Build Advice Upgrade advice for 1080p gaming ?

[LordVile]

But if your card is just 30% faster base then you will most likely not have to go as far as frame generation. Nvidia has no value cards in the price range. The cheapest sku I would get is a 4070 ti Super and they are 700+ dollars. He can get a 7900 XT that is 10%+ faster than that 4070 ti S for less.

Or the 4070Ti or the 4070S which aren’t much slower that the 7900 and invention add DLSS in there perform better and have usable frame generation. You can also use RT if you want to and the cards use less power, making them cheaper over time, have a better resale value and have less issues with drivers.

 

[helper800]

Or the 4070Ti or the 4070S which aren’t much slower that the 7900 and invention add DLSS in there perform better and have usable frame generation. You can also use RT if you want to and the cards use less power, making them cheaper over time, have a better resale value and have less issues with drivers.

the 7900 XT is faster than the 4070 ti S by about 5-10%. FSR is about equivalent to DLSS so they both have access. Frame generation looks atrocious from both companies so that's also a wash. The only argument is to pay more for less performance to gain raytracing performance.

 

[LordVile]

the 7900 XT is faster than the 4070 ti S by about 5-10%. FSR is about equivalent to DLSS so they both have access. Frame generation looks atrocious from both companies so that's also a wash. The only argument is to pay more for less performance to gain raytracing performance.

It’s not equivalent though is it. FSR is a significant drop in quality and at 1080p that makes a difference. Frame gen on nvidia doesn’t look atrocious at this point it’s a “why wouldn’t I turn it on its free performance with no real downside”. AMDs doesn’t look bad either but it comes at the cost of massive input lag making it unusable. You seem to be relying on day one information rather than something more recent.

 

[helper800]

It’s not equivalent though is it. FSR is a significant drop in quality and at 1080p that makes a difference. Frame gen on nvidia doesn’t look atrocious at this point it’s a “why wouldn’t I turn it on its free performance with no real downside”. AMDs doesn’t look bad either but it comes at the cost of massive input lag making it unusable. You seem to be relying on day one information rather than something more recent.

As someone who has used both DLSS and FSR with and without frame gen from both companies, that is my experience and my opinion. Opinions on FSR and DLSS vary. FSR, as others have stated, is slightly worse looking but is nearly impossible to tell unless you look at two screenshots of them in the same scene right next to each other. I am going to leave this topic here, as any more exposition is a wasted endeavor.

 

[LordVile]

As someone who has used both DLSS and FSR with and without frame gen from both companies, that is my experience and my opinion. Opinions on FSR and DLSS vary. FSR, as others have stated, is slightly worse looking but is nearly impossible to tell unless you look at two screenshots of them in the same scene right next to each other. I am going to leave this topic here, as any more exposition is a wasted endeavor.

But at what resolution? As you lower the resolution DLSS is better. Also frame gen is an important factor

 

[helper800]

But at what resolution? As you lower the resolution DLSS is better. Also frame gen is an important factor

1080p to 4k.

 

[LordVile]

1080p to 4k.

Which is irrelevant because the OP is asking about 1080p meaning you’ll be rendering at 720 or less.

 

[helper800]

Which is irrelevant because the OP is asking about 1080p meaning you’ll be rendering at 720 or less.

You misunderstand what I said. I have used FSR and DLSS on native resolutions of 1080p, 1440p, and 4k.

 

[LordVile]

You misunderstand what I said. I have used FSR and DLSS on native resolutions of 1080p, 1440p, and 4k.

If you’re rendering natively at 1080p it’s not the same thing as running DLSS/FSR to get 1080p.

 

[helper800]

If you’re rendering natively at 1080p it’s not the same thing as running DLSS/FSR to get 1080p.

I completely understand the technology. If you are on a 1080p monitor you use a smaller resolution in proportion to 1080p to upscale. The lower the resolution you start with the "worse" the upscaling works. I do not appreciate being quizzed on something I clearly understand, you just do not like my opinion. I am leaving it there.

 

[LordVile]

I completely understand the technology. If you are on a 1080p monitor you use a smaller resolution in proportion to 1080p to upscale. The lower the resolution you start with the "worse" the upscaling works. I do not appreciate being quizzed on something I clearly understand, you just do not like my opinion. I am leaving it there.

You clearly don’t because you’ve taken this long to twig and still aren’t admitting you were wrong

 

[helper800]

You clearly don’t because you’ve taken this long to twig and still aren’t admitting you were wrong

Fine, I will bite. What exactly am I wrong about? Remember, my claim is that FSR and DLSS are close enough to be considered comparable features, and that the OP would be better served with a graphics card that is at least 10% (vs a 4070 ti super), or 25%+ faster (compared to a 4070 super).

 

[LordVile]

Fine, I will bite. What exactly am I wrong about? Remember, my claim is that FSR and DLSS are close enough to be considered comparable features, and that the OP would be better served with a graphics card that is at least 10% (vs a 4070 ti super), or 25%+ faster (compared to a 4070 super).

They are close enough at 4K or 1440 but once you step down to 1080 DLSS is the better option and you can use frame gen that actually works which makes the card significantly faster

 

[helper800]

They are close enough at 4K or 1440 but once you step down to 1080 DLSS is the better option and you can use frame gen that actually works which makes the card significantly faster

That is no fact, but a subjective opinion. Here is my opinion, again; even at 1080p they are close enough in performance and fidelity to call them comparable. Frame gen looks worse than DLSS or FSR to my eye at lower FPS when you would really want to actually turn it on. DLSS is on an absolute scale, better, but that comes with the cost of paying more money for less base rasterization performance with an Nvidia card unless you get a 4090. Anything else?