USB to PCIe riser extender cards

[jdcranke07]

Are there any USB to PCIe riser extender cards that have USB 3.1 type A/C on them?

Like this, but with USB 3.1 of either type.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HZ0M9F2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A31PZHDAKM5BC7

 

[unksol]

Your question does not make sense. You can't do USB to PCIE. That part you linked is merely using a USB cable for the wiring of a PCIE x1 riser. Has nothing to do with USB or the version.

 

[jdcranke07]

Your question does not make sense. You can't do USB to PCIE. That part you linked is merely using a USB cable for the wiring of a PCIE x1 riser. Has nothing to do with USB or the version.

I'm sorry if it is confusing for you, but my question is asking if there is a version of what I linked that would have USB 3.1 type A or C on it instead of USB 3.0. That is a PCIe x1 to USB to x16 riser extender combination put into card form. Sorry, you didn't understand my initial question.

 

[Rogue Leader]

What are you hoping for, that the USB 3.1 bandwidth will allow it to run faster?

There are none currently that have that, whats your goal here?

 

[jdcranke07]

What are you hoping for, that the USB 3.1 bandwidth will allow it to run faster?

There are none currently that have that, whats your goal here?

I have the appropriate number of PCIe slots on my mobo, seven to be exact, to allow for three GPUs, two raid controllers, a sound card, and a LAN NIC. However, the problem that I am running into is that the GPUs, even with EK water blocks on them still have their I/O taking up two rear PCI mounting slots, thus inhibiting the ability to use two of my other accessory cards if I wanted to use the PCI mounts on the rear of the case. So, I was going to use a couple of the riser extender card I linked to hook up my sound card and maybe a raid controller elsewhere in the case. The reason I ask if there is a version that has USB 3.1 is because I don't need the raid controllers to be mounted to the rear of the case and would need a connection that could handle SSDs in raid 0. As you know the one item I linked would bottleneck their performance being that USB 3.0 only allows for a theoretical max of 640MB/s where as 3.1 has a theoretical max of 1.25GB/s. For SSDs, this would be preferred if it is/was available. Also, I think "hoping for" is the wrong term. I'm inquiring if this is a real thing or not.

 

[unksol]

No it's not. It's a PCIE x1 riser. That's it. There are no USB ports or chipsets involved. At no point is the signal converted to USB or converted at all. All that is doing is using a USB cable as a set of wires, the exact same way a PCIE riser with a ribbon cable would. USB 3 cable vs USB 3.1 cable would make absolutely no difference as the difference is in the USB signaling protocol which could not have anything to do with a product like this. Your bandwidth limit is PCIE X1. Period

 

[jdcranke07]

No it's not. It's a PCIE x1 riser. That's it. There are no USB ports or chipsets involved. At no point is the signal converted to USB or converted at all. All that is doing is using a USB cable as a set of wires, the exact same way a PCIE riser with a ribbon cable would. USB 3 cable vs USB 3.1 cable would make absolutely no difference as the difference is in the USB signaling protocol which could not have anything to do with a product like this.

You obviously have no idea what is going on here. If you actually looked at what I linked, then you would be on the same page unless you just can't understand or are trolling. Please stop commenting since you are useless to this venture and are only causing a headache.

 

[Rogue Leader]

What are you hoping for, that the USB 3.1 bandwidth will allow it to run faster?

There are none currently that have that, whats your goal here?

I have the appropriate number of PCIe slots on my mobo, seven to be exact, to allow for three GPUs, two raid controllers, a sound card, and a LAN NIC. However, the problem that I am running into is that the GPUs, even with EK water blocks on them still have their I/O taking up two rear PCI mounting slots, thus inhibiting the ability to use two of my other accessory cards if I wanted to use the PCI mounts on the rear of the case. So, I was going to use a couple of the riser extender card I linked to hook up my sound card and maybe a raid controller elsewhere in the case. The reason I ask if there is a version that has USB 3.1 is because I don't need the raid controllers to be mounted to the rear of the case and would need a connection that could handle SSDs in raid 0. As you know the one item I linked would bottleneck their performance being that USB 3.0 only allows for a theoretical max of 640MB/s where as 3.1 has a theoretical max of 1.25GB/s. For SSDs, this would be preferred if it is/was available. Also, I think "hoping for" is the wrong term. I'm inquiring if this is a real thing or not.

Ah ok, makes a lot of sense, unfortunately I've never seen one using a faster long connection. Also unsokol is right, all it is doing is using a USB cable for the connection, there actually shouldn't be a bandwidth limit as ther eis no USB chipset involved.

