Question Upgrade advice

[jroot00]

My PC is in need of an update (used for gaming and photo editing), think I built it back in 2017…


Hi! Having signed for for XBOX game pass for PC to play Forza I'm noticing my PC struggling a little and crashing occassionaly during the game. I want to upgrade it a notch and need advice on best way pls.
Currently have:
Ryzen 5 2600
Arctic freeZer e33 cooler
GeForce GTX 1060 6Gb OC GPU
MSI B450 tomahawk mobo
16Gb DDR4 RAM 3000MHz RAM x 2
750W seasonic PSU
Acer nitro monitor (240Hz, 1ms)

Playing Fortnite for example I’m getting:
GPU: 67C, 100%, 1936Mhz,
MEM: 4007 MhZ
~50-60fps.
Everything’s up to date.

looking at spending less than 700 bucks. Thanks

 

[Cpt Snake]

I rebuilt mine for around $700.00 Amazon source.
ASUS TUF Gaming Z590 Plus Gaming Motherboard (ATX, 11th/10th Gen Intel Core, LGA 1200 Socket, DDR4, PCIe 4, CFX, M.2 Slots, USB 3.2 Gen 2, DP/HDMI, Mystic Light
G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin SDRAM (PC4-25600) DDR4 3200
Intel Core i5-10600 (base stroke: 3.30GHz; socket: LGA1200; 65 watt

 

[Why_Me]

My PC is in need of an update (used for gaming and photo editing), think I built it back in 2017…


Hi! Having signed for for XBOX game pass for PC to play Forza I'm noticing my PC struggling a little and crashing occassionaly during the game. I want to upgrade it a notch and need advice on best way pls.
Currently have:
Ryzen 5 2600
GeForce GTX 1060 6Gb OC GPU
MSI B450 tomahawk mobo
16Gb DDR4 RAM 3000MHz RAM x 2
750W seasonic PSU
Acer nitro monitor (240Hz, 1ms)

Playing Fortnite for example I’m getting:
GPU: 67C, 100%, 1936Mhz,
MEM: 4007 MhZ

looking at spending less than 700 bucks. Thanks

5600x + 3600mhz RAM

 

[jroot00]

5600x + 3600mhz RAM

thanks very much! Would it make sense to get just 2x16Gb 3600 ram?

 

[Why_Me]

thanks very much! Would it make sense to get just 2x16Gb 3600 ram?

If it fits your budget otherwise 2x8GB will work.

 

[Vic 40]

Would first start with the cpu and see what improvement that brings.

 

[jroot00]

Would first start with the cpu and see what improvement that brings.

Thanks so much, have now seen that the 5600 is a significant upgrade so will start there. GPU’s are really hard to come by here.

 

[sizzling]

You need to work out why that game crashes now. There is no reason you should expect it to crash. For example it could be a psu issue, you could change cpu, motherboard & RAM and still have issues. I’d try and fix your current system.

Have you tried a fresh install of Windows to rule out a software problem? Have you tried removing the gpu driver with DDU and then installing the latest driver?

 

[Vic 40]

Thanks so much, have now seen that the 5600 is a significant upgrade so will start there.

The 5600X that is, sure you mean it, but the 5600g is there too.

You need to work out why that game crashes now. There is no reason you should expect it to crash.

Think the upgrade is firstly about performance,but it's good to keep an eye on this.

 

[jroot00]

The 5600X that is, sure you mean it, but the 5600g is there too.






Think the upgrade is firstly about performance,but it's good to keep an eye on this.

Thanks, yes I’m not getting crashes (since I overclocked a little, this was only with Forza 5), its FPS dips that were becoming annoying. Some other expenses have popped up so as I can realistically only upgrade 1 component right now it seems best to do the CPU.

 

[Vic 40]

as I can realistically only upgrade 1 component right now it seems best to do the CPU.

Agree.

