VESA Adds Adaptive-Sync to DisplayPort 1.2a Standard

[beachbod]

I dont know how anyone could be anti AMD.

 

[somebodyspecial]

this is a year off, where as nvidia's "hardware" solution is already on the market.

Incorrect.
AMD's solution was already available for some time, it was simply never used.
AMD uses existing hardware and only has to provide driver support to include the function... Nvidia's solution requires new hardware chip that does the same thing and is proprietary (which monitor manufacturers have to agree to use - and that seems unlikely since AMD's solution does the same thing with far less cost).

Can you name a desktop monitor that supports it, and for that matter name a scaler that can properly handle the jobs (which is why NV did it themselves)? It's only in LAPTOPS, which is why AMD chose a laptop for the demo. How will they get around latency? NV added a cache for a reason. They didn't just drop cache on a card to make it expensive.

I'll take the best solution even if it's from AMD. I like them, hence the speech about all of you needing to ask them to CHARGE for stuff so they can remain competitive. I love free stuff too, until it drives my favorite companies out of business. People mistake the posts for anti-AMD. That is wrong. They are weaker than all of their competitors because people like you enjoy free or cheap stuff. They have lost $6Billion in 10yrs and have never made a dime if you add up the life of the company. At some point don't you think they should make some cash so they can afford to do some R&D? AMD fans seem to miss the point of these posts. They need to make MONEY!

Start reading some balance sheets. You are driving them out of business with "they should give it to me free" mentality.

 

[somebodyspecial]

A big win! I can picture AMD holding Nvidia around the neck, lifting them off the ground and punching them in the face.

The truth will probably be nVidia dropping the licence fee to reduce cost. The nVidia tech is superior to FreeSync, that sadly, however, means nothing to consumers. Especially consumers who think 128K audio is as good as Hi-Fi.

Exactly. MS will do the same by paying game devs if mantle ever looks promising (but Valve/Google/NV will get it done with OpenGL anyway). Both companies can bleed until AMD is bankrupt if they ever get either tech off the ground. Amazon/Google are attempting to do the same to MS & Apple. It is working on both. A simple check of apple shares this last 12 months shows this and so does 21% share lost on notebooks (to chrome). MS already being forced WAY down on mobile OS pricing. Both Amazon/Google have models that don't need a dime from hardware or software (ads for google fund everything, content+goods do everything to support amazon). A hardware or OS maker will have a tough time against people who can give the OS/Hardware away at ZERO profit forever (assuming you can't take out their cash cows).

People seem to be missing the brutal reality of business and how a big company can destroy even a GREAT idea with cash bribes, market share, disruptive tech, and threats etc. If you have that good of an idea and they've got the money, they just buy you to kill you these days.

 

[somebodyspecial]

This will be VESA standard for display port. Adaptation will be very wide while gsync will be very expensive and requiring agreement each time between manufacturer and nvidia.

It is an optional feature. If manufacture want to implement it, they need to make a scaler chip so the GPU to drive the V-blank interval.

And this takes time+R&D funds, which is why NV just gave up and did it themselves. As of a the freesync announcement according to NV they STILL haven't done their scaler jobs yet. We'll see if AMD can prod them into doing it now. But I'll be shocked if they give that R&D away at the same cost. Your monitor price will go up until it's recovered. The scaler people will charge the monitor people for their chip R&D. The monitor people will charge us. Free usually isn't free. NV did what the scaler people will have to do also and it won't be FREE. It also probably won't be as good.

AMD isn't giving away anything here. They did nothing but submit a request for something to be added to the standard that was already well known on laptops/eDP and NOT on all of them (kind of like apple patenting rounded corners we already had). Did they come up with ANYTHING here (a driver to work with it, but that's it, everyone has to do that)? No. They are now hoping scaler people will foot the bill to complete the solution, but they know that won't happen. It's kind of misleading saying this is FREE. But for them at least, people will think they had nothing to do with the price hike of the monitors (good business I guess...LOL...where it gets pinned on NV for actually solving it alone when they had no choice). Neither side really has a choice if they want to fix the issue properly (full solution), but there will be a price on either side and as always, WE have to pay it. The companies just pass it on. For the scaler people to do it right they will probably have to add cache also (again not free). I doubt they will just give away 768MB to do away with lag to help AMD call it FREEsync. Anyone thinking a FULL solution is free doesn't understand the problem here. A 2/3 solution will be what (without cache I guess) like $20 cheaper? If the scaler people fail to comply, AMD will have to do it themselves like NV no matter what monitors do. AMD won't do THAT work for free. Will we rename it moneysync if that happens?...LOL.

http://techreport.com/news/25878/nvidia-responds-to-amd-free-sync-demo
"Both have said that the biggest challenge to widespread adoption of the tech on the desktop is support among panel (and scaler ASIC) makers."

"My sense is that AMD will likely work with the existing scaler ASIC makers and monitor makers, attempting to persuade them to support dynamic refresh rates in their hardware."

Nvidia apparently failed to persuade them, but with gsync out maybe AMD will have better luck as his last paragraph in that link suggests. People have seen this tech now and want it, so maybe scaler makers will step up and profit from it. If they're hurting in this economy, or bean counters tell them it won't make them a dime they'll blow AMD off too.

Also, you still need a monitor+vid card if you're not on the latest vid cards already. I am one of those. I need BOTH, no matter which tech I choose and a cable too in AMD's case. To be fair NV needs a cable here also if they adopt it I guess. Monitor makers will be forced to get that label on their monitor, but scaler makers have no such obligation.

 

[Johan Kryger Haglert]

We really need a 3rd player in this market to keep things (prices and tech) honest.

Heard of Intel?

 

[ubercake]

We really need a 3rd player in this market to keep things (prices and tech) honest.

Heard of Intel?

Yes. But they don't even compete when it comes to gaming GPUs. They just don't. Not yet anyhow.

They definitely don't dictate GPU prices.

 

[Johan Kryger Haglert]

We really need a 3rd player in this market to keep things (prices and tech) honest.

Heard of Intel?

Yes. But they don't even compete when it comes to gaming GPUs. They just don't. Not yet anyhow.

They definitely don't dictate GPU prices.

Not at the high-end gaming end at least.

But what I meant was that there's no reason why they couldn't implement support for Adaptive-Sync too. So then it would at least be two out of free having support for it.

And it's not like G-sync have a large market grip so far.