Why don't you use this:

https://smile.amazon.com/PCI-E-Express-Riser-Flexible-Cable/dp/B0054CIL46/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1465789905&sr=8-2&keywords=pcie+x1+riser

I realize it limits your flexibility of mounting location, but at least there will be no speed loss, even theoretically.

 

[unksol]

Look at what you are looking at. It is a PCIE x1 tab. With NO USB chip. It uses USB as a cable. That's it. There is no bandwidth limit related to USB because USB signaling IS NOT USED. AT. ALL. USB 3.1 does not apply it's just a cable. It would make no difference. It's limited to PCIE X1 bandwidth. Period. You can stick a 3.1 cable in if you want. It's just wires. This is not that hard to get.

 

[jdcranke07]

Look at what you are looking at. It is a PCIE x1 tab. With NO USB chip. It uses USB as a cable. That's it. There is no bandwidth limit related to USB because USB signaling IS NOT USED. AT. ALL. USB 3.1 does not apply it's just a cable. It would make no difference. It's limited to PCIE X1 bandwidth. Period. You can stick a 3.1 cable in if you want. It's just wires. This is not that hard to get.

By your logic you can hook an DisplayPort 1.1 into a DisplayPort 1.2 and still get 60fps at 4K UHD. Same controller for both since it's in the same monitor. However, we know this isn't true since there is a difference in between the two cables. Same goes for PCIe and USB and HDMI and so forth. If the PCIe connection is able to push 985MB/s and it has a USB 3.0 port x2 and USB 3.0 cable connecting them, then that limits the connection to 640MB/s max. Hence the bottleneck. You cannot run more than 640MB/s through a USB 3.0 cable at all. Just sit down before you hurt yourself and move on from this thread since you are no help whatsoever.

 

[jdcranke07]

What are you hoping for, that the USB 3.1 bandwidth will allow it to run faster?

There are none currently that have that, whats your goal here?

I have the appropriate number of PCIe slots on my mobo, seven to be exact, to allow for three GPUs, two raid controllers, a sound card, and a LAN NIC. However, the problem that I am running into is that the GPUs, even with EK water blocks on them still have their I/O taking up two rear PCI mounting slots, thus inhibiting the ability to use two of my other accessory cards if I wanted to use the PCI mounts on the rear of the case. So, I was going to use a couple of the riser extender card I linked to hook up my sound card and maybe a raid controller elsewhere in the case. The reason I ask if there is a version that has USB 3.1 is because I don't need the raid controllers to be mounted to the rear of the case and would need a connection that could handle SSDs in raid 0. As you know the one item I linked would bottleneck their performance being that USB 3.0 only allows for a theoretical max of 640MB/s where as 3.1 has a theoretical max of 1.25GB/s. For SSDs, this would be preferred if it is/was available. Also, I think "hoping for" is the wrong term. I'm inquiring if this is a real thing or not.

Ah ok, makes a lot of sense, unfortunately I've never seen one using a faster long connection. Also unsokol is right, all it is doing is using a USB cable for the connection, there actually shouldn't be a bandwidth limit as ther eis no USB chipset involved.

Why don't you use this:

https://smile.amazon.com/PCI-E-Express-Riser-Flexible-Cable/dp/B0054CIL46/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1465789905&sr=8-2&keywords=pcie+x1+riser

I realize it limits your flexibility of mounting location, but at least there will be no speed loss, even theoretically.

Yeah, I'm also slightly concerned about the overall looks since this is a custom build. But, then again, I might be able to bite the bullet on some things for the sake of function.

 

[Rogue Leader]

Displayport and USB are vastly different. USB cables are just wires there are no chips in them, and yes of course there are differences in cables (ie 3.0 has more conductors than 2.0), but in the case of this interface its simply using a USB 3.0 cable because it has 9 conductors in it to be able to transport the PCIex1 signal.

Theoretically there should be no performance limit, and in fact that USB 3.0 unit should work identically to the one I posted, it just uses the 9 conductor USB cable to make it longer (and if someone wanted to go even further they would need to use a longer USB 3.0 cable)

 

[jdcranke07]

Displayport and USB are vastly different. USB cables are just wires there are no chips in them, and yes of course there are differences in cables (ie 3.0 has more conductors than 2.0), but in the case of this interface its simply using a USB 3.0 cable because it has 9 conductors in it to be able to transport the PCIex1 signal.

Theoretically there should be no performance limit, and in fact that USB 3.0 unit should work identically to the one I posted, it just uses the 9 conductor USB cable to make it longer (and if someone wanted to go even further they would need to use a longer USB 3.0 cable)

Thanks for helping out, Rogue.