Wait, now I DO see a reason to go Intel

kinney · Apr 1, 2004

Actually, P4man quit posting factual information some time ago and is now resorting to only insults.
As far as those who support him, I'm ignoring them to concentrate soley on Bob (P4).
As far as omid, that is an opinion. He isnt my favorite either. I was using him to display a point, not back a case up.. i think you know the difference.

Nothings been dragged here, you have tainted my new cpu thread and that p*sses me off.
I dont see what this thread had ANYTHING to do with p4man.. but what the f*ck ever.

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kinney · Apr 1, 2004

Ive decided that like you, I can drop a Prescott in later.

But the difference in my method is that the 2.4A is cheap enough (cheaper than your 2.8C) that once they get the Prescott even better (I feel the 2.4 is already good) I can replace it feeling and knowing full well that I only paid $140.

So we have the same philosophy, I'm just saving around $50 (new pricing of course)

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Snorkius · Apr 1, 2004

pauvre, pauvre kinney...

His thread has been tainted by evil liberal views. Why whatever shall he do?

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P4Man · Apr 1, 2004

Okay, I'll bite.

>He claimed Omid said a ethnic slur against him, and then he
>has his own problems with known asian posters that dont
>speak proper English

I have a problem with posters that post gazillions of posts typically not longer than a single line of ununderstandable english not even trying to make themselves understood, that are too lazy to even use quote tags or ">" marks, making it extremely hard to read, and that not even ONCE tried to use URL tags. I was also not aware he was Asian, I thought (and still think) he is either French or Canadian. So much for "ethnic slur".

>If you honestly think his lack of answers and defeat in the
>Other forum was in any way a "win" you've got to be
>kidding.

My apologies to those who read this and are not interested in politics or Kinney's personal vendetta's, but if some of you are interested, feel free to make up your own mind, and go <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=59292#59292" target="_new"> here </A>
Its a mighty long thread about homosexuality in which Kinney claimed it was unnatural and therefore automatically unacceptable. After the reply I linked to, he bailed out claiming to have no time, but instead continued the discussion (if it can be called that) through dozens of PMs for some odd reason.

edit: if you have time to spare, you may quickly glance over the rest of the thread as well, and decide for yourselve who is the one resorting to insults, and how this relates to Kinneys claim of me being a hypocrite.

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Snorkius · Apr 1, 2004

Don't try so hard...

He is your mental inferior with a huge superiority complex. About as much point arguing with kinney as trying to convice Osama to convert to Christianity.

Yes, he's fun to play with, but no reason to get worked-up.

Btw, before this degenerates into a shat slinging contest, the 2.4E, if it keeps it's 3Ghz+ promise looks like a really good deal. Especially if you don't care about heat.

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kinney · Apr 1, 2004

My God you are immature.

This is a CPU forum.

So what? I dont agree that homosexuality is OK.
You have personal interest in that arena because your brother is a homosexual. You were never going to give in.
The reason we went to PMs because I wanted YOU to answer to me without people like that absolutely stupid Snorkius from butting in.
He has nothing to ever add that means anything.
I'll admit I'd rather debate with you than him and people like him were who I was cutting out of the picture.

People can check <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=63765#63765" target="_new">this thread</A> to see you get crushed on your stance on the war on terror.

I'm not going to be stupid and drag this on anymore.
Either talk CPUs or let it go, this thread had nothing to do with you.

I'm not going to let you and those who agree with you get the best of me anymore.

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P4Man · Apr 1, 2004

My reply wasnt as much targetted to Kinney as to anyone else happening to read it. While I have no intentions of replying to each and every of his smearing posts, his personal vendetta against me is getting sort of ironic; I guess its an antagonistic reaction to his own posts a few months ago where he wanted to elect me Forum President and called me "that mighty Belgian", and now I am truly the dumbest poster on this forum and a weak, spineless loser

As always with Kinney, if its not black, its white, and things tend to flip flop from one extreme to other quite rapidly. But I think I'd rather be black in his opinion than white anyway, so its fine by me.

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P4Man · Apr 1, 2004

Oh really ? Thats why you bring up my name usually in combination with a few insults and baseless accusations in just about any post in this CPU forum, even in threads I did not even participate in ? And you call me a hypocrite ?

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kinney · Apr 2, 2004

Well, I agree with your CPU views but you have an absolutely disgusting social view and I just cant support that...

but thats for the OTHER forum.

That 'darko' guy brought you up here, not me.

