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I hate theft... but if more tech like this was more common it would help more people. It be at the cost of "profits" for the company that was first but even the most capitalist person has to admit whats best for people is not best for profits.

I still dislike intel for example. But if they disappear cost will go up and innovation may drop more.
 
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Marlin1975 said:
I hate theft... but if more tech like this was more common it would help more people. It be at the cost of "profits" for the company that was first but even the most capitalist person has to admit whats best for people is not best for profits.

I still dislike intel for example. But if they disappear cost will go up and innovation may drop more.
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Your problematic logic of theft is good as long as it benefits me notwithstanding; such technology would not end up in the hands of those who would help the regular man. The highest bidder on the black market for such intellectual property would be the you know who, and them guys don’t have altruistic intentions.
 
Elusive Ruse said:
Your problematic logic of theft is good as long as it benefits me notwithstanding; such technology would not end up in the hands of those who would help the regular man. The highest bidder on the black market for such intellectual property would be the you know who, and them guys don’t have altruistic intentions.
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I dont remember anyone was paid for the wheel invention ... Knowledge should be for free ... it is accumulation of human knowledge built upon each other.
Patent for sure slows down science and development.

More over , only rich people can patent their ideas
 
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Marlin1975 said:
I hate theft... but if more tech like this was more common it would help more people. It be at the cost of "profits" for the company that was first but even the most capitalist person has to admit whats best for people is not best for profits.

I still dislike intel for example. But if they disappear cost will go up and innovation may drop more.
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What would anyone do with tech "like this?" If all the relevant information was published on the internet, it's not like we're going to see people building functional 2nm fabs in their basement. There are very few entities with the financial resources to make use of this technology. Even with the money, you'd still need a large team of highly skilled engineers that probably aren't sitting around looking for a job.
 
call101010 said:
Patent for sure slows down science and development.
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spongiemaster said:
You know what really slows down science and development? No prospects for a positive financial return.
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Why not both?

Patents with reasonable exclusivity periods would:
  1. Promote innovation by guaranteeing a monopoly or protecting revenue streams. (Whether or not the investment into R & D is actually recouped depends on execution and the market.)
  2. Contribute to the progress of society by preventing an indefinite monopoly on an innovation.
 
spongiemaster said:
When it costs billions to develop said knowledge, it is beyond ridiculous to expect anyone to give it away for free without at the very least recouping their investment. You know what really slows down science and development? No prospects for a positive financial return.
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This is why we have tons of new "weight loss drugs" and no new antibiotics. There's much more money to be made on temporary weight loss than curing infections resistant to multiple conventional antibiotics.
 
magbarn said:
This is why we have tons of new "weight loss drugs" and no new antibiotics. There's much more money to be made on temporary weight loss than curing infections resistant to multiple conventional antibiotics.
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Obesity is one of the most expensive conditions for the US medical field to treat. Back in 2016, it was estimated to have cost the industry $260 billion. That's more than anything besides heart conditions and we all know many heart conditions are caused directly by obesity, so even that comes with an asterisk. Americans aren't going to start exercising and eating healthy any time soon even though 73.6% of adults are overweight or obese. What infection is currently adversely affecting the health of 3/4's of the American adult population? By comparison, about 40% of Americans will get cancer during their lifetime. That's what makes the weight loss drugs so prevalent in the industry.
 
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Li Ken-un said:
Why not both?

Patents with reasonable exclusivity periods would:
  1. Promote innovation by guaranteeing a monopoly or protecting revenue streams. (Whether or not the investment into R & D is actually recouped depends on execution and the market.)
  2. Contribute to the progress of society by preventing an indefinite monopoly on an innovation.
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I never said patent didn't slow things down, just that money has a bigger impact.
 
Marlin1975 said:
I hate theft... but if more tech like this was more common it would help more people. .
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Sounds like you're rationalizing theft. "Tech like this" gets developed for one reason and one reason only -- because the hundreds of billions of dollars spent developing it has a strong likelihood of being repaid. IP Theft destroys that incentive, and destroys progress.

magbarn said:
This is why we have tons of new "weight loss drugs" and no new antibiotics. There's much more money to be made on temporary weight loss than curing infections resistant to multiple conventional antibiotics.
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I realize it's fun to believe in conspiracy theories, but in the last 8 years alone, more than a dozen new antibiotics have been developed and approved for use. And while progress has indeed slowed, this is normal for a field as mature as antibiotics, which is now a full century old.

call101010 said:
Patent for sure slows down science and development.
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You have it exactly backwards. Take the Middle Ages, for instance, where knowledge wasn't patentable. Instead, those who developed methods and procedures kept them tightly secret, with knowledge passed on -- if ever -- only from master to apprentice. It was the development of the modern patent system that spurred innovation and led to the Industrial Revolution.

More over , only rich people can patent their ideas
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Now you're just being silly.
 
Li Ken-un said:
Why not both?

Patents with reasonable exclusivity periods would:
  1. Promote innovation by guaranteeing a monopoly or protecting revenue streams. (Whether or not the investment into R & D is actually recouped depends on execution and the market.)
  2. Contribute to the progress of society by preventing an indefinite monopoly on an innovation.
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Actually the patent is a monopoly in itself with exaggerated fees. and try patent your idea globally !
 
spongiemaster said:
When it costs billions to develop said knowledge, it is beyond ridiculous to expect anyone to give it away for free without at the very least recouping their investment. You know what really slows down science and development? No prospects for a positive financial return.
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the devs rely on older "free" tech dont they ? IMO knowledge should be free .
 
call101010 said:
Really ? Go and research how much patents cost. and I mean Global patent ! in each country !
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I don't need to research it; I hold nearly 40 US and EPO patents. It's only expensive if you engage an attorney to write the application and file it for you ... which is helpful, but far from a requirement.

call101010 said:
the devs rely on older "free" tech dont they ? IMO knowledge should be free .
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Medieval thought like this is not only backwards and wrong-headed, but outright dangerous, if implemented into reality. There is no magic tree of knowledge, from which man can freely pick apples. Modern technology took trillions of dollars to develop ... and by far the most efficient system we've created to spur such progress is to compensate those who create it.
 
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