Upgrade Suggestions on 1150 socket

[alohamasto]

i want to make upgrades on cpu,ram and storage, looking for i7,16gb and ssd

current setup
I5 4670 @3.4
Be Quiet Dark rock 2 cooler
8gb ram 1600mhz
hdd 500gb

400 euro budget .

 

[XxDarkMarioxX]

There is an CORE I7-4790 that will run on the 1150 socket but looking at google the prices are high for them but there be no point off upgrading to that because thats an 3.5ghz!

 

[jacobweaver800]

There is an CORE I7-4790 that will run on the 1150 socket but looking at google the prices are high for them!

What motherboard do you have? Just because a CPU slots into 1150 doesn't mean the motherboard supports it with a BIOS update.

 

[alohamasto]

Gigabyte Z87 HD3

 

[WildCard999]

With a 400 Euro budget there's no need to go with a older socket.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor (£155.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock - B360M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£64.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Kingston - FURY 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (£89.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£62.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £373.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-04 17:39 BST+0100

 

[jacobweaver800]

With a 400 Euro budget there's no need to go with a older socket.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor (£155.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock - B360M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£64.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Kingston - FURY 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (£89.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£62.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £373.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-04 17:39 BST+0100

if you had payed attention, you would have realized the OP wants an I7 not an i5, most likely for the extra threads and higher boost and base clocks, and 16gb's of ram not 8, also you aren't factoring in a GPU which means the op may have a slow older GPU that would be a terrible bottle neck with that type of a system.

(edit) and gaming is fairly popular, and I can assume the OP will be doing some sort of gaming, which means that CPU won't be that good at 2.8ghz and won't overclock, that CPU would get crushed by even a much older i5 or i7, even though it's 6 cores gaming can't really use more than 4 cores anyways, so unless the op wants to do gaming and streaming or something that can take advantage of higher core counts, that CPU would be crushed, even in streaming. The op is better off keeping his current system than this one for gaming. I would recommend you keep the same board, upgrade to 16gb's of memory, a Samsung 860 Evo 256gb would be plenty for an OS and some games and programs, and the 500gb for mass storage, though I recommend you upgrade to a 1 or 2 terabyte HDD at 7.2k RPM's. As for a CPU an i7 4770 or 4770k should work just fine and will beat your i5.

 

[feelinfroggy777]

(edit) and gaming is fairly popular, and I can assume the OP will be doing some sort of gaming, which means that CPU won't be that good at 2.8ghz and won't overclock, that CPU would get crushed by even a much older i5 or i7, even though it's 6 cores gaming can't really use more than 4 cores anyways, so unless the op wants to do gaming and streaming or something that can take advantage of higher core counts, that CPU would be crushed, even in streaming.

Not sure what your talking about here, but the 8400 is a great gaming CPU and will do just as good, if not better than a 4790k. His only real upgrade option is a 4790k and I would only buy one for a good price because the OP can move to a new platform for 400 euro.

So unless you can get a great deal on a used 4790k for less than half of his budget, then I would go with the 8400 and platform upgrade.

 

[WildCard999]

With a 400 Euro budget there's no need to go with a older socket.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor (£155.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock - B360M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£64.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Kingston - FURY 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (£89.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£62.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £373.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-04 17:39 BST+0100

if you had payed attention, you would have realized the OP wants an I7 not an i5, most likely for the extra threads and higher boost and base clocks, and 16gb's of ram not 8, also you aren't factoring in a GPU which means the op may have a slow older GPU that would be a terrible bottle neck with that type of a system.