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kinney · Apr 2, 2004

In Michigan, if you see an old, rusty, beatup, unmaintained car driving around, chances are it's an Oldsmobile. The OLDS 350 was a FAR superior engine to the Chevy 350, little things like the milled 7 bolt rocker cover rail meant no oil leaks, and GM dropped it only because the Chevy was cheaper to produce. In fact GM made several attempts to cheapen the Olds block before discontinuing it.

Oh thank God I have this to respond too. I cant even respond to one more political thread or insult or I think I'll puke.

The 350 olds motor was good. In fact that motor GM converted to diesel.
It was heavy built.
But would NOT run with Chevy 327 let alone a 350.
They discontined probably in late 70's. GM ended up putting 350 Chevys in Oldsmobiles, even got sued over it. That says it all, I think.

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darko21 · Apr 2, 2004

Re: That 'darko' guy brought you up here, not me.

Negative....

You posted the below comment (before my first post) trying to drag p4man into an argument where he would have to defend the un popular via. Looks to me like you were trying to entice p4man into an argument where you had a tactical advantage no wonder they call you the forum warrior.

The world politics started because P4man posted there and he likes VIA because they are anti-American, and his discrimination against Asians who don’t speak perfect English is disgustingly ethnocentric.. just a few of his twisted viewpoints.
Heh, I wont go there any further.
But you were probably owed an explanation for that stuff in the other thread.

And sorry for ruining your thread please forgive me for posting once again in your thread. Maybe we can patch things up, I here by cordially invite you to participate in any thread started by me.

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kinney · Apr 2, 2004

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Re: That 'darko' guy brought you up here, not me.

Negative....

You posted the below comment (before my first post) trying to drag p4man into an argument where he would have to defend the un popular via. Looks to me like you were trying to entice p4man into an argument where you had a tactical advantage no wonder they call you the forum warrior.

Fair enough. You are correct.

But I was -not- the one to bring up OTHER forum issues. I've mentioned plenty of people in the past in references in my posts, and I see this one as no different (mentioning P4man).

And sorry for ruining your thread please forgive me for posting once again in your thread. Maybe we can patch things up, I here by cordially invite you to participate in any thread started by me.

If your serious, no hard feelings.
I'm getting a bit tired of posting recently. All I really want out of P4man is either for him to finish the 'War on Terror' debate with me, or concede defeat if hes not going to defend his POV.
All these side arguments arent helping achieve this as its my only goal.

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Crashman · Apr 2, 2004

Actually GM got sued for putting Olds motors in Cadilacs. That says a lot about Olds quality if Cadilac was willing to use them. They discontinued in 1989, nearly all V8 powered oldsmobiles had olds power until 1989, allong with a bunch of Pontiacs, some Buicks, and some Cadilacs. The 350CI displacement was discontinued in the late 70's, but the same design was used for the 307 unitl 89. The 350R could make about the same power as a 350 Chevy if both used similar aftermarket induction with stock heads. Chevy got a performance advantage from aftermarket heads, which weren't available for Olds until the early 90's.

Of course that's not ENTIRELY true, there was the Batton heads durring the 80's, but those were for BOAT racing.

I have a race engine based on the 350DX (diesel) block, gas rods, and .30 425 pistons. This short stroke engine makes 377ci, but the "C" casting heads got damaged durring machine work, and I can't afford Edelbrock heads to replace them (yet).

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phial · Apr 2, 2004

so lets assume that the 3.3ghz Prescott-A is comparable to a 3.0ghz P4-C due to hyperthreading and the other things that make the prescott generally slower clock for clock

i say "meh" to that.. and SSE3? yea that is kinda cool, but how many apps use SSE2 even now ?

honestly im asking, because I have no idea... but if its anything like how long it took SSE2 to catch on, youll probably be upgrading before its actually used in anythying 😉

honestly, id rather have a mobile-barton @ 2.4ghz on a nforce2 board. i try not to be biased, but the barton system would be overall cheaper, faster, and cooler (gaming especialy)

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scottchen · Apr 2, 2004

Ok, apologize if this' been said alrdy, too lz to read all the posts. Just reminder the D0 stepping's coming out around May 20th, however wait 'til end of June before purchasing one, just to make sure the old stock has been cleared out.

And Athlon64 has a 2800+ coming out, clocked at 1.8Ghz with 512k of L2 Cache. Priced very low, combining it with a cheap Nforce3 150 board with locked AGP could be an interesting OC combo.

