'Upgrading' my Celeron 500...

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Bloody hell! That was a royal pain in the arse. There's a 27-PAGE thread about this problem at Nforcershq.com...

But anyway, this (much smaller) thread has the info, more or less..

<A HREF="http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19247&highlight=*242937+exe+win98" target="_new">http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19247&highlight=*242937+exe+win98</A>

Basically it's some sort of windows audio problem. It's a microsoft 'Hotfix' that needs to be installed before Nforce APU will work.

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For memory, I've had really good luck with Apacer PC2700 and Crucial PC2100. I've found that the Apacer runs at 166MHz with the tightest timings w/out a voltage increase. The Crucial PC2100 runs at 166MHz at 2.5-3-3-6-T1. I'm not sure how well these would run in dual-channel though.
 
Thanks markgun and ChipDeath! I really appreciate this. :)

I'm horrified at how technical and useless to the common man the Microsoft article was. **ROFL** Luckily I'm a software engineer and have messed around a bit with things like writing WDM drivers, so I at least had a clue.

But anywho, again, thanks. :) I feel better both understanding what the heck is going on and that it's fixed. :) Time to go forth and:
1) Look at the nForce2 on Win98SE more often.
2) Start helping people whenever they're stuck with the same problem.

Heh heh. I find it funny though that Win98SE was never actually updated to run 24-bit or 32-bit audio formats. (Well, at least until now. I think that's one of the things that the patch fixes.) I know that M$ can be a little short-sighted, but sheesh! Heh heh heh.

"<i>Yeah, if you treat them like equals, it'll only encourage them to think they <b>ARE</b> your equals.</i>" - Thief from <A HREF="http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=030603" target="_new">8-Bit Theater</A>
 
Well, I want to stick with true PC2700 if I can, especially if I end up with 512MB since then I may never have to upgrade the RAM for the life of the system.

I'm hoping that the 'All Components' stuff can actually be set to decent timings. According to a guy who reviewed it, it's actually Spectek, which is a subsidiary of Micron, and so the 'All Components' RAM is actually made from Micron parts, which would be pretty good if true. (Not stunning, but not bad anyway.) It has a lifetime waranty, so that gives me some hope.

Apacer sounds okay too, but after S&H it comes out to be $38 a pop, and at two sticks that's a $12 difference. (It's stunning how much is charged for S&H on some components to make up for the free S&H on others. If you play it right though you can practically get everything shipped for free. Heh heh heh.) Twelve bucks normally wouldn't seem like much, but for this PC it's actually quite a bit.

So anywho, such is life. With any luck prices will drop even a teeny bit more in another month and I'll be able to make a few minor improvements in the qualities of certain parts. I don't want to fight for too much more than $400 though because then it starts to come out of the budget of $1200 for my new PC. :O

I think the real question is once I replace the shared Celeron 500 system with a shiny new PC for me and a clunky (but not too shabby) PC for my wife, what the heck do I do with the Celeron 500 box? He he he he he. Maybe I'll wipe it's drives clean, stick it in the basement, and run it 24/7 as an MP3 server. That or keep it in my PC graveyard in case of an emergency failure. Falling back to a Pentium 133 in case of an emergency doesn't seem so great anymore...

I really should take some pics of my Celeron 500 box though the next time I go to open it up. It's just stunning. I'm amazed that it's survived as long as it has and runs so well still.

"<i>Yeah, if you treat them like equals, it'll only encourage them to think they <b>ARE</b> your equals.</i>" - Thief from <A HREF="http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=030603" target="_new">8-Bit Theater</A>
 
**ROFL** You know, that's really not such a bad idea. Why buy some nifty appliance to do that for you when you have an old PC? :) It could be firewall / MP3 server.

"<i>Yeah, if you treat them like equals, it'll only encourage them to think they <b>ARE</b> your equals.</i>" - Thief from <A HREF="http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=030603" target="_new">8-Bit Theater</A>
 
It probably could be a nice little linux box for something like that. That's what I did with my 233MHz PII till my aunt needed a computer for word processing and e-mail.
 