 

[geofelt]

Fortnite seems to depend on only a couple of fast cores:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fortnite-best-performance-benchmarks,5541-6.html
To assess how good your single thread performance is, run the cpu-Z bench test.
You should score about 424.
Upgrading to a $260 r5-5600x should give you 643:
https://valid.x86.fr/bench/rsf5p1/1
Ryzen depends on fast ram for performance, hence the 3600 speed suggested earlier.
A 2 x 16gb 3600 speed kit will be about $125.

As an alternative, consider the $210 Intel 12th gen i5-12400 processor
It has a better single thread rating of 702:
http://valid.x86.fr/bench/0gt9vb/1
A B660 DDR4 based motherboard will be in the $100-$150 range.
Intel does not depend on ram for performance so you can reuse your current ram.
Here is a review:

Intel Core i5-11400F Review: The New Value Champ

The Core i5-11400F coupled with a B560 motherboard make for an interesting build configuration, as it's significantly cheaper than the Core i5-11600K/Z590 and less than the cost...

www.techspot.com

 

[jroot00]

You need to work out why that game crashes now. There is no reason you should expect it to crash. For example it could be a psu issue, you could change cpu, motherboard & RAM and still have issues. I’d try and fix your current system.

Have you tried a fresh install of Windows to rule out a software problem? Have you tried removing the gpu driver with DDU and then installing the latest driver?

You need to work out why that game crashes now. There is no reason you should expect it to crash. For example it could be a psu issue, you could change cpu, motherboard & RAM and still have issues. I’d try and fix your current system.

Have you tried a fresh install of Windows to rule out a software problem? Have you tried removing the gpu driver with DDU and then installing the latest driver?

Thanks, I did think about a fresh install but haven’t had the time.

 

[Vic 40]

Intel does not depend on ram for performance so you can reuse your current ram.

That is old info and not right anymore.

Anyway, he already has the ram and the motherboard, just a cpu will be fine, the 3000mhz ram won't be that much of a "bottleneck" compared to 3600mhz ram.

One other thing, if you talk about the i5 12400 at least link a 12400 review with it.

 

[geofelt]

That is old info and not right anymore.

Anyway, he already has the ram and the motherboard, just a cpu will be fine, the 3000mhz ram won't be that much of a "bottleneck" compared to 3600mhz ram.

One other thing, if you talk about the i5 12400 at least link a 12400 review with it.

Could you point me to a good ram speed scaling test for current intel processors?
Here is one I found, but it looks like sort of a cursory attempt to me.

Don't waste money chasing RAM speed for gaming on AMD or Intel

Revisiting the question that every gamer considers when building a new gaming system: does RAM speed matter?

www.pcgamer.com

Last I knew, ram speed was only important for the integrated graphics.

And, good catch on the review, I posted the wrong one, the post has been corrected.

 

[Vic 40]

Here is one I found, but it looks like sort of a cursory attempt to me.

Don't waste money chasing RAM speed for gaming on AMD or Intel

Revisiting the question that every gamer considers when building a new gaming system: does RAM speed matter?

www.pcgamer.com

AMD vs Intel,In both same games so you can compare how they stack up against each other and how different speeds help in those games

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU_w9fZvSso

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGux0pANft0

16Gb DDR4 RAM 3000MHz RAM x 2

What ram is this exactly? Looking for partnr, you can look with cpu-z in the spd tab or do the next,

download hwinfo,
install and open it=click run,
close the top window which is the system summary,
in the main window at the left top click "save report",
at the bottom of the next window check "Summary for Clipboard",
after that you'll see what's in the pc,
copy by clicking "copy to clipboard" and rightclick+paste in your next respons

 

[jroot00]

AMD vs Intel,In both same games so you can compare how they stack up against each other and how different speeds help in those games



What ram is this exactly? Looking for partnr, you can look with cpu-z in the spd tab or do the next,

Thanks for replying:

