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In article <7e761144.0404221834.5e9017b8@posting.google.com>,
pcsguy@bellsouth.net (TechGeek) wrote:
> "Robert M." <rmarkoff@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:<rmarkoff-C0411B.09131022042004@news04.east.earthlink.net>...
> > In article <7e761144.0404220530.10eeccfb@posting.google.com>,
> > pcsguy@bellsouth.net (TechGeek) wrote:
> >
> > > But your complaint is like driving 5-10 MpH over the speed limit.
> > > Everyone does it, the police usualy don't enforce it too much with
> > > that, but they CAN stop you and write you a ticket for it.
> >
> > You may be right there, but everyone assumes its 10 mph, and the valid
> > reason for that is the imprecision of car speedometers.
> >
>
> But the police can still write you a ticket if you're doing 1 MpH over
> the limit.
They don't because they won't get a conviction if its contested as their
equipment isn't that precise.
>
> > >
> > > Honestly, I do not know what 'flags' your account for them to look
> > > into it for abuse, if it's a % of talk vs. data, or if it's a flat out
> > > KB thresh hold, average KB usage per day, amount of data transferred
> > > in one session, but something is there. I haven't seen a huge outcry
> > > in my stores over this, so I don't think it's anything that most
> > > casual users would get hit on (occasional email, little browsing
> > > etc..).
> >
> > Most casual users don't user their phone as a modem.
> >
>
> I'm talking about casual data users, the people who use it to just
> check email while on the road etc..
A tiny minority of SprintPCS users
>
> > >
> > > I honestly think they're mainly going after the abusers with this,
> >
> > I think you are 100% right, but they encourage abuse by having the
> > wink-wink policy of never going after casual users.
> >
> >
> Because the casual users are most likely causing as much congestion on
> the data stream as the people accessing the web though their phones,
> thus not creating a huge issue, but when people start downloading
> gigabytes on a month, then that's a bit more. I've seen numbers of
> users, and these people tell me what they do (connect to a laptop, use
> the SPrint PDA phone, use the Sprint phone) and trust me, even people
> who think they're heavy users don't use that much.
Fine, where is the dividing line? It's a SECRET.
>
>
> >
> > > the
> > > people running FTP servers over the PCS connection, constantly running
> > > streaming video / music, etc. It is killing the bandwidth and is
> > > rather unfair to the people who get the correct equipment and plans
> > > (the PCMCIA cards & data only plans) that are getting cheated out with
> > > this (like voice, there is a limit to the data stream over the
> > > network).
> > >
> > > If you really want to have the wireless internet connection, and will
> > > be a heave user of it, just get the card and data only plan and you'll
> > > have nohting to worry about.
> >
> >
> > But then we agree that
> >
> > - the TOS policy is not always enforced
> >
> True, they're going after the people who are abusing it and
> exponentially increasing the data traffic. Casual users use about the
> same, or less, then most people (who use the data services regularly)
> who use their phones the legal way.
>
> > - The fact that its not enforced is a secret
> >
> You can rob a store, and if you have a clean record, you'll most
> likely get slapped on the wrist. What about a second? Third? How
> many literal get out of jail free cards will the judge hand you? That
> isn't open.
>
> People have done it and nothing is said, I think that's enough to say
> that it isn't as enforced as they'd like it to be, and if they didn't
> put up this disclaimer in the ToS, then there would be a lot more
> abuse.
***You only encourage abuse by not enforcing a policy. If you can't or
won't enforce a policy, don't have it.****
Or have a policy that says For $5 a month you can use your phone a modem
for upto 100 Meg a month. That way nothing changes except more money for
SprintPCS and eliminating a policy thats not enforced.
Or is the truth that you can't easily track data useage, and action is
only taken when a network gets congested???
>
>
> > - The break point where it is enforced is a secret
> >
> Because it's still variable. It's not just total kilobytes of
> downloads, it's talk vs. data ratio, it's session lengths, it's total
> KB per session, it's the account itself, it's how much is being
> reuqested in each session.
>
>
> >
> > And I am not complaining, just stating the situation, which apparently
> > we agree on.
> >
> > I have **NEVER** used a phone as a modem, but do agree some folks have a
> > leg to stand on when they complain that Sprint on the one hand will sell
> > a connection kit, and then say you can't use it.
>
> Sprint only sold the kits for a month or two, and then were asked not
> to sell them and return them to the warehouse, PLUS, those kits were
> for syncing your phonebook etc, NOT for connecting them to the web
> (I'm not talking about the 2G web connection kits, either). Sprint
> *never* promoted this with
SORRY - maybe you didn't but we've had ample posts from people who said
thats exactly what was done, and long after your 2 month period.
From: MacGuy (MacGuy.iprnn@invalid.com)
Original FormatNewsgroups: alt.cellular.sprintpcs
Date: 2003-02-11 17:30:14 PST
But the new vision TOS was released (14 days?) AFTER the unlimited
vision plans. Sprint continued to market the kits for a while after
that.
Originally sprint sold vision and the connection kits as part of their
new wireless roll out. They promoted the use of a phone with the laptop
connection. I signed up and bought the new phone and the kit. The
Sprint store had sold me on the fact I could connect up my laptop.
>the only exception being the PCMCIA cards.
>
> Also,
>
> This enforcement does NOT include the people on data only plans with
> the PCMCIA cards, nor does it include the 2G wireless web connection
> kits.
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