<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=11-108-273&depa=1" target="_new">http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=11-108-273&depa=1</A>

Discription says beige, but the part number and picture both represent the black unit...and newegg sometimes screws up their discription.

<font color=blue>Watts mean squat if you don't have quality!</font color=blue>
 
The MX440 that I picked out has a 128bit memory interface. I already thought of that. :)
If you are relying on the product description of Newegg, think again. I've seen false description at Newegg with some Daytona Palit cards. VGA Apollo is a similar brand.

You may already have an audio cable in your Celeron 500 rig. This should not be a serious problem.

<A HREF="http://www.cdrlabs.com/reviews/index.php?reviewid=60" target="_new"> LiteOn LTD-163 16x DVD-ROM review</A>

<A HREF="http://www.cdrlabs.com/reviews/index.php?reviewid=170" target="_new"> MSI MS-8216M 16x DVD-ROM review</A>

LiteOn has 4x better DAE performance and 2x better movie DVD read performance (only matters if you want to copy DVD to HDD). The currently available LiteOn DVD-ROM model is newer than the reviewed model, but it should not be inferior.

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You've picked Soltek SL-75MRN-L, are you sure that this mobo has nForce APU? Epox 8RGA+ has nForce APU and costs $99

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Okay, one big mass reply coming...

<b>markgun</b>
It probably could be a nice little linux box for something like that. That's what I did with my 233MHz PII till my aunt needed a computer for word processing and e-mail.
markgun, I might end up giving that a shot. I'm not sure if all of my hardware will have drivers under Linux since some of it is pretty ... cheap. But it can't hurt to try. :) I'd just wipe the drives and reinstall Win98SE on that box anyway, so it couldn't hurt to try Linux first. I've got the install CDs for Mandrake 9 around here somewhere... (And I could always get better if I bothered to take the time to download them.)

<b>Crashman</b>
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=11-108-273&depa=1

Discription says beige, but the part number and picture both represent the black unit...and newegg sometimes screws up their discription
Thanks Crashman. It's $14 more than my current case selection, but hell, it'd be worth it. :) I'll just have to contact Newegg and make sure that it'll really be black. I'd hate to have to spraypaint the case. Heh heh heh.

<b>Spitfire_x86</b>
If you are relying on the product description of Newegg, think again. I've seen false description at Newegg with some Daytona Palit cards. VGA Apollo is a similar brand.
Look Spitfire_x86, newegg lists both a cheaper 64-bit version and a more expensive 128-bit version. Both the detailed specs links and the product links support Newegg's descriptions, as does the price difference. When I say I thought of it, I mean I thought of it. I've made sure. Besides, the new specs don't even include an AGP card anymore at all so by now it's really a moot point anyway.

You've picked Soltek SL-75MRN-L, are you sure that this mobo has nForce APU? Epox 8RGA+ has nForce APU and costs $99
Am I sure that it has the nForce APU? No. Do I care? Not really. Either way it has 5.1 surround sound, and as I've said my wife sure won't care. She'll just be using it to play The Sims at most and only be using two front speakers anyway. So quibbling over possible audio differences isn't really a big deal.

<i>However</i> the passively-cooled northbridge of the Epox would be preferred, so I may go with the Epox for that reason.

LiteOn has 4x better DAE performance and 2x better movie DVD read performance (only matters if you want to copy DVD to HDD). The currently available LiteOn DVD-ROM model is newer than the reviewed model, but it should not be inferior.
Thanks for the links to the reviews, Spitfire_x86. They were pretty good. After reading them I'm definately going to get the MSI player for my wife's PC because it's a lot quieter, has faster seek times, and she most likely won't be doing any ripping so the DAE speeds won't matter.

I might get the Lite-On player for my own system though, because I probably will be doing a lot of ripping. :)

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I've used LiteOn LTD-166 16x DVD-ROM. It's 100% silent, when it plays movies, 'cause it slows down for playback. It's bit loud when you rip movies.

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