(edit) and gaming is fairly popular, and I can assume the OP will be doing some sort of gaming, which means that CPU won't be that good at 2.8ghz and won't overclock, that CPU would get crushed by even a much older i5 or i7, even though it's 6 cores gaming can't really use more than 4 cores anyways, so unless the op wants to do gaming and streaming or something that can take advantage of higher core counts, that CPU would be crushed, even in streaming. The op is better off keeping his current system than this one for gaming. I would recommend you keep the same board, upgrade to 16gb's of memory, a Samsung 860 Evo 256gb would be plenty for an OS and some games and programs, and the 500gb for mass storage, though I recommend you upgrade to a 1 or 2 terabyte HDD at 7.2k RPM's. As for a CPU an i7 4770 or 4770k should work just fine and will beat your i5.

It comes down to what they can get a 4770(k)/4790(K) for, even in the US there still quite pricey around $250 used (possibly heavily Oced), that right there is the cost of the 8400 and a budget board. Now if they can get those i7's for cheaper then go for it but I can tell you from some benchmarks that even my 4770K @4.4ghz (1.25V) performance is nearly identical to the 8400 with it beating me on some of the multicore apps. If there concerned about cores and threads then maybe they should consider Ryzen as a option.

 

[Eximo]

Buy this: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA60G78T5618

Take the CPU, put yours in it, re-sell for as much as possible. Even if you only manage $200 you would basically be paying the same amount as you can get just the chip on ebay. But with a 90-day warranty.

 

[jacobweaver800]

(edit) and gaming is fairly popular, and I can assume the OP will be doing some sort of gaming, which means that CPU won't be that good at 2.8ghz and won't overclock, that CPU would get crushed by even a much older i5 or i7, even though it's 6 cores gaming can't really use more than 4 cores anyways, so unless the op wants to do gaming and streaming or something that can take advantage of higher core counts, that CPU would be crushed, even in streaming.

Not sure what your talking about here, but the 8400 is a great gaming CPU and will do just as good, if not better than a 4790k. His only real upgrade option is a 4790k and I would only buy one for a good price because the OP can move to a new platform for 400 euro.

So unless you can get a great deal on a used 4790k for less than half of his budget, then I would go with the 8400 and platform upgrade.

You do realize your trying to get the OP to upgrade to a 2.8ghz CPU, gaming can't take advantage of all 6 cores unless your playing CPU intensive games like GTA 5, in which case it still wouldn't do too good because the CPU still needs to be a reasonable speed, and 2.8ghz just isn't fast enough for gaming these days, even on a 6 core CPU. Yeah it will game, sure, but it may not be much faster for gaming v.s what the OP could get on his socket, and older gen CPU's actually aren't that much slower than modern Intel CPU's, the 8th gen excluded since the upgrade to 6 core CPU's. The point is the op will see a bigger increase with 16gb's of memory V.S 8, a much higher speed Quad core V.s a slow speed 6 core, and a slightly slower speed Sata SSD. I don't see the point in buying a completely new CPU, motherboard, memory, and an M.2 SSD when it won't be that much faster, I would guess around 10-15 FPS faster than the OP's current system in most games, depending on the GPU. Also, we still don't know what the OP is planning to do with this system, if the OP is planning to game, I would push the OP away from that system as I find the CPU would be too slow per core for most modern games, if the OP wan'ts to do things like content creation or CPU core count heavy tasks then I would recommend this system.

 

[WildCard999]

Gigabyte Z87 HD3

Let's make this a bit easier, how much, where you live, does a 4770(k) or 4790(k) cost?

 

[alohamasto]

Gigabyte Z87 HD3

Let's make this a bit easier, how much, where you live, does a 4770(k) or 4790(k) cost?

im in germany . so far ive seen from 180-190 (the locked ones) to 350+ .

 

[WildCard999]

180-190 is reasonable but this is just for the 4790/4770?

 

[alohamasto]

(edit) and gaming is fairly popular, and I can assume the OP will be doing some sort of gaming, which means that CPU won't be that good at 2.8ghz and won't overclock, that CPU would get crushed by even a much older i5 or i7, even though it's 6 cores gaming can't really use more than 4 cores anyways, so unless the op wants to do gaming and streaming or something that can take advantage of higher core counts, that CPU would be crushed, even in streaming.

