US$1300 gaming and general 5 - 7 year build for Last Ride.

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DonkeyOatie

DonkeyOatie

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Last Ride PMed me about their build, and I would rather have this as a full thread for input from others and for future reference.

Here's the conversation so far.

LAST RIDE
i want to asksomething which nearly everyone asks here so i need your precious suggestion advice and help so sorry and thanks in advance ...

Actually i want to build a gaming pc...

what i have in my mind is this...

intel i7-5820k
msi x99s gaming 7 motherboard
corsair vengeance ddr4 ram 2133 please tell me should i use 4x4 (16gb) or 2x8 (16gb)

Ssd samsung 850 pro 256gb....
hard disk WESTERN DIGITAL... 6TB Black caviar

msi gtx 950 twin frozr v 2 gb ...

6tb hard disk i want to use due to having TOO MUCH DATA and for using 6 to 7 years so do not want to change hard disk soon thays why going for big memory please suggest me according to my need... thanks

i do not want any OVERCLOCKING and want my pc to run faster and be durable and be my companion for a long long time period like minimum 6 to 7 years so please guide me and tell me what to add or change etc...
i just want to play good games like gta v, call of duty modern warfare, call of duty 4 and witcher 3 etc please tell me and guide me is my specs ok or should i change and moreover i am very confused regarding Graphics card and RAM please help me and use easy wording so that i can completely understand thanks alot...


MOREOVER SOME SAY GIGABYTE ultradurable series is best and long life some says Msi so please help in that manner as well extremly sorry for such long description and questions...

Moreover my requirememt with those specs is that PC SHOULD RUN SMOOTHLY AND COMFORTABLY atleast atleast 5 to 7 years...

thanks alot

DO

Complicated question.

The i7 5820K comes with a 3.3 Ghz base clock, and 3.6Ghz Turbo Boost and 6 cores 12 threads
The i7 4790K comes with a 4.0 Ghz base clock, and 4.4Ghz Turbo Boost and 4 cores, 8 threads
The i7 6700K comes with a 4.0 Ghz base clock and 4.2 Ghz Turbo Boost and 4 cores, 8 threads

Any one of these chips will game well, but the four core i7s are faster, and gaming uses fewer than four cores almost all the time, and do not use 8 threads. It is 2015, looking back to 2008, 2010 the top CPU was the Nehalem i7 975. The current generation is about 50% faster, and few people are choosing to use this chip.

I would look at this as the lowest budget.

i7 4790K even if you do not want to overclock.
16Gb of 2400Mhz Trident X or other good memory.
Good mid-range motherboard Gigabyte Z97X - Gaming 5
SSD, but 500Gb. Samsung 850 Pro Games are getting bigger.
GPU needs to be great, or you must be prepared to replace it twice in its life. The modern GTX980ti, might last you five years, anything else will not, so get one, or be prepared to buy a GTX 970 and replace it with something newer in about three years as games get more demanding. (GTA VI, GTA VII, Battlefield 5 Witcher 4, Witcher 5.....)
Great 750 to 850W PSU to allow for two GPUs and future power needs.

At the top end, all of the top brands, ASRock, ASUS, Gigabyte, and MSI make good boards with a different feature-set.

What is your budget and where are you buying? Not all products are available in all markets.

LAST RIDE

Thanks for your reply... i had mentioned the purpose of this built may be its not as clear as it should be let me re phrase it that...

i want a pc to last long for minimum 5 to 7 years
uses... gaming GTA V , CALL OF DUTY black ops2,3 call of duty modern warfare 3,4 etc....

watching movies, surfing, running softwares like adobe photoshop some editing as well etc...

more over some personal use... daily use would be 8 to 10 hours minimum...

specs i have in mind are .... intel i7... 5820k now as you say then i will like to go with i7....6700k

mobo... MSI x99s gaming 7 / z170 msi gaming 7

Ram... corsair vengeance 2133 ddr4 2x8gb

cooler.... corsair H100i

PSU... corsair RM 750i

SSD ... Samsung 850 pro 256gb

Hard disk... WD 6TB Black caviar

GPU... MSI Gtx 950 twin frozr v 4gb... i will add another or will change after 3 years

budget is around $ 1200 to maximum $1500

DO

Just a check. So you want to play those games now, and have no plans to play any better games in the next 5 - 7 years? That seems a little strange.

I understood that you wanted a machine to last for 5-7 years, and any good system you get today will run and function that long, BUT it will be seriously obsolete for gaming in 4 to 5 years and may not be able to play the modern titles of 2020 very well, or at all.

Overclocking might buy you another year's performance, and I would strongly recommend that you consider that in the last years of your system's life. You won't need it at the start, and by the end, it will not do any appreciable harm.

To maximize useful life the system needs to be as good as possible to start with, for everything except serious editing and rendering, the four core i7s are better than the six core because they are inherently faster.

If you WANT a 5820K, that's fine. It is a good chip, but from what you have said, an i7 4790K or i7 6700K would be better for you want to do.

