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Yup. The 8400 are a response to the Ryzen 5, but from a company with gamers in their pockets for the last decade. Because of the brand advantage this means a few things:
1. AMD had to counter with additional value historically. They did this by allowing ALL chips to overclock in the Phenom 2/A* range, when Intel make only K models overclock via Bclk. You can see overclocks on UserBench by strap, but strap is tricky, motherboard specific, and usually for the hardest of hardcore because you essentially overclock your whole PC then under clock everything else to compensate. Come Ryzen, this means that AMD chips that overclock are pitted against Intel chips that don't overclock but both chips being kept stock to give the illusion of the new (Intel) product being faster. It's not as soon as you turn the clock up in BIOS so you should always look at the speed of AMD X models as that's what you will get from non-X models when you take them home and install AMD Overdrive.
If you want your benchmarks to closely approximate a Ryzen chip vs an Intel non-K chip, look at the Ryzen X model vs that chip at least, and remember that your clock can go higher than X stock.
2. The Intel 8600K processor on very good cooling can best a Ryzen 5 by about 20% but at $180 vs $230 isn't that price competitive. A Ryzen 7 1800 will sport more cores and fit in that budget... and will be able to overclock to X speeds as already mentioned.
3. The typical quad core mantra was destroyed by 6 cores as standard being introduced this year, and 8 core games consoles existing for the last half a decade. You WILL experience a performance benefit to more cores, and we will reach the point of quad being entry level in the next 3-5 years. User bench actually shows MC speeds as quad core most of the time.
1. AMD had to counter with additional value historically. They did this by allowing ALL chips to overclock in the Phenom 2/A* range, when Intel make only K models overclock via Bclk. You can see overclocks on UserBench by strap, but strap is tricky, motherboard specific, and usually for the hardest of hardcore because you essentially overclock your whole PC then under clock everything else to compensate. Come Ryzen, this means that AMD chips that overclock are pitted against Intel chips that don't overclock but both chips being kept stock to give the illusion of the new (Intel) product being faster. It's not as soon as you turn the clock up in BIOS so you should always look at the speed of AMD X models as that's what you will get from non-X models when you take them home and install AMD Overdrive.
If you want your benchmarks to closely approximate a Ryzen chip vs an Intel non-K chip, look at the Ryzen X model vs that chip at least, and remember that your clock can go higher than X stock.
2. The Intel 8600K processor on very good cooling can best a Ryzen 5 by about 20% but at $180 vs $230 isn't that price competitive. A Ryzen 7 1800 will sport more cores and fit in that budget... and will be able to overclock to X speeds as already mentioned.
3. The typical quad core mantra was destroyed by 6 cores as standard being introduced this year, and 8 core games consoles existing for the last half a decade. You WILL experience a performance benefit to more cores, and we will reach the point of quad being entry level in the next 3-5 years. User bench actually shows MC speeds as quad core most of the time.
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