Question Using the ID Cooling SE 214 XT for a Ryzen 7 5800X ?

[punkncat]

Very basic budget system on an A520 motherboard. I'm updating upgrading from a Ryzen 5 3600 to a
Ryzen 7 5800X due to the INSANE price it was up for. The case has some very basic fixed RGB fans 3x (120) and the motherboard has no RGB header. From what I can tell online the ID Cooling unit seems to perform in a similar ballpark to the CM Hyper 212 and the real topper being the IDC unit is on sale for $15.

This CPU will be used mostly for playing and possibly recording SIMS game, and perhaps some video editing of content from that same game. Currently paired with a GTX 1080 with a future plan of upgrading that to something like the 7600 XT level of GPU, mostly for Free Sync in relation to the monitor being used (1080/75)

It certainly doesn't need to be stated that there are better cooler options, but for $15 as opposed to the Wraith Stealth, this should do a workable job for this use case, or no? Only testing I can find in a quick search is reviewing on a 5600X and/or foreign language, so figured I would ask of personal experience.

 

[triplex1]

YVery basic budget system on an A520 motherboard. Updating from the R5 3600 to the R7 5800X due to the INSANE price it was up for. The case has some very basic fixed RGB fans 3x (120) and the motherboard has no RGB header. From what I can tell online the ID Cooling unit seems to perform in a similar ballpark to the CM Hyper 212 and the real topper being the IDC unit is on sale for $15.

This CPU will be used mostly for playing and possibly recording SIMS game, and perhaps some video editing of content from that same game. Currently paired with a GTX 1080 with a future plan of upgrading that to something like the 7600 XT level of GPU, mostly for Free Sync in relation to the monitor being used (1080/75)

It certainly doesn't need to be stated that there are better cooler options, but for $15 as opposed to the Wraith Stealth, this should do a workable job for this use case, or no? Only testing I can find in a quick search is reviewing on a 5600X and/or foreign language, so figured I would ask of personal experience.

You will have a problem with the 5800X , the Cooler Master Hyper 212 is a better cooler.

 

[CountMike]

5800x does not come with OEM cooler as it would be woefully inadequate, Air coolers like CM hyper 212 or in it's class not much better if you want to enable that CPU's full performance. For that top notch air cooler is needed, not some piss-ant 15 bucks 120mm cooler.
Take a look at this one
https://www.arctic.de/en/Freezer-36-Series
It's a minimum I would go for and not much more expensive. It should be quite enough considering that A520 MB wouldn't be able to supply full power to it.
Until recently, I had 5800x on a x470 MB and it took360 AIO cooler to keep it in check but on full performance.

 

[triplex1]

If you could get a 5700x and not the 5800x you would be quieter with any cooling

 

[thestryker]

The cheapest I can think of which might do the job is the Thermalright Burst Assassin since it has 6 heatpipes. You'd be a lot better off stretching the budget for a two fan model or dual tower cooler.

 

[punkncat]

If you could get a 5700x and not the 5800x you would be quieter with any cooling

The 5800X was $122 which just happened to be well less than the 5700X and a few dollars less than the 5600X. I had not envisioned using this CPU for this build as it is mostly unsuitable, as related above, as the motherboard isn't going to have proper power delivery. Just the same, even if I knee cap it a little bit, it is still going to be great perf to price.

 

[punkncat]

The cheapest I can think of which might do the job is the Thermalright Burst Assassin since it has 6 heatpipes. You'd be a lot better off stretching the budget for a two fan model or dual tower cooler.

I was looking at that one (Burst Assassin) as well. I don't care for the fact that it is all nickel. No copper even for the contact part of the heat pipes.
I have a box slap full of 120mm fans so just as long as they are nice enough to include the other retention bracket, I am probably going to slap an extra fan on there anyway and make this one into a push pull config. The single fan shows a 150W TDP cooling ability and the dual fan shows 180W. Since this case already has the mentioned 3x120 configuration which are molex only, noise isn't a concern so long as it doesn't actually burst into flame (lol).

I also plan to place one fan right in the top blowing down to get some cooling on the VRM since the current Wraith is providing that as a downdraft.

For $15 and other considerations, I am going to give it a try. If it doesn't work, I will seek other options. I appreciate the comments.

 

[triplex1]

The 5800X was $122 which just happened to be well less than the 5700X and a few dollars less than the 5600X. I had not envisioned using this CPU for this build as it is mostly unsuitable, as related above, as the motherboard isn't going to have proper power delivery. Just the same, even if I knee cap it a little bit, it is still going to be great perf to price.

In my signature, on the pc2 I have the 5700x together with Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO and with the PBO enabled I have seen it reach 140 watts and a maximum of 77-80C degrees, but here we are talking about a cooler that costs much more than 15 dollars you want to give, well the issue is what you pay for you get.
We are talking about the same processor with a difference of 1%, but if you know how to work with it, it is much better than the 5800x and colder

 

[triplex1]

The single fan shows a 150W TDP cooling ability and the dual fan shows 180W.

you need more than 200 watts

 

[punkncat]

you need more than 200 watts

AMD themselves recommend 150 on a rating of 105. I am not doubting you, just saying. I have no doubt this could turn out to be a limiting factor for the CPU but for its foreseeable use case (and the fact that the cooler will be here today) I am going to try it and see.

Worst comes to worse I will spend some time and money that could have been spent up front returning it and trying some other budget option a little further up the ladder.