Not sure what your talking about here, but the 8400 is a great gaming CPU and will do just as good, if not better than a 4790k. His only real upgrade option is a 4790k and I would only buy one for a good price because the OP can move to a new platform for 400 euro.

So unless you can get a great deal on a used 4790k for less than half of his budget, then I would go with the 8400 and platform upgrade.

You do realize your trying to get the OP to upgrade to a 2.8ghz CPU, gaming can't take advantage of all 6 cores unless your playing CPU intensive games like GTA 5, in which case it still wouldn't do too good because the CPU still needs to be a reasonable speed, and 2.8ghz just isn't fast enough for gaming these days, even on a 6 core CPU. Yeah it will game, sure, but it may not be much faster for gaming v.s what the OP could get on his socket, and older gen CPU's actually aren't that much slower than modern Intel CPU's, the 8th gen excluded since the upgrade to 6 core CPU's. The point is the op will see a bigger increase with 16gb's of memory V.S 8, a much higher speed Quad core V.s a slow speed 6 core, and a slightly slower speed Sata SSD. I don't see the point in buying a completely new CPU, motherboard, memory, and an M.2 SSD when it won't be that much faster, I would guess around 10-15 FPS faster than the OP's current system in most games, depending on the GPU. Also, we still don't know what the OP is planning to do with this system, if the OP is planning to game, I would push the OP away from that system as I find the CPU would be too slow per core for most modern games, if the OP wan'ts to do things like content creation or CPU core count heavy tasks then I would recommend this system.

180-190 is reasonable but this is just for the 4790/4770?

yes.

 

[alohamasto]

(edit) and gaming is fairly popular, and I can assume the OP will be doing some sort of gaming, which means that CPU won't be that good at 2.8ghz and won't overclock, that CPU would get crushed by even a much older i5 or i7, even though it's 6 cores gaming can't really use more than 4 cores anyways, so unless the op wants to do gaming and streaming or something that can take advantage of higher core counts, that CPU would be crushed, even in streaming.

Not sure what your talking about here, but the 8400 is a great gaming CPU and will do just as good, if not better than a 4790k. His only real upgrade option is a 4790k and I would only buy one for a good price because the OP can move to a new platform for 400 euro.

So unless you can get a great deal on a used 4790k for less than half of his budget, then I would go with the 8400 and platform upgrade.

You do realize your trying to get the OP to upgrade to a 2.8ghz CPU, gaming can't take advantage of all 6 cores unless your playing CPU intensive games like GTA 5, in which case it still wouldn't do too good because the CPU still needs to be a reasonable speed, and 2.8ghz just isn't fast enough for gaming these days, even on a 6 core CPU. Yeah it will game, sure, but it may not be much faster for gaming v.s what the OP could get on his socket, and older gen CPU's actually aren't that much slower than modern Intel CPU's, the 8th gen excluded since the upgrade to 6 core CPU's. The point is the op will see a bigger increase with 16gb's of memory V.S 8, a much higher speed Quad core V.s a slow speed 6 core, and a slightly slower speed Sata SSD. I don't see the point in buying a completely new CPU, motherboard, memory, and an M.2 SSD when it won't be that much faster, I would guess around 10-15 FPS faster than the OP's current system in most games, depending on the GPU. Also, we still don't know what the OP is planning to do with this system, if the OP is planning to game, I would push the OP away from that system as I find the CPU would be too slow per core for most modern games, if the OP wan'ts to do things like content creation or CPU core count heavy tasks then I would recommend this system.

so the i5 8400 with the stated mainboard and the stock cooler will run only at 2.8 ghz max ?

 

[WildCard999]

Well I suppose you could do something like this.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor (€190.00)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€56.32 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€114.90 @ Caseking)
Total: €361.22
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-04 21:22 CEST+0200



As for the 8400 all cores run at 2.8ghz however a few of the cores will boost to 3.9-4.0 when the performance is needed.