Computer: MSI MS-7C02
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (Pinnacle Ridge, PiR-B2)
3400 MHz (34.00x100.0) @ 2999 MHz (30.00x100.0)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK (MS-7C02)
BIOS: 1.00, 07/02/2018
Chipset: AMD B450 (Low-Power Promontory PROM26.A)
Memory: 16384 MBytes @ 1066 MHz, 15-15-15-36
- 8192 MB PC23900 DDR4 SDRAM - Corsair CMW16GX4M2C3000C15
- 8192 MB PC23900 DDR4 SDRAM - Corsair CMW16GX4M2C3000C15
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB (GP106-400) [ASUS]
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB, 6144 MB GDDR5 SDRAM
Drive: SAMSUNG HD103SJ, 976.8 GB, Serial ATA 3Gb/s
Drive: Samsung SSD 860 QVO 1TB, 976.8 GB, Serial ATA 6Gb/s @ 6Gb/s
Drive: Samsung SSD 860 QVO 1TB, 976.8 GB, Serial ATA 6Gb/s @ 6Gb/s
Drive: Samsung SSD 970 EVO 500GB, 488.4 GB, NVMe
Drive: MSFT XVDD, Disk drive
Drive: MSFT XVDD, Disk drive
Drive: MSFT XVDD, Disk drive
Drive: MSFT XVDD, Disk drive
Drive: MSFT XVDD, Disk drive
Sound: NVIDIA GP106 - High Definition Audio Controller
Sound: AMD Zen - HD Audio Controller
Network: RealTek Semiconductor RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC
OS: Microsoft Windows 11 Home (x64) Build 22000.434

 

[Vic 40]

Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK (MS-7C02)
BIOS: 1.00, 07/02/2018

Oldest bios that this motherboard comes with, you should really update that.

Memory: 16384 MBytes @ 1066 MHz, 15-15-15-36
- 8192 MB PC23900 DDR4 SDRAM - Corsair CMW16GX4M2C3000C15
- 8192 MB PC23900 DDR4 SDRAM - Corsair CMW16GX4M2C3000C15

3000mhz ram, but with CAS15 is not bad, would just leave it in and if you are into it see if you can overclock it.

Drive: MSFT XVDD, Disk drive
Drive: MSFT XVDD, Disk drive
Drive: MSFT XVDD, Disk drive
Drive: MSFT XVDD, Disk drive
Drive: MSFT XVDD, Disk drive

Have seen these before, is some virtual disk, think has to do with XBOX. One link about what it might be and how to get rid of it.
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...al-disks/b1a0dd53-ea82-42f5-8da0-dcd22233df55

other threads you can look through,
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=MSFT+XVDD,+Disk+drive&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

 

[jroot00]

Oldest bios that this motherboard comes with, you should really update that.





3000mhz ram, but with CAS15 is not bad, would just leave it in and if you are into it see if you can overclock it.




Have seen these before, is some virtual disk, think has to do with XBOX. One link about what it might be and how to get rid of it.
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...al-disks/b1a0dd53-ea82-42f5-8da0-dcd22233df55

other threads you can look through,
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=MSFT+XVDD,+Disk+drive&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Thanks- not sure how I missed the bios updating...

We signed up for xbox live recently, will look at the links thanks very much!

 

[Vic 40]

Thanks- not sure how I missed the bios updating...

If you are not sure about the "How To" read the manual,
https://download.msi.com/archive/mnu_exe/mb/E7C02v1.4-GSE-LITE.pdf
if you still have questions i'm here and so are others. Myself prefer the "M-Flash Tool" , is really the best way. Don't use "Live Update".

 

[jroot00]

Updated the bios, PC seems faster already....

 

[Vic 40]

Put ram at rated specs again? In the bios enable A-XMP, see if it wil work that way.

 

[helper800]

Put ram at rated specs again? In the bios enable A-XMP, see if it wil work that way.

I believe it should be called D.O.C.P. for AMD boards.

 

[Vic 40]

I believe it should be called D.O.C.P. for AMD boards.

No, MSI has A-XMP.

 

[helper800]

No, MSI has A-XMP.

What is with the nomenclature surrounding what is considered "XMP" memory profiles? Do certain companies have copyrights on the different names for the same exact profiles?