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Definition:An expert is someone widely recognized as a reliable source of or skill whose faculty for judging or deciding rightly, justly, or wisely is accorded authority and status by their peers or the public in a specific well-distinguished domain.

I got a stickied national thread where I've managed the ideal build for 1 and a half year, and I have on numerous occasions corrected both Tomshardware and Arstechnica in their selections. In other words, I'm a hunch above professional tech sites in competence for "build planning". Is expert not a covering word, you'd say?

And unlike those promises built on hot air, I've already provided my CV through the build right above. The one who put a minus clearly got no idea whatsoever about computer components. If there is some real criticism, I'd be more than happy to discuss it. :)
 
IMHO, the SBM articles are often useful precisely because they almost always contain shortcomings that become apparent in their benchmarks. I'm sure I can think of at least a dozen regulars here who I'd trust to come up with a competent build at any given price point; I'd like to include myself in that list. We'd probably niggle each others' (and our own!) builds half to death, but in the end, any of them would suit their intended purposes, with real differences probably visible only in benchmarks; none of them would contain any glaring deficiencies. While I am not about to make any claim that you are not our peer, I think you would do well to not suggest you are our better.
 
[citation][nom]kazuha vinland[/nom]Proof of above:Case: Thermaltake V9Motherboard: MSI 870A-G54Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 955Graphics: Zotac GeForce GTX 460Memory: OCZ Black Edition 1600MHz CL8 4GBHard Drive: Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TBBurner: Sony Optiarc AD-7261-SPower Supply: OCZ ModXStream 600W ModularCombo 1Combo 2Combo 3Standalone 1Standalone 2Cost: 590 USD (saved 160 dollars on rabates & combos)Here you got a build with USB3 and SATA3, a fast quad core, a slightly overclocked GTX 460 which will play most games exceptionally well on 1920x1080, fast RAM, the fastest 7200RPM drive, a modular PSU and a sexy case that has granted great reviews. Beat that, Tomshardware. ;-)[/citation]

I doubt the 460 will play half of the latest games at the highest settings @ full HD. It is widely known that a single 460 is already inadequate in general to handle that load, sli is what makes it so potent. And that board cannot do sli. So yeah, for that price it's good value, but will give average gaming performance.
You know for an expert, you're not so hot.
 
That would miss the point. There are too many variables, and how they should be weighted makes too much difference. For example, I'd probably use an i5, because a benchmark that is important to me is power usage. Others could not care less. If you look at http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=144 those two CPUs trade swats, but really how big are the differences in real-world use? What about overclocking, a highly variable influence?
We're all too varied, and the term "expert" is too one-dimensional. There are kids on here who have never earned a paycheck and have no clue what "TCO" means; but they would smoke my tail in an overclocking contest. Others might rattle off detailed specs of the last two or three generations of GPUs, but may not know the difference another CPU core makes to someone actually seated at the machine. RAID is another whole can of wrigglies, and the list goes on.
 
@ Ksampanna: Being underestimated brings a grin to my face, don't worry. 😀

An analysis of SLi and Crossfire would tell you that depsite offering higher framerate count, there evolve significant spikes between exceptional highs (great scaling) and lethargic lows thanks to issues with syncing and lag. It's called microstuttering. Trusting the FPS score blindly can provide dire results in worst case scenarios using a dual card configuration. Not only does a similar score with a single card provide a smoother playability, but in the problematic titles even a higher score would suffer of bieffects you by no means fancy, rest assured.

Further weak links can be related to:
- Need power supplies with 4 PCIe connections. These are way expensive, and while you can wire one of the cards on the normal rail, it's not recommendable.
- Demands a motherboard with support for SLi. Most budget LGA1556 boards only offer a x16/x4 configuration, whereas budget AMD 8xx boards features 8x/8x solutions. None are ideal, although the latter is not too bad, but point and case is that these cost more once again. Seen in the light of the remaining weak links, is it worth it?
- More audible / hotter / energy craving than one card.
- Occupies more PCIe slots.
- Potential problems occur if one of your cards go RMA, and you can't get a supported replacement due to the model being discounted.
- Performance loss in games that do not scale.

Whether these happens, or the degree in which it happens, varies according to the rest of your rig. As for the GTX 460, I agree with that the games should preferably run at a higher FPS count than the update frequency of your monitor, most commonly 60FPS (if you look aside from the 120Hz brand-new monitors). Do mind though that 30FPS also brings a completely playable smooth image. Everything in between is an okay. In GTX 460's case, you can check out for yourself whether the cards apply to that through Tomshardware's own round-up. They bench the 1GB version, but it's not all that different since the Zotac card referred to is initially overclocked. 3-5 FPS at most, with reservation in that new drivers will nullify and even improve on top of these scores. If you tweak the graphics settings, with anti alaising among other factors, you can boost your score significantly, and even an old 9800GTX would be able to hold up pretty well in many modern (though not most) games.

Building with value is making the compromises as small as possible. There might be a very few cases where you have to moderately adjust the settings for the GTX 460 to perform adequately (in the sense you yourself notice lag), yet that's a whole lot better than spending 180$ more on something with the ruling flaws as discussed. For your information, Metro 2033 can strangle most SLi configurations even with flagship cards. Seeing things in perspective and setting a limit just above what's casual gaming, is all but insignificant.