If you do not plan to overclock, there is absolutely no need for a H100i, and for the long-life you expect from your system, I would not recommend fluid cooling in any situation.

The GTX 950 will struggle to run GTA V at high resolution and effects today. I would not think of using that GPU in a system intended to last 5 to 7 years.

The RM 750i is an excellent PSU and a good choice for this system, although there may be cheaper options as good.

For additional performance, I would consider an M.2 SSD.

I can put together a 5 -7 year system to your budget and perhaps we can work from there.

 
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No, it will be able to use six cores. If it used six cores, it would not run on a four core computer, which eliminates practically all Intel and many AMD systems. I don't think that is likely.

From: https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/22025/guide-to-can-my-pc-laptop-run-star-citizen-performance-questions

•The Minimum system requirements are: ( Source: "Windows 7 or 8 64-bit, Dual Core CPU (Intel: Core2 Duo 2.4Ghz, AMD: Phenom X2 - However a Quad core is highly recommended) 8GB of RAM, NVidia Geforce 460GTX, AMD Radeon HD5850 (DirectX 11 only)".


•The Recommended system requirements are: i5 2500, i7 2600, 2700 or better with a GTX 670 or greater (DX 11 only).


•For a smooth experience at Maximum settings at 1080p, a R9 290x, GTX 780 (or 970) will be required (a GTX 770/680/R9 280x will likely therefore likely achieve high comfortably). For a decent 4K experience, a pair of mid-high end cards (680/770 7970/280x or better) or a future high end card (GTX 1080 or R9 390x etc) will be required.


http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/requirements/star-citizen/11834

Keep in mind that these requirements are NOT FINAL, and are very likely to change as we move towards final release.


 
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There is a difference between capability and requiring. Certain games are capable of utilizing 6 cores, but that doesn't mean 6 cores are required. The i7-6700k will be plenty, because of hyper threading. I don't see a reason to get an x99 chip/mobo especially since the 7th gen CPUs will also be socket LGA1151. You will also want a good GPU, but that isn't as big of a deal because of SLI and the fact that PCI-e will be still be around for a long time.
 
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but again there is a big difference between threads and cores performace
 
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they are not right because on its offical website it minimum requires a 3770k and 8gb ram and 2gb video card
 
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they are not right because on its offical website it minimum requires a 3770k and 8gb ram and 2gb video card
 
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Only if you cores are saturated,

Rather than compare an i3 with an i5, it is more germane to compare an i5 with an i7. There the difference is much less, and by extension, comparing a 4+4 i7 vs a 6 + 6 i7, the difference should be less, except where six cores are required.
 
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Games which REQUIRE six cores will run on almost no systems; only systems with CPUs with six or more cores, and there are not very many Intel ones, and the AMD ones are not especially powerful. Games will run on Pentiums or i3s because they REQUIRE one or two cores, which those CPUs have. Some few games REQUIRE four threads ( but not four cores) so they will run on an i3, but not a Pentium. Games in the future may well use more than four threads, which will disadvantage i5s to some extent, but REQUIRING 6 cores is a long way from now. Even when games use six threads, a processor with four cores will be able to handle it, although there will be a performance hit.

Software, in general, is written independent of the CPU architecture. The software creates threads and the system on which it runs figures out how to use the resources it has to run the threads required, scheduling these across the real cores, and virtual Hyperthreads.
 
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DO is right here, and I suggest you be quiet before you become even more of a fool. 6 cores is not the same as 6 threads, and a game is developed differently for each. As of now, a 8 THREAD machine is great for 5-7 years. HOWEVER, I would personally suggest the 2011-3 platform, as it costs about the same ATM. That is like saying "no" to a foot-long sub for the same price as a 6-inch sub, if ya know what I mean.

The ddr3 support on skylake is only for lower-end systems (such as mine), and not meant to be used in high end, as the ddr3 should be ran at 1.35v, not the normal 1.5 or 1.65. This means that you will get lower clock speeds, and that isn't too good for a gaming system. Give me a few minutes, and i'll post up a build.

 
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I've got it. One thing I do need to know, is why the 4gb 970 and not the 8gb 390? The extra vram helps in new games, no denying that.
 
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MY suggestion: RaidZ the 3 2tb drives for great speed, and get this:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($369.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.50 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z170A PC MATE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($99.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($91.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Crucial MX200 250GB M.2-2260 Solid State Drive ($85.46 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.40 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.40 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.40 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($308.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($55.80 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1284.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-01 11:10 EST-0500
 
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r9 390 variant allows for better psu:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($369.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.50 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z170-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($101.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($91.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Crucial MX200 250GB M.2-2260 Solid State Drive ($85.46 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.40 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.40 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.40 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Antec HCG M 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.20 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1301.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-01 11:20 EST-0500
 
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And the X99 variant is only 80 more.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($369.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 120V 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme4 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($174.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($91.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Crucial MX200 250GB M.2-2260 Solid State Drive ($85.46 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.40 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.40 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.40 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($308.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($55.80 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1374.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-01 11:33 EST-0500
 
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