skilled labor in that area for such a high tech factory
  • There is skilled labor but the pay is enough for Asians eventually going back to Taiwan - but not enough for Americans (i.e. cost of living)

 
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noobzilla771 said:
Exactly how much and how many locals have fab experience? Fab process is highly complex and those experienced TSMC workers are needed not only to train Americans properly but also to make sure things run smoothly and become successful. I'm American and I support bringing over these 500 people.
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There are more than enough experienced workers in Arizona. The problem is that TSMC doesn't want to pay enough to hire them away from competitors. So this is purely an effort to drive down wages by importing cheap labor.
 
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PEnns said:
There is a lot of conjecture here.

The reasons could be:
  • Not enough skilled labor in that area for such a high tech factory
  • There is skilled labor but the pay is enough for Asians eventually going back to Taiwan - but not enough for Americans (i.e. cost of living)
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There is plenty of labor in that area. Just not at the price TSMC wants.
Your 2nd bullet is the correct one. The pay is not enough. The whole point of the union's argument is exactly this. They need to pay, more than they want, and are therefore trying to undermine labor prices by importing cheaper labor from another country.
 
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With Asian companies like Foxconn and others that employ child and slave labor setting up shop in the U.S. and importing their labor, it's bad for U.S. labor and the standard of living in the U.S. The Feds should not allow this to happen. You can't import U.S. labor in China so it's IMNHO unwise to import exploited Chinese laborers to U.S. jobs.
 
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If TSMC is not happy about higher pay in America, just imagine how bad it will be when their European Fabs come online. Pay might be lower but in most of Europe I hear they take huge amounts of vacation time compared to Americans.

European guy: "You just got done training me for 9 months and I can now run the equipment. Now its time for my 3 months of vacation. C'ya next year!"
 
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This is why production did disappear from USA originally... Lets see if TSMC gives up the plan and just move somewhere else... It is global competition and well we are losing and have been losing long time.
*sigh*
 
DougMcC said:
There are more than enough experienced workers in Arizona. The problem is that TSMC doesn't want to pay enough to hire them away from competitors. So this is purely an effort to drive down wages by importing cheap labor.
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I agree wholeheartedly with you on this. Intel has 2 different fabs in Phoenix and have been there for decades. Arizona is also a major electronics manufacturing hub for the country due to the climate. Leading distributors like Arrow, Avnet and TTI have large warehouses there. Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrup Grumman and Honeywell have very large footprints there as well. To go along with that, several electronics car manufacturers have based in Phoenix. There is definitely enough skill there. I guarantee that TSMC is only worried about the cost of the labor.
 
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TSMC is motivated to build chip fabs in several locations throughout the world so that they can reduce their risk from a potential war between Mainland China and Taiwan. However, TSMC is not motivated to share their technology with the host countries which would destroy their business advantages. So, TSMC wants to bring in 500 of its own people into Arizona to set up the factory floor and prepare the equipment for use. Allowing Arizona construction workers to do all that work would be tantamount to a complete technology transfer to U.S. corporate rivals. We need the chip fab here to reduce our own risk of being denied access to cutting-edge chips because of a war between Mainland China and Taiwan, but we do not need to acquire the technology as long as it is safely producing chips in the U.S. We have to make a choice that respects TSMC's business interests or TSMC will spread their risk by building fabs entirely in other countries. Furthermore, construction sites in Arizona are filled with scandalous sub-contractors, workers and illegal aliens, regardless of the high-end engineers and techies that might show up every now and then. Arizona construction sites are not secure from spying. It's just not in the system.
 
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ATTA-BOY said:
EB-2 ? that is immigrant visa = employment based green card 2nd category ( https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-th...ment-based-immigration-second-preference-eb-2 ) - that is not a TEMP working visa - that is a permanent residency sponsorship ... why not L-1 ( intracompany transfer = https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-th...-intracompany-transferee-executive-or-manager & https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-th...intracompany-transferee-specialized-knowledge ) ?
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hey thanks, I was curious about that. just didnt take the time to look it up. maybe they want to get 500 of their top employees before taiwan becomes part of the mainland.
 
kep55 said:
Every time I've seen a video of a chip fab, almost all of the work is done by robots or automated machinery. What manual labor the vids have shown seems to be putting the chips into boxes.
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most of the wafer level work is done robotically. robots and manufacturing equipment have to be installed and maintained, though. and the production line is not always smooth. there are always humans recovering tools that have gone into error.
 
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