Yes, I'm teasing, but I do happen to know my stuff. 😍

@ jtt283: Meh, thanks to the onboard IMC/GPU on package, the idle draw of the i5 650 is not any better than that of the i5 760. It's alright that the power draw is higher on the latter, since that draw will only be utilized when there actually is a demand for it. The 650 not great unless you're running a passive cooled low-profile cooler, but then again you could undervoltage the i5 760 if you truly want to. =/ For most people, the gap in power draw will not really affect their decision at all.
 
I was comparing the i5 to the AMD 955. See what I mean though? Even the slightest difference in point-of-view alters the perception of value. The point being, all the little technical details you are citing are things that are subsumed in the backs of our minds as we create builds, or pick them apart. Your attempts to sound "better" than the rest of us comes across as condescending.
 
You do not have to be an ace of all commonworth. For me, this is my game. It is what I do best, and I have acclaimed distinctive confidence in what I do by leading a voluntary business on top of it over an extended period.

If you really are so hysterical about power draw, then get a Mac Mini. That the rig I posted above is not a HTPC, should be obvious to pretty much everyone that has built a computer. It could be, if the genius case "Fractal Design Define R3" was released in the US. Unfortunately it's not. Anyway, that it pulls 30W more under load (even less under idle) is not a deal breaker for the vast, vast majority - no matter how you look at it. Heck, just going for a less super efficient graphics card would break your golden ratio of a model then. Not to mention a PSU that is not Silver or Gold rated. You can't just pull forth one component as all deciding in that matter, while leaving the rest untouched. Then you are looking for an overall extremely high efficiency machine, and would build a rig revolving pretty much around it and much less about power. In all modesty, the build I posted is decently efficient. Ideally so for an allrounder.

Edit: And Jesus, whoever votes my replies down completely lacks the balls to express himself properly. If my advice is wrong, which it's not, then you should argue against it. Just leaving a thumb down makes you appear clueless, whoever you are.
 
I voted some of your comments down. Not being clueless, but I do lack balls as I'm a female. :) I was thumbing down your pompous attitude. Also, jtt283 worded things so well, there hasn't been much more to contribute.

Here are a few thoughts, though. That build you listed is nice. I wouldn't use all the parts you did, though, for a variety of reasons. Doesn't mean I'm better than you at builds, just means your build, nice as it is, doesn't work for me and my needs. As others said, when it comes to builds, there can be a lot of nitpicking and many superficial reasons some think one build is better than another. There are countless possible quality builds out there. Plenty of people around this site create excellent builds. I've seen nothing in your posts that puts you above them. Are they all experts?

It's great that you're good at builds, but as your own quoted definition of "expert" states, others will decide if you're one. Give out your knowledge without the attitude and the rest of us might listen. 😉
 
These are the actual prices I paid for all of the parts in my computer (recent build).

955 Black - $165 (ZipZoomFly)
Asrock M3A770DE MB - $64 (Amazon)
4GB OCZ Black 1600MHz 8-8-8-24 - $78 (NewEgg)
Sapphire HD 4870 - $80 (eBay)
PC Power and Cooling 600 Watt - $68 (eBay)
Seagate Barracuda 500GB - $82 (Walmart - LOL)
Antec 300 - $46 (Employee discount, can't tell u where though)
3X 120mm Case Fan - $12 (Employee discount, can't tell u where though)
LG DVD Burner - $25 (Micro Center)

Other than the hard drive from walmart I bought all my parts as cheap as possible. The motherboard is super cheap compaired to what others buy but it overclocks quite well. I KNOW for sure most people would be hard pressed to get a system like mine for the price I paid...

Total Price: $620
(It would have been cheaper if I didn't buy that hard drive from walmart)
 
[citation][nom]jhansonxi[/nom]My gaming system doesn't use Windows. You're also assuming that builders are going to actually buy Windows instead of using the widely available OEM ISOs and SLP/VLK hacks. Then there are those XP holdouts... I still think it was best not to include the OS in the prices (and ISP services as well).[/citation]

might as well break into a computer store and get the high-end sh!t for free!!!!

"here... take this low-budget i7 extreme with tri-sli'd gpus rig!... I win!"
 

What if it was a facade to gather attention around the build? Thumbing down the rig post will only delude people into thinking it's a bad build. Hence such a reaction would be airbitrary and capricious. Thankfully two people have given thumbs up to back it up again.

Since of course, male or female, I'm very much interested in which specific areas the build is lacking? If I could improve it while remaining somewhat in the same price course, I would be inclined to do so. That's part of my professionalism... as an expert. :lol: (although the combo offers are over now - once again proof of that you need updates on the fly for getting the best deals)

I also have a super budget build for 430$ sporting a AMD tricore and a HD 4870, available for those interested. :)
 
[citation][nom]kazuha vinland[/nom]What if it was a facade to gather attention around the build? Thumbing down the rig post will only delude people into thinking it's a bad build. Hence such a reaction would be airbitrary and capricious. Thankfully two people have given thumbs up to back it up again.Since of course, male or female, I'm very much interested in which specific areas the build is lacking? If I could improve it while remaining somewhat in the same price course, I would be inclined to do so. That's part of my professionalism... as an expert. (although the combo offers are over now - once again proof of that you need updates on the fly for getting the best deals)I also have a super budget build for 430$ sporting a AMD tricore and a HD 4870, available for those interested.[/citation]

You missed my point. Your attitude was the problem, not the build you offered. Good luck to you.
 
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