UK Trolls May See Legal Response To Defamation

[nekulturny]

Let me tell you how this goes: Nobody pays you attention, ParrDacc, Kamab, Crush3d, Plasticjesus690, skaughtz, hoof_hearted, longliverock1974, akamrack and me just ignore you because we don't care about some ignorant like you say or write.

This is how evolved people work. We don't care aout what ignorants like you say, because you have nothing to prove your words.

Theres another concern here. Employers check out employees and job applicants online. What if somebody makes a fake facebook site pretending to be you and post defamatory things? Employers check out pictures, your friends, the blogs you post. This could cost someone a job. You can say "only ignorant people take it seriously" all you want, that doesn't make it true.

 

[zetzabre]

Theres another concern here. Employers check out employees and job applicants online. What if somebody makes a fake facebook site pretending to be you and post defamatory things? Employers check out pictures, your friends, the blogs you post. This could cost someone a job. You can say "only ignorant people take it seriously" all you want, that doesn't make it true.

As i said before: "You think i did it, then prove it". Of course, there are some ignorant employers who take online and unproved posts as facts, that's inevitable, but that's a problem we will always have, name it internet posts, forums, facebook, phisical letters, people talking around and things like that. We can't blame the internet or sue everyone just because of a problem we've always had.

The solution is not just suing eveybody and expending money and time tracking people. The solution is not taking rights from everybody. The solution is cheap an simple: "Be smart, judge with proved facts, and not just suppositions". That's how we professionals work.

 

[nekulturny]

My guess is you are fairly young and don't have much experience with employers that do online checks. I hope that you never do.

Its fair to say you don't agree with defamation suits, but as I said already, IT ALREADY IS illegal for people to do such things. Do you really believe someone should be allowed to make a social networking site pretending to be you and deliberately posting things to paint a negative picture of you and leave you with absolutely no legal recourse to do anything about it? Thats a scary world.

 

[zetzabre]

My guess is you are fairly young and don't have much experience with employers that do online checks. I hope that you never do.

Its fair to say you don't agree with defamation suits, but as I said already, IT ALREADY IS illegal for people to do such things. Do you really believe someone should be allowed to make a social networking site pretending to be you and deliberately posting things to paint a negative picture of you and leave you with absolutely no legal recourse to do anything about it? Thats a scary world.

My guess is you don't even know how to guess. Do you understand how ilogicall you are? Guessing, taking unproved comments as facts is what ignorant people do .

Let me tell you something: I have more than 10 years with people working for me, and as their boss, i give them the right advice for judging: Judge with proved facts, not just little and ridiculous comments and posts.

I understansd your point when you say people should not be allowed to make a social networking to a negative picture of you. But the question is: do you know how much time, money and efforts that takes? is it an optimal solution to track ALL those people and sue them? I have a better solution my workers and me practice: Ignore unproved facts, don't pay attention to people who talk and write just because they can. Act like an evolved person and make acts based on knowledge.

You take things from actual law to justify your words, but you forget something: The law is not always right. The law can be unfair, the law can be unethical, the law can be wrong. It happened before, it's happening today and it will surely happen tomorrow.

I'm 35 years old. I don't know if you consider that young, that's relative to each person, but i can tell you something i learned from my experience: young people can be more mature than old people. An inmature and ignorant person lets himself (or herself) be manipulated by the mayority, the law and habits. Mature people analize what we have today and search for better solutions, mature people propose changes to the law and don't practice wrongs acts.

Now tell me: do you consider me as a young man? do you think i'm inmature just because i practice fair acts and not give priority to "the law" because the law is wrong? do you think i'm inmature because i don't follow the mayority when the mayority is wrong?

Let me give you an advice i always practice: criticize yourself, take the fact that you could be wrong as a possibility, think in alternatives to your own solution. That's a good way to grow up and defeat ignorance.

 

[nekulturny]

No, I don't think you're immature, I just happen to disagree with you.

But the question is: do you know how much time, money and efforts that takes?

Quite a bit of man hours, court costs, etc, that doesn't mean it isn't worth doing. Seriously, since when is cost a consideration when deciding whether or not to seek justice? Should we not bother to prosecute shoplifters who steal something less than $100 dollars from a store? Well hell, man, I bet it costs thousands to prosecute an 18 year old kid who shoplifted Eminem's 18 dollar CD from Walmart..... Seriously, is that really a reasonable argument?

I have a better solution my workers and me practice: Ignore unproved facts, don't pay attention to people who talk and write just because they can. Act like an evolved person and make acts based on knowledge.

In this economy, I would argue, one cannot afford to lose a single potential job offer due to someone else's malicious activity.

You take things from actual law to justify your words, but you forget something: The law is not always right. The law can be unfair, the law can be unethical, the law can be wrong. It happened before, it's happening today and it will surely happen tomorrow.

These are all your opinions, if you're going to accuse me of being illogical just because you disagree with me.. That leads me to question whether there is any point in discussing anything with you or even taking anything you say seriously. YOU disagree with the proposed law. Does that make you correct? No it does not. I'm not sure if I'd call that an appeal to authority logical fallacy, or an appeal to self? Yes, I know laws can be unfair, wrong, etc. I don't happen to believe this one is.

If we can't get past that hurdle, then I bid you farewell sir and wish you the best.

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[hetneo]

[citation][nom]asdlkjlk2jlkj2ljl[/nom]Why is this even an issue?Posting a comment should be no different then saying something on the phone, or in a newspaper, or writing something in a book, or any other form of speech. There are already defamation laws on the books, why do we need more?As long as you attack the ideas in an internet reply, you can call them stupid all you want. Just dont attack the author and post false things about them and you are fine. What normal person does this anyway? I never have in the 10s of thousands of posts ive made on the internet...its not hard.... Which is no different then any other form of speech i use.[/citation]
[citation][nom]nekulturny[/nom]It seems to me the biggest abusers of others are the ones who think they should have the right to do so. There already is law in place to show that obviously free speech has limits and consequences. I can't legally walk into a building and yell "FIRE!!!", if there is no fire. And I can't legally put posters up around my neighborhood that somebody is a child molester if its not true. To do such a thing would open me up to both criminal and civil litigation, AS WELL IT OUGHT TO. Why is this so hard to comprehend that the same laws should apply to cyberspace?[/citation]
New law is needed to define procedures and requirements for identification of perpetrators.

[citation][nom]zetzabre[/nom]My guess is you don't even know how to guess. Do y...[/citation]
Herp derp. You are on slippery slope buddy. "Unproven facts"?! Cm'on fact is a fact, it's tautology, always true. You can blabber as much you want about ignorant and immature people, but it doesn't change few simple facts. Firstly people believe in what they hear and read and when facing previously unknown statement are more prone to believe in it than not. Secondly, sometimes your job, freedom and life depend on ability of ignorant and immature people to discern fact from fiction. Thirdly you obviously live in made up perfect world.