 

[rcald2000]

It'll turbo boost up to 4.0 GHz
https://ark.intel.com/products/126687/Intel-Core-i5-8400-Processor-9M-Cache-up-to-4_00-GHz

 

[jacobweaver800]

It'll turbo boost up to 4.0 GHz
https://ark.intel.com/products/126687/Intel-Core-i5-8400-Processor-9M-Cache-up-to-4_00-GHz

Maybe you don't understand how Turbo Boost works, that will only boost 1, maybe 2, cores to that speed, and only if power and thermals allow it, which may be an issue using the stock cooler or a low end PSU or motherboard. Also, it doesn't have HyperThreading, the OP won't have the 16gb's of ram that was requested, and that M.2 SSD won't make that much of a difference and the OP will be better off with a higher capacity Sata SSD. As for the I7 4790 setup mentioned above, that would work just fine, however the OP did request 16gb's of memory, not 8 so I would change that to a 16gb kit, preferable a 2x8gb kit so you get the advantage of dual channel.

 

[feelinfroggy777]

(edit) and gaming is fairly popular, and I can assume the OP will be doing some sort of gaming, which means that CPU won't be that good at 2.8ghz and won't overclock, that CPU would get crushed by even a much older i5 or i7, even though it's 6 cores gaming can't really use more than 4 cores anyways, so unless the op wants to do gaming and streaming or something that can take advantage of higher core counts, that CPU would be crushed, even in streaming.

Not sure what your talking about here, but the 8400 is a great gaming CPU and will do just as good, if not better than a 4790k. His only real upgrade option is a 4790k and I would only buy one for a good price because the OP can move to a new platform for 400 euro.

So unless you can get a great deal on a used 4790k for less than half of his budget, then I would go with the 8400 and platform upgrade.

You do realize your trying to get the OP to upgrade to a 2.8ghz CPU, gaming can't take advantage of all 6 cores unless your playing CPU intensive games like GTA 5, in which case it still wouldn't do too good because the CPU still needs to be a reasonable speed, and 2.8ghz just isn't fast enough for gaming these days, even on a 6 core CPU. Yeah it will game, sure, but it may not be much faster for gaming v.s what the OP could get on his socket, and older gen CPU's actually aren't that much slower than modern Intel CPU's, the 8th gen excluded since the upgrade to 6 core CPU's. The point is the op will see a bigger increase with 16gb's of memory V.S 8, a much higher speed Quad core V.s a slow speed 6 core, and a slightly slower speed Sata SSD. I don't see the point in buying a completely new CPU, motherboard, memory, and an M.2 SSD when it won't be that much faster, I would guess around 10-15 FPS faster than the OP's current system in most games, depending on the GPU. Also, we still don't know what the OP is planning to do with this system, if the OP is planning to game, I would push the OP away from that system as I find the CPU would be too slow per core for most modern games, if the OP wan'ts to do things like content creation or CPU core count heavy tasks then I would recommend this system.

The 9590 could run 5ghz out of the box and it was an awful CPU. Clockspeed is not that important. These days it is just marketing speak.

The 8400 will not run at 2.8ghz. As long as you don't hit power issues or heat issues (which you wont with the 8400) it will run all cores at 3.8ghz all day long. This is something the 4th gen core CPUs could not do.

I have an 8700k and it has a baseclock of 3.7ghz. But when running in stock configuration, it is running all cores at 4.3ghz.

None of that really matter in the real world, so lets look at some real world performance numbers.

Here is the review of the 2600x which includes the performance from the 8400, 8600k, and 8700k. An average of all the games tested at 1080p, the 8400 was behind the 8700k by 3%. I will repeat that again, the 8400 was behind the best gaming CPU in the world by 3%. The 8400 also cost almost half the price of the 8700k.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_2600X/13.html

By the way, put some line spaces in your post, no one can read them when they are garbled together in one single spaced paragraph.