Question Upgrading from ryzen 2700x to ryzen 5700x or 5700x3d and updating bios

[Jimmer05]

Hello all,

I'm looking to upgrade my ryzen 2700x to a either a 5700x or 5700x3d. I upgraded my gpu to an rtx 3060 last year after my 1060 died, so hoping to eliminate any cpu limited possibilities and general performance boost

On amazon the 5700x is £147 and the 5700x3d is £218. I've heard people speak highly of the x3d chips, though with a 3060 at 1080p 144hz, would the extra £68 be worth it for the x3d? I may upgrade to a better gpu down the line but currently unsure.

My other concern is temps and power usage. Although I have an nh-d15s (ik I shouldn't be worrying,) I'd like a cpu that can run a bit cooler since I use my pc a lot for browsing and low demand tasks when not gaming (often loads of browser tabs across 4 monitors.) I also leave my pc running a lot so lower power usage would be nice.

My MB is an asus strix B450-f. I've heard about some older ryzen cpus loosing support in newer bios versions. Would my 2700x still work if I update the bios and then continue to use it for a bit before upgrading?

Also had an issue on version 3003 with 4 sticks of crucial ballistix rgb 3200mhz ram. Would either one of these cpus be ok with 4 sticks at 3200? My 2700x is stable at 3000 with docp but never managed 3200 (no biggie if not because I bought 2 extra sticks for £30 a while ago.)

Thanks for any help!

 

[Eximo]

The extra cache is useful for some games, really have to look into that. For typical tasks it is a little slower because of the lower clock speeds. However, that does make it more efficient, so the X3D chip runs a little cooler still. That is quite the cooler for either chip.

The BIOS file descriptions will often warn you if you are going to lose support for older chips. Best to update when you have the new CPU in hand regardless.

It is possible the newer CPU will handle the memory better, but there is no guarantees with unmatched memory sticks. They don't often sell quad kits much these days. 2x16GB sticks would be better if you can manage that.

 

[Jimmer05]

The extra cache is useful for some games, really have to look into that. For typical tasks it is a little slower because of the lower clock speeds. However, that does make it more efficient, so the X3D chip runs a little cooler still. That is quite the cooler for either chip.

The BIOS file descriptions will often warn you if you are going to lose support for older chips. Best to update when you have the new CPU in hand regardless.

It is possible the newer CPU will handle the memory better, but there is no guarantees with unmatched memory sticks. They don't often sell quad kits much these days. 2x16GB sticks would be better if you can manage that.

Ok thanks, some of the games i usually play are quite cpu/ single core dependent like modded mincraft or heavily modded Kerbal Space Program. Though at best I probably do gaming for like 40% of the time with my pc, so would the x3d part still be worth it?

The 3d v cache sounds great though the price difference has put me in a dilema . If I went for the 5700x would the difference still be noticable?
So is it worth spending more now and then possbily getting a better gpu down the line? The only thing making me consider the 5700x non 3d is the cheaper price tbh. I'll probably stick with my 3060 until it dies (even though I say I'm gonna upgrade lol.)

I checked my mobos site for the bios versions, there isn't a disclaimer regarding dropping cpu support. Will probably buy whatever I go for, update and swap out like you said. Though would a newer version still bring about better stability for older cpus aswell?

Thanks for the help!

 

[Eximo]

5700X is still a decent processor, about a 30% uplift in performance over the 2700x. The passmark test shows the downside to the X3D chips, lower clock speeds, but it doesn't show real world performance in games and other cache/memory intensive tasks.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compar...X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5700X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5700X3D

Yes, BIOS updates can improve memory compatibility and system stability if they fixed something. BIOS notes will tell you what they fixed or added with each update.

 

[Jimmer05]

5700X is still a decent processor, about a 30% uplift in performance over the 2700x. The passmark test shows the downside to the X3D chips, lower clock speeds, but it doesn't show real world performance in games and other cache/memory intensive tasks.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compar...X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5700X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5700X3D

Yes, BIOS updates can improve memory compatibility and system stability if they fixed something. BIOS notes will tell you what they fixed or added with each

Thanks, I just updated my bios this evening after a couple issues with my usb drive. Still undecided on what one to get since I don't game all the time. Still having second thoughts about the x3d though since I want to futureproof my system in case I get a new GPU, but for me the non v cache one is considerably cheaper.

When gaming would the 5700x3d have a noticable difference in comparison to the non-x3d? I guess the 3d is better for futureproofing in case I get a better GPU, though the non v cache is a bit cheaper (so I can possibly save for a better gpu down the line.) Currently got a 1080p 144hz monitor but would probs get a 1440p if I upgrade my gpu. Honestly still kinda stuck between the 2, though thanks for helping out.

 

[Eximo]

You really need to look at that on a game to game basis. Not all game engines respond to the extra cache, but the ones that do show a massive improvement. Putting the 5700X3D on par with the 14600K, which is essentially two generations newer and even outperforming the regular 7700X from AMD. 7800X3D would be faster, but is also more expensive.

This should help in your decision.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-ryzen-7-5700x3d-cpu-review/2

 

[Jimmer05]

5700X is still a decent processor, about a 30% uplift in performance over the 2700x. The passmark test shows the downside to the X3D chips, lower clock speeds, but it doesn't show real world performance in games and other cache/memory intensive tasks.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compar...X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5700X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5700X3D

Yes, BIOS updates can improve memory compatibility and system stability if they fixed something. BIOS notes will tell you what they fixed or added with each

Ok thanks.

Managed to update my bios. Initially seemed to work with 3200 on my 2700x but then started restarting so I guess its the cpu memory controller thats not allowing my ram to run at full speed.

As for idle temps and low usage which will probably be my pc's main use, would both cpus be similar? I had annoying temp spikes with my 2700x with my nh-d15s and am wondering if the power management for newer ryzens are better.

Will probably bite the bullet and go for the 5700x3d since the 3d v cache should be useful for my use

Thanks!