-AMD Athlon64 3200+@2300mhz -GAK8N -3x512 Hynix PC3200 ram@192mhz 2.5-3-3-7 -Albatron 5900PV @ 509/1000 -SB Audigy -Adaptec 1210SA Raid -2x120G Seagate SATA150 7200.7 Raid0 -Enermax 460watt psu

kinney · Apr 2, 2004

honestly, id rather have a mobile-barton @ 2.4ghz on a nforce2 board. i try not to be biased, but the barton system would be overall cheaper, faster, and cooler (gaming especialy)

Yeah I'm having a hard time deciding.
I've been having PM convos with Paul on this as hes a system builder and knows more about real world experience with this stuff than I do..

I like the AMD stuff, but am reluctant to buy yet another AXP.. thats silly but still.. I'm ready to move on.
For me its either A64 (for around $200 with a more expensive motherboard, and with mobos I'm not incredibly excited about until the new NF3 is out), or the 2.4A for $140, great overclockability and cheap 865 boards ($40US refurb on newegg).
But no HT..
then again tho, with it being $140 I feel like upgrading sooner than usual when the Prescott gets a bit more mature.

I wouldnt object to a o/c'd MXP.. but I want a new sys for my NV40/radeon whatever one isnt a flop.

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kinney · Apr 2, 2004

Yeah, I wish the 2800+ would go lower than the $175 its on pricewatch for.
After seeing this 2.4A going for $140.. regardless of the performance difference, I'm just Too cheap...

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rcj187 · Apr 2, 2004

you people do realise that thios is just a marketing ploy by intel dont you???? they CANT produce high end scotties with being mocked by the industry for temperature problems so what doo they do.... yep thats right downclock the 3.0-3.4GHz parts andsell them as 2.4GHz get the enthusiasts happy let them overclock a little bit just so that they get to like the scotty despite its flaws and then when they finally sort out the heat problems maybe no one will remember them as space heaters but rather they will be remembered as overclocking gods.. its all about public image. by the way this forum is a mess... get some moderators already that will keep threads on track

P4Man · Apr 2, 2004

>i say "meh" to that.. and SSE3? yea that is kinda cool, but
>how many apps use SSE2 even now ?

Quite a few really, especially games -though it does not seem to have a huge impact on performance there- but media de/en-coding, image processing, and 3D rendering stuff is widely making use of SSE2 today, and it certainly helps performance there, sometimes very significantly.

SSE3 OTOH, is not even in the same league as SSE2 as a performance enhancer. I mean, SSE 2.01 would probably be a better name to describe it, from what I read, it seems more like a "bugfix" than anything else. Nothing to hold your breath for, even if application support would follow quickly (which probably won't happen, as the benefit just isn't there).

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phial · Apr 2, 2004

by the way this forum is a mess... get some moderators already that will keep threads on track

ive been saying that for over a year *sigh*

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phial · Apr 2, 2004

i thoguth SSE3 was those two new instructions... the ones where a loop could halt and wait until a needed piece of data is free/available allowing other instructions to use the cpu, instead of looping over and over again meanwhile blocking other instructions from continueing?

those sound pretty significant to me, but yea your right itsnot much of an improvement considering what SSE1/2 did

btw Kinney: A64's are supposed to have SSE3 soon 😉

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kinney · Apr 2, 2004

If the price is right, these marketing ploys work on me.

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kinney · Apr 3, 2004

I think your messed up a bit.
GM dropped all Pontiac,Oldsmobile, Buick( except 3.8 V6-which became 3800) & Cadillac engines (later they did Northstar/Aurora). I'm sure it did not happen all at once and they MAY have out Olds motors in other GM cars, but the only V8 motors left where BB & SB Chevrolets.
Who won out? Look under the hood of a NEW GTO- LS1 Chevrolet.

Its Olds man Vs. Chevy Man!!!!
Anyway, I'm just teasin ya

Its strange to meet other people who are devoted to their particular section of GM.
I was raised in a Chevy household.. but we had nearly all GM brands at one time or another.

Reason I knew they converted that Olds to diesel is because my mom used to drive a Delta 88 with that motor in it

Ah the good old days.
I'm not particularly a "chevy guy", I'm about GM period.
So much variety and their stuff is the best, if you ask me

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Crashman · Apr 3, 2004

Like I said, Olds 307 lived to 1989 where it was dropped completely. In fact they dropped it when they dropped the cars it came in. The main reason for dropping it was finances.

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P4Man · Apr 3, 2004

>i thoguth SSE3 was those two new instructions..

Its actually 13 new instructions, I think you are confusing with the 2 new instructions that relate to HT.

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Wait, now I DO see a reason to go Intel

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