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In <TdWdndprmoaRcy7cRVn-qA@comcast.com> on Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:29:28 -0600,
Bob Horvath <usenet@horvath.com> wrote:

>John Navas wrote:
>>
>> In <XumdnRSS7qQuFi_cRVn-tw@comcast.com> on Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:17:29 -0600,
>> Bob Horvath <usenet@horvath.com> wrote:
>>
>>>John Navas wrote:
>>
>>>>The handset must also support ENS for ENS to work.
>>>
>>>The subject of this thread is v551.
>>
>> 1. I was responding to material that wasn't specific to the V551:
>>
>> "Sounds like all SIMs sent out after 11/15 should have them..."
>
>If you read that entire page, it talked about both the SIMs and the v551.

Again, I was responding to material that wasn't specific to the V551.
You responded to me, not the entire page.

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In <covt6p$hh0@library2.airnews.net> on Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:06:38 -0600, Jer
<gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:

>M. D. Borca wrote:

>> The 64k sims say "SmartChip" on them and will even say 64k on them,
>> mine does.
>
>My Cingular V551 also has "SmartChip" and 64K imprinted on the label
>side of the SIM. As to whether the V551 itself is ENS compliant, I am
>clueless. If I knew what the ENS acronym meant, I might could Google up
>something.

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=cingular+ens

ENS stands for Enhanced Network Services, which extends GSM by making it
possible for the handset to effectively treat two different networks (ATTWS
and Cingular) as one combined Home network, so that the other network can be
selected even when the real Home network has a usable signal. (Without ENS,
the handset will only select the other network when the real Home network
doesn't have a usable signal, even when the other network has a better signal
or when the real Home network has run out of capacity.)

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John Navas wrote:

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> In <covt6p$hh0@library2.airnews.net> on Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:06:38 -0600, Jer
> <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:
>
>
>>M. D. Borca wrote:
>
>
>>>The 64k sims say "SmartChip" on them and will even say 64k on them,
>>>mine does.
>>
>>My Cingular V551 also has "SmartChip" and 64K imprinted on the label
>>side of the SIM. As to whether the V551 itself is ENS compliant, I am
>>clueless. If I knew what the ENS acronym meant, I might could Google up
>>something.
>
>
> http://www.google.com/search?as_q=cingular+ens
>
> ENS stands for Enhanced Network Services, which extends GSM by making it
> possible for the handset to effectively treat two different networks (ATTWS
> and Cingular) as one combined Home network, so that the other network can be
> selected even when the real Home network has a usable signal. (Without ENS,
> the handset will only select the other network when the real Home network
> doesn't have a usable signal, even when the other network has a better signal
> or when the real Home network has run out of capacity.)
>


The answer I got from my Cingular buddy today was exactly the same,
except for the nit pick of "Enhanced Network /Selection/"

So, I'm happy to know that the new Moto V551 comes from Cingular with a
64K SIM, has xxxxxAB firmware, and is ENS compliant. I'm all set.

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On 2004-12-06, John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> http://www.google.com/search?as_q=cingular+ens
>
> ENS stands for Enhanced Network Services, which extends GSM by making it
> possible for the handset to effectively treat two different networks (ATTWS
> and Cingular) as one combined Home network, so that the other network can be
> selected even when the real Home network has a usable signal. (Without ENS,
> the handset will only select the other network when the real Home network
> doesn't have a usable signal, even when the other network has a better signal
> or when the real Home network has run out of capacity.)

ok, so practically speaking, is there really a difference between the older
and newer SIMs.

I got my v551 on Nov 22. This discussion got me to look at the SIM I was
given. I have a 32K SIM. The phone was purchased from a Cingular owned
store. Should I go back and complain? If so, what am I complaining about?
Just that I got an old SIM, or can I give a legitimate reason for wanting
the new one? Will it make a difference? The fact is, my phone works well.
I haven't had any connectivity problems. But I've only been in my home
area since I've gotten it. I do travel quite a bit normally, but no travel
is in my immediate future to test it before my 30 days are up. I'm not
about to complain for no reason. I have better things to do with my time
than run back and forth to a Cingular store. But if it will make a
difference when I'm on the road, I don't want to be stuck later on.

Thanks.

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In <9z9td.40133$Uf.23956@twister.nyroc.rr.com> on Tue, 07 Dec 2004 03:36:37
GMT, Larry Moss <moss@airigami.com> wrote:

>On 2004-12-06, John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> http://www.google.com/search?as_q=cingular+ens
>>
>> ENS stands for Enhanced Network Services, which extends GSM by making it
>> possible for the handset to effectively treat two different networks (ATTWS
>> and Cingular) as one combined Home network, so that the other network can be
>> selected even when the real Home network has a usable signal. (Without ENS,
>> the handset will only select the other network when the real Home network
>> doesn't have a usable signal, even when the other network has a better signal
>> or when the real Home network has run out of capacity.)
>
>ok, so practically speaking, is there really a difference between the older
>and newer SIMs.

Like with so many other things, it all depends, not only on your
circumstances, but also on who you ask. For one perspective, see
<http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/492681-1.html>.

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On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:00:16 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> said in
alt.cellular.cingular:

>So, I'm happy to know that the new Moto V551 comes from Cingular with a
>64K SIM

Actually it doesn't. Cingular ships phones and SIMs separately but,
as someone else said, since about 11/15 (I didn't note down the exact
date) they've been shipping 64k SIMs. But a dealer (or company store
employee) with a large stock of 32k SIMs might have sold ENS phones
with 32k SIMs until he used up his stock.

 

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Al Klein wrote:

> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:00:16 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> said in
> alt.cellular.cingular:
>
>
>>So, I'm happy to know that the new Moto V551 comes from Cingular with a
>>64K SIM
>
>
> Actually it doesn't. Cingular ships phones and SIMs separately but,
> as someone else said, since about 11/15 (I didn't note down the exact
> date) they've been shipping 64k SIMs. But a dealer (or company store
> employee) with a large stock of 32k SIMs might have sold ENS phones
> with 32k SIMs until he used up his stock.


I recall when I stopped by the Cingular store to pick it up, the clerk
did swap the SIM - so presumably, this was an in-store effort to do the
right thing. Oh, and it *is* equipped with the subsidy lock, which may
have been applied at the same time, but I don't care.

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>Oh, and it *is* equipped with the subsidy lock, which may
>have been applied at the same time, but I don't care.

The subsidy lock is applied at the factory by the manufacturer.

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John S. wrote:

>>Oh, and it *is* equipped with the subsidy lock, which may
>>have been applied at the same time, but I don't care.
>
>
> The subsidy lock is applied at the factory by the manufacturer.
>


I really have no clue how a subsidy lock is accomplished, so I suppose
that's the typical methodlogy, is there no way this can be done in the
field, given the necessary equipment is at hand? The reason I ask is if
the subsidy lock can be removed in the field, it seems reasonable to
presume it can also be applied in the field.

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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:08:04 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> said in
alt.cellular.cingular:

>I really have no clue how a subsidy lock is accomplished, so I suppose
>that's the typical methodlogy, is there no way this can be done in the
>field, given the necessary equipment is at hand? The reason I ask is if
>the subsidy lock can be removed in the field, it seems reasonable to
>presume it can also be applied in the field.

It can, but most stores don't have the necessary equipment.

 

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The V551 I bought on the 10th at the old ATT wireless store, now
Cingular, came with a 64KB SIM.

Don't know if it is unlocked or not.


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>Don't know if it is unlocked or not.

If it came from an AT&T store it is locked.

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