Upgrading from an i5-4440 - Ryzen 7 1700x or Core i5-8600k?

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Hello,

for Christmas I'm planning to upgrade my PC, the CPU in particular because recently I've been experiencing serious bottlenecks caused by my old i5. First of all, this is my current setup:

CPU: i5-4440
CPU Cooler: Standart Intel Cooler
Motherboard: GIGABYTE B85M-HD3
Memory: Crucial DDR3-1600 Mhz 2x4GB
GPU: Zotac GTX 1060 AMP! Edition

My aim with the upgrade is not only to create a faster PC but also an esthetically pleasing one so it comes at a higher cost but to me it is worth it. My only problem right now is whether I should buy a Ryzen 7 1700X or a Core i5-8600K: I use my PC mainly for gaming but from time to time I use it for heavy workloads as well. Therefore I though that I'd be better off with the 8600K but I'm worried about the fact that I would have to buy another motherboard in a few years when again Intel decides to introduce a whole new chipset. On the other hand AMD promised to keep the socket compatible at least for 2 or 3 years so I consider this the more future-proof option.

I'm not sure about this but after upgrading my PC I am probably going to buy a second monitor with 144hz refresh rate (1080p though) and when I think about this kind of upgrade I'd rather prefer the Intel one because it offers a better single core performance as I also want to play at the highest settings as much as possible.

Additionally I would like to know from you which RAM speed + latency would fit for each of those CPUs as I have heard that especially Ryzen can benefit from higher RAM speed (but RAM is so expensive nowadays -.-).

I would be really happy if you could give me some advices.

Kenta1561
 

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The 8600K Will be ahead in a bit in some games due to it having better single core performance, Also Overclocking 8600k it able to get to 4.5ghz+ easily on a air cooler and will even further widen that gap, where the 1700x if you are lucky, you get 4 or 4.1ghz which is provent o be hard to get on some chips/combos.

If you need all the threads that Ryzen offers, I would look at the 1700, its cheaper than the 1700x and they often get to the same clock speeds if you are into some overclocking. Otherwise just for gaming the 8600k is still going to be slightly ahead. Also the i5 8400 is decent for gaming, but you can not overclock it, and its only ever so slightly ahead of the 1700x in most games, in fact they trade blows more often than not. But it is cheaper.
 

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1. Upgrade your i5 to i7 4790 for $200 and buy 2x8G DDR3 on for $80 on Ebay. Your mobo has only 2 RAM slot. Total cost around 280.
2, Ryzen 7 1700 has more cores, more balance for cost and performance. Longer support AM4.
3. If you have money and wants to push every fps for gaming, I will skip 8600K and go with 8700K.

I think you need GTX1070 to push 144 hz 1080p. I think your 2nd monitor should be 2K 144hz. When on sale, Acer 27" 2K 144hz free sync is around 280 and Dell 27" 2K 144hz Gsync for $350. You can always lower resolution to 1080p from 2K
 

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1. Actually both of these CPU cost the same which is why I was wondering whether I should get the i5 or Ryzen 7.
As for the budget it is quite high at around 1200-1300€ because I want to upgrade my CPU (therefore I must upgrade RAM FROM DDR3 to DDR4, motherboard obviously and my case for better cooling because right now my case has a single 90mm-ish fan slot) which all come at a cost.

2. Germany (I know, 8600k availability is kind of bad rn)

3. I occasionally do video editing and I don't know if that counts but very CPU intensive games for example

4. Be quiet Straight power 10 400W, got it maybe a year ago

 

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@Bob125484

0. Isn't it possible at all to reach 144 fps on a GTX 1060? I mean right now I play at the highest settings in Overwatch and get around 130 so removing the bottleneck would at least give me bit more, wouldn't it?

1. Is that pick future proof? Because it's the same generation as the one that I have right now and I feel like I shouldn't spend 80 dollars on more DDR 3 RAM that I can't even use for future CPUs

2. How is the gaming performance? I'm obviously interested in Ryzen as well but I use my PC mainly for gaming so I was wondering if the Intel one would be more beneficial to me

3. I could buy the 8700k as well but is the value right? If the difference between the i7 and i5 is huge then I might consider buying the better one but I thought the i5 would be sufficient for gaming

4. Wouldn't the screen look blurry if I set a 1440p monitor to 1080p?
 
Since you only do light video editing and heavy gaming, get this assuming you reuse storage and add ssd later on if you don't have yet:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor (€266.59 @ Alza)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler (€36.98 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€169.59 @ Alza)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (€199.90 @ Caseking)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card (€449.90 @ Caseking)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (€49.62 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: Corsair - Vengeance 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (€74.84 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €1247.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-12-20 15:27 CET+0100
 
You can opt for 1070ti if you can spend ~50 more. Don't downscale resolution, may cause all kinds of problems. Sell old parts and get a 1080p/1440p 144hz Gsync monitor. 1070ti will be needed for 1440 p 144 hz.
 

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The 8600K Will be ahead in a bit in some games due to it having better single core performance, Also Overclocking 8600k it able to get to 4.5ghz+ easily on a air cooler and will even further widen that gap, where the 1700x if you are lucky, you get 4 or 4.1ghz which is provent o be hard to get on some chips/combos.

If you need all the threads that Ryzen offers, I would look at the 1700, its cheaper than the 1700x and they often get to the same clock speeds if you are into some overclocking. Otherwise just for gaming the 8600k is still going to be slightly ahead. Also the i5 8400 is decent for gaming, but you can not overclock it, and its only ever so slightly ahead of the 1700x in most games, in fact they trade blows more often than not. But it is cheaper.
 

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0. Download MSI Afterburner or similar software, monitor your usage for CPU/GPU/RAM to see which one is bottleneck your system. I know some games takes more than 8G of RAM to play. If you have less, fps drops.
1. Option 1 is not future proof for sure. It is for limited budget that you can upgrade to make your system better.
2. If your build is for gaming that you want every fps you can get, then Intel is better than Ryzen due to higher clock and more efficient IPC.
3. My Intel choice will be either i5 8400 for value or i7 8700/8700K for best performance. 8700 if I don't want to OC. 8600K is equal to 7700K, see youtube comparison. If you have money, then get 8700K without having to worry upgrade again for 8600K. If you wait for a few more months, price should drop as supply will get better. Intel has added their 2nd assembly for their 8th gen CPU. Price for 8700K is supposed to be only $20 more than 7700K based on what Intel charge for 1K or 10K order to retail store.
4. I don't know so you have to ask the expert in this forum.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/9793/best-cpus
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpus,3986.html
 

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