Being fair, my biggest current concern isn't whether this system is really suitable for the Ryzen 7, but whether or not Microsoft is going to pull their silly crap and invalidate the activation due to a hardware change. This has now happened to me twice in a very short time frame....A new license will, for sure, cause me pause to move forward with the new part as it will cost about half or more of the base system at time of purchase.

 

[triplex1]

If I were in your position with the 5800x, I would put this on

Peerless Assassin 120 SE – Thermalright

www.thermalright.com

 

[triplex1]

AMD themselves recommend 150 on a rating of 105. I am not doubting you, just saying. I have no doubt this could turn out to be a limiting factor for the CPU but for its foreseeable use case (and the fact that the cooler will be here today) I am going to try it and see.

Worst comes to worse I will spend some time and money that could have been spent up front returning it and trying some other budget option a little further up the ladder.

Being fair, my biggest current concern isn't whether this system is really suitable for the Ryzen 7, but whether or not Microsoft is going to pull their silly crap and invalidate the activation due to a hardware change. This has now happened to me twice in a very short time frame....A new license will, for sure, cause me pause to move forward with the new part as it will cost about half or more of the base system at time of purchase.

I'll see if I can send you a screenshot let's see what AMD says

 

[triplex1]

the best thing to do is to use a second fan to keep it as low as possible

 

[CountMike]

AMD themselves recommend 150 on a rating of 105. I am not doubting you, just saying. I have no doubt this could turn out to be a limiting factor for the CPU but for its foreseeable use case (and the fact that the cooler will be here today) I am going to try it and see.

Worst comes to worse I will spend some time and money that could have been spent up front returning it and trying some other budget option a little further up the ladder.

Being fair, my biggest current concern isn't whether this system is really suitable for the Ryzen 7, but whether or not Microsoft is going to pull their silly crap and invalidate the activation due to a hardware change. This has now happened to me twice in a very short time frame....A new license will, for sure, cause me pause to move forward with the new part as it will cost about half or more of the base system at time of purchase.

HW change means only MB, nothing else. Even that could be bypassed by activating with MS account. Windows 10 and 11 use same account activation .
In BIOS you can set ECO mode which limits 5800x to 65W electrical power and keeps it cooler too.

 

[punkncat]

HW change means only MB, nothing else. Even that could be bypassed by activating with MS account. Windows 10 and 11 use same account activation .
In BIOS you can set ECO mode which limits 5800x to 65W electrical power and keeps it cooler too.

My concern comes out of some recent happenings both with PC I own and/or administer as well as some other folks I chat with here on the forum. Most recently, one of mine which I had rebuilt out of left over parts from upgrading and finished out with an i3 placeholder. I found an i5 and installed that, everything was fine for about a month and the system just went de-activated. Long story short the key was invalid, the system was no longer listed under my Microsoft acct. and directly contacting MS themselves to see what was up was fruitless.

This was on a retail key purchased out of Newegg and they simply did not care.


I will have the PC these parts are going in over the weekend so I can perform the task. In the interest of comparison I will try to run comparative temp tests with a few simple baseline benchmarks and post them.

 

[punkncat]

Update:

Got the parts in, got the PC apart and back together. As a couple of you pointed out, the cooler with one fan on isn't sufficient under a synthetic load. I ran a couple of games including Tomb Raider, Ashes of the Singularity, CP77 and everything went fine temperature wise. Heaven Benchmark was a bit surprising in that when I turn off V-Sync it starts glitching at about the "floating ship" scene. Temps don't reflect anything too high in Afterburner. The little benchmark test in CPU-Z does fine on bench. Swapping that over to stress testing shows the temp slowly increase.

I am going to mount a rear fan on the cooler and one on the top of the case blowing over the VRM. I suspect there is a heat issue there given this CPU in an A520 platform with the boards power delivery and no longer having a downdraft cooler. I will post back up about that aspect.

 

[punkncat]

I ended up adding (4) fans to the system. This Lancool case came with the three 120mm fans mentioned above. They are Molex connector only type, fixed RGB fans. Originally, it comes with two mounted in the front and one at the rear position. I moved all three of those to the front grill section of the case. I added two NZXT 120mm, one to the back of the cooler, the other at the rear case mount. Two other 140mm NZXT fans installed in the top of the case. The one on the back of the cooler is run to a case fan header to follow CPU temp, and the other three are wired to a fan hub. The motherboard these are on has that "fantastic tuning" thing which I ran for it to develop its own fan curve.

After having done this, all of the games mentioned above run fine with GPU/CPU temps never exceeding the low 70* mark with V Sync on and the system running 60 FPS. I utilize an older AOC 1080/60 monitor for checks and upgrades/builds so it is a bit difficult to get a clear picture of what it will do with higher framerate play. The monitor this will be on is only 75hz where I doubt that will cause any significant increase in temps.
CPU-Z little bench test shows the CPU is running slightly better than the base mark for a 5800X. With the addition of these fans, it will now run on the stress test for a long period without going over 84*.

All in all, where I would not recommend to anyone to build up an A520 with a 5800X alongside a bargain basement cooler, I would call this upgrade a success so far. I originally built this system for ~$350. After swapping out the original 970 with a 1080 that I already had on hand, and alongside this update I am still only in the system for ~$485. With that said I already had the 1080, already had the supplemental storage drives, and a box full of good fans. Keeping with the 'thrifty' theme on this build my opinion is that the cooler was a worthwhile addition alongside the sale price Ryzen 7.

YMMV

 

[triplex1]

Take a hub and throw everything up there, are there from thermalright , Arctic

 

[triplex1]

Thermalright 1To10 FAN-RGB